posted October 30, 2009 06:02 PM         

Cancer 16’ his destinn
Cancer 18’ his Lara
Cancer 19’ his Amor
Cancer 19’ My draco surname
Cancer 22’ my valentine
Cancer 22’ his draco venus/mars midpoint
Cancer 23’ his juno

Cancer 0’ his vertex
Cancer 2’ my briede
Cancer 3’ my dr valentine
Cancer 7’ his briede

PLUTO/PERSEPHONE/PROSERPINA
His Persephone sextile my Pluto (4)
His draco Persephone conjunct my draco pluto (0)
His draco Proserpina opp my draco Pluto (3)
His Pluto square my Persephone (4)
His Pluto square my Proserpina (4)

5. VENUS/PLUTO
My venus trine his Pluto (0)
My Pluto square his draco venus (3)
My draco Pluto trine his venus (3)

ZEUS/HERA
His zeus quincunx my hera (2)
His draco hera square my draco zeus (2)

EROS/PSYCHE
His eros opp my draco psyche (5)
His psyche sextile my draco eros (5)
His draco eros quincunx my psyche (1)
His draco psyche square my eros (1)

MARS/VENUS
My venus sextile his mars (1)
My venus trine his draco mars (4)
My draco mars cj his venus (4)

OSIRIS/ISIS
My Osiris trine his draco isis (4)
my draco Osiris square his isis (3)

ADONIS/INNANEN
my Adonis trine his innanen (5)

his dr moon cj my Osiris (1)
his dr IC cj my moon/venus/tut (2)
his dr VENUS cj my APHRODITE/AC (1)
his dr JUNO cj my n VALENTINE (1)
his dr UNION/MARS cj my n IC (1)
his dr BRIEDE opp my n GROOM (3)
his dr valentine opp my sun/moon midpoint (0)
my dr sun/moon midpoint cj his n Karma (2)
my dr sun cj his n sun/moon midpoint (2)
my dr Persephone cj his n venus (0)
my dr LARA cj his n venus/mars midpoint (3)
my dr LARA cj his n Juno (1)
my dr Briede cj his n Sun (1)
my dr Valentine cj his n vertex (3)
my dr valentine cj his n briede (4)
my dr surname cj his n Destinn (3) LARA (1) Amor (0)
my dr Pluto cj his n valentine (0)
my dr GROOM cj his n GROOM (0)
my dr surname opp his n PETER (2)
my dr kaali opp his n Groom (1)
my dr Juno/Karma opp his sun/moon midpoint (1)
my dr vertex opp his n vertex (3)
my dr psyche opp his n venus (0)
my dr atlantis opp his n Union/James (1)
my dr destinn/Lucifer opp his n mars/isis/mercury (2)
my dr DNA opp his n Valentine (0)

My dr amor cj his dr groom (0)
My dr sun cj his dr moon (4)
My dr Aphrodite/Ascendant cj his dr karma (1)
My dr briede cj his dr sun/moon midpoint (3)
My dr surname ch his dr venus/mars midpoint (1)
My dr kaali cj his dr sun (3)
My dr Pluto cj his dr briede (2)
My dr juno cj his dr kaali/pluto (0)
My dr karma cj his dr kaali/Pluto (1)
My dr vertex cj his dr MC (3)
My dr siva cj his dr siva (2)
My dr sekhmet cj his dr Ascendant (1)
My dr PETER/moon/venus/venus mars midpoint/tutenchamun opp his dr Aphrodite (0)
My dr sun/moon midpoint opp his atlantis (1)
My dr sun opp his dr kaali/Pluto (1)
My dr Persephone opp his dr valentine (1)
My dr briede opp his dr Saturn (3)
My dr valentine opp his dr psyche (2)
My dr lust opp his dr Ascendant (1)
My dr juno/karma opp his dr moon (2)
My dr vertex opp his dr IC (3)
My dr Lucifer opp his dr venus (0)
Mu dr destinn opp his dr venus (2)
My dr sekhmet cj his dr Ascendant (1)
My dr groom opp his dr union (4)
My dr DNA opp his dr briede (2) DNA (4)
My dr Saturn opp his (my) surname (1)

posted October 30, 2009 06:04 PM         

jeez.... !

and the pairings... zzzzzz

IQ, this is something special and it's confirming it in the charts.

posted October 31, 2009 04:57 AM         

T union 13’ libra
Mr pr eros 14’ libra
Composite destinn 15’ libra
My pr NN 16’ aries
My n NN 18’ aries
My n Saturn 18’ aries
My pr moon 19’ libra
His n Saturn 20’ libra
My n moon 21’ aries
My n venus 21’ aries
His n Neptune 21’ libra

T lust 2’ aquarius
his pr NN 3’ aquarius
My pr valentine 4’ leo
his n NN 4’
his pr sun 5’ leo
his n Aphrodite 6’ leo

his n eros 23’ aries
Composite venus 24’ aries
his pr karma 25’ aries
my n amor 25’ aries
Composite lust 26’ libra
T venus 27’ libra
his n venus 28’ aries
my pr juno 28’ libra
my pr karma 29’ libra

my pr mars 20’ gemini
his n mars 22’ gemini
my n AC 22’ Gemini
his pr venus 23’ Gemini
T moon 25’ Gemini

His pr cupid 8’ aquarius
T mars 9’ leo
his pr destinn 11’ leo
Composite Valentine 11’ Leo
his pr vertex 13’ leo
T psyche 13’ aquarius

T valentine 14’ virgo
His pr moon 15’ pisces
his pr valentine 17’ virgo
Composite moon 19’ pisces
my n Pluto 20’ virgo

His n destinn 16’ cancer
Composite Saturn 19’ Capricorn
His n amor 19’ cancer
His n Chiron 20’ Capricorn
Composite karma 21’ Capricorn
his pr union 21’ cancer
My n valentine 22’ cancer
His n lust 22’ Capricorn
T NN 23’ cancer

Composite sun 24’ Taurus
My pr Neptune 24’ scorpio
His n juno 27’ taurus

T psyche 13’ aquarius
My pr lust 15’ leo
Composite Juno 16’ leo
His n moon 18’ aquarius
T destinn 20’ leo
His n Pluto 21’ leo
T Chiron 21’ aquarius
His pr Pluto 22’ leo

His n sun 12’ Gemini
My pr sun 16’ Gemini
T Aphrodite 16’ Gemini
My pr venus 12’ Gemini
My pr union 17’ Gemini
His n union 19’ Gemini

T karma 16’ scorpio
His n Ascendant 17’ scorpio
T cupid 20’ scorpio
My n mars 21’ Taurus
My n union 22’ Taurus

posted October 31, 2009 06:12 AM         

have you read Unmoved`s thread and list?
I think it will prove to be an invaluable tool to access relationship charts and not get lost in the data and forget that different charts answer different questions.

I am sorry, maybe it is just that I am in a hurry, but the intermixing of Draco`s and tropical is confusing right now.

What is your question?
Potential attraction? How a relationship with him will or could be?
Which past lifelines you shared?
Where you are standing NOW?
What the connection between your soul is?
Physical level? Spiritual level?

Well, having had a short glance at your list, I personally am not too enthusiastic about the soulmate pairings. The orbs (especially for the tropical aspects) are pretty wide, and it seems to predominantly be a past life theme (as you posted so much of DRaco`s).

But I guess that is just, because I find this "intermixing" a bit confusing right now.

I wonder something else.
When you met and got together (you are a couple, right?).

Were there transiting planet, that were
conjunct / opposite

your natal and progressed tropical planets / angles / asteroids
his natal or progressed tropical planets / angles / asteroids
the natal or progressed composite planets / angels / asteroids?

And then, in a second step,
did these same transiting planets hit
your Draco natal and progressed
his Draco natal and progressed
Draco natal and progressed composite?

The orb has to be pretty narrow though, as we are looking at a particular timeframe. I think at most 2 - 3 degrees. I mean that the transiting planet must be conjunct / opposing the natal, progressed, composite planets with about 1 degree to each side.

Example:

Transit Neptune: 24 Aquarius
natal Venus: 23 Aquarius
composite Sun: 25 Aquarius.

EDIT:
Having said all of that, nothing (neither astrologically or otherwise) can take away the deeply felt knowledge you have inside.

posted October 31, 2009 10:28 AM         

I have met a man and we have the same as you to but in natalsynastry. We have to much aspect to each other in natal synastry but not in draconic.

I think he been scared. Suddenly he is out of my life.. We don't going to work togheter anymore. The last time I saw him, 6 months ago.

I have contact him with mail two times. He don't answer.

I hope not your man be scared and break off.

posted October 31, 2009 05:30 PM         

I just thought it would be interesting to analyse - none of it makes any difference to how i feel about this man. I know that we will get married and live happily ever after

I just saw some aspects and thought it would be fun to pick a part our synastry as a case study. If i'm totally wrong then please just tell me. That is all...

I looked at those transits you gave me and there are SO many of them.

I will sort them out and list them below - some of them look extremely fated and the egyptian connections look AMAZING!

posted October 31, 2009 05:47 PM         

Just tropical, no draco.

T IC 14’ aries
My n Osiris 14’ aries
My prog vertex 14’ libra
My prog eros 14’ libra
His sun/moon midpoint 15’ aries
COMPOSITE DESTINN 15’ libra

T SUN 16’ libra
My pr NN 16’ aries
His sun/moon midpoint 15’ aries
COMPOSITE DESTINN 15’ libra

T MOON 21’ Gemini
My pr MARS 20’ Gemini
My n Aphrodite 20’ Gemini
My n AC 22’ Gemini
His n mars/isis 22’ Gemini
His pr venus 23’ Gemini
COMPOSITE TUTENCHAMUN 23’ Gemini
PR COMPOSITE VENUS 23’ gemini

T VENUS 23’ virgo
His n siva 23’ virgo
My n Pluto 20’ virgo

T MARS 26’ cancer
My pr AC 26’ cancer
His n sekhmet 26’ cancer

T APHRODITE 18’ Gemini
My pr NERFERTITI 18’ Sagittarius
My pr SUN 16’ Gemini
My pr UNION 17’ Gemini
My n LARA/UPOPIA 17’ Gemini
His n union 19’ Gemini

T Nephthys 5’ Cancer
My pr APHRODITE 4’ cancer
My pr destinn 6’ Capricorn
My n briede 3’ cancer
His n briede 7’ cancer
My n nephthys 8’ Capricorn
His pr AC 3’ Capricorn
PR COMPOSITE ASCENDANT 3’ capricorn

T VERTEX 28’ cancer
My pr cupid 29’ cancer
My n Ishtar 28’ Capricorn
His pr mars 29’ cancer
PR COMPOSITE MARS 29’ cancer

T SATURN 27’ virgo
My pr IC 29’ virgo
My n boda 29’ virgo
My n thisbe 29’ pisces
COMPOSITE NEFERTITI 27’ pisces

T KARMA 6’ scorpio
T CUPID 8’ scorpio
My pr TUTENCHAMUN 7’ Taurus (LOL!!!!)
My n sun 6’ Taurus
My n venus/mars midpoint 6’ taurus
My n juno 5’ scorpio
My n karma 6’ scorpio

T NERFERTITI 11’ scorpio
My pr psyche 10’ scorpio
My pr amor 10’ Taurus
My n telephus/vertex 9’ scorpio
My n horus 12’ Taurus
His pr psyche 10’ scorpio
His n psyche 10’ scorpio
His n hera 9’ Taurus
PR COMPOSITE PSYCHE 10’ scorpio

T AMOR 10’ Sagittarius
My pr vertex 12’ Sagittarius
My pr venus 11’ Gemini
My n siva 9’ Sagittarius
His n sun 12’ gemini

T ASCENDANT 13’ Sagittarius
My pr vertex 12’ Sagittarius
My pr venus 11’ Gemini
His n sun 12’ gemini

T NN 26’ Capricorn
My pr AC 26’ cancer
My n Ishtar 28’ Capricorn
His n sekhmet 26’ cancer

T PLUTO 0’ Capricorn
His pr juno 0’ cancer
His pr AC 3’ Capricorn
His n vertex 0’ cancer
PR COMPOSITE JUNO 0’ cancer

T LUST 29’ Capricorn
His pr mars 29’ cancer
PR COMPOSITE MARS 29’ cancer

T psyche 8’ aquarius
His pr cupid 8’ aquarius
His pr nerfertiti 8’ leo
His n Aphrodite 6’ leo
PR COMPOSITE NERFERTITI 8’ leo
PR COMPOSITE CUPID 8’ aquarius

T eros 26’ aquarius
His pr Aphrodite 24’ leo
His n IC 27’ aquarius
His n TUTENCHAMUN 25’ leo

posted October 31, 2009 06:19 PM         

ummm is this really cool or is it REALLY COOL please?!!

His N pluto 21' leo
draco progressed composite venus 20' leo

my n venus 21' aries
draco progressed composite pluto 19' libra

posted November 01, 2009 09:19 AM         

Disclaimer:
Only you can know what you feel, and if you feel this man is your soulmate / twinsoul, I wish you all happiness in the world.

Personally I think that most times when we fall into love, when we are REALLY into someone, then we might feel as if we have found a soulmate. This could be true, or just be an expression of the hormones dancing and the heart leaping with joy and the romance in the air, and after a time we weill have to realize, that it wasn`t the ONE after all.

I am not saying that this is the case with you, as noone can ever judge anyone else`s feelings, but I have read so often about soulmates / twinsouls now, in which the participants only weeks later made a 180° turn, that I am getting a bit suspicious, if someone announces to have met their twinsoul on first or second or third meeting.

BUT of course it could be true in your case. As I said, I don΄t know. Only you will.
And I really really hope that you will be right and you will marry and be living happily together and growing spiritually and happily together.

That is my disclaimer, and it is one thing, but it doesn`t have to do with astrology.

"r you DD and to be honest, i only posted all this stuff for reference on twin souls or CLOS soul mates..."
I don΄t think you can see the twin-soul / soulmate-connection by Draconic aspects alone. It is like looking at a piece, a huge pieced, admittedly, of the puzzle, and concluding to the whole picture from there.

I really t hink we have to check the WHOLE synastry, and for the NOW and the PRESENT connections, the tropicals are still the deciding factor, even though the Draconics would imply the existence of a karmic, past life or spiritual connection.
But let`s say you have awesome Draco synastry and weak tropical synastry:

I am quoting IQ here:

"High Draconic Low Tropical: You both have hit it off very well in the past lifeline. You can do it again but if it does not work out, dont bother as the spiritual requirements and karmic debts may have already been paid. Maybe your Higher Selves want you to seek another incarnation or version of yourselves in this lifeline." http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum24/HTML/001156-4.html

"I just thought it would be interesting to analyse"
I am curiously waiting for the analysis.

I am a bit torn concerning this. On the one hand I think it is valuable to do an analysis like this to understand or help others understand how it i s being done.

On the other hand I am a bit afraid that people who read this will jump to conclusions that they are true love soulmates, just because her Draco Isis sextiles his Draco Osiris with 4 degrees.

As a matter of fact I have come across several synastries (of mine), in which there were tight Eros-Psyche-aspects, tight Isis-Osiris-aspects and yet they clearly weren`t soulmates of mine, or at least not twinflames.

On the other hand, I would expect these aspects in twinflame-relationships.

Or maybe what they really say is what kind of "archetpyical myth" is being emphasised in a connection?
Like in the case of Isis and Osiris, first of all pointing towards a likely Egyptian lifeline, and secondly indicating that there is a rather mature connection, healing, persistent (she never gave up on finding him), maybe there are delays until people really get together, and at least one of them may be ready to sacrifice a lot for the loved one.

Maybe it is not so much about determining: He / she is my SOULMATE / TWINOUL, but about the kind of interaction there is.

posted November 01, 2009 09:36 AM         

"
T SUN 16’ libra
My pr NN 16’ "aries
His sun/moon midpoint 15’ aries
COMPOSITE DESTINN 15’ libra"
This one definitely is very very significant.
I think the transiting Sun is always special, as she illuminates things, or brings them to life.

in your case your pr NN and his Sun/Moon-mdipoint and the composite Destinn.
So your lifepath at that moment in time (as it is your progressed NN) triggers his ideas / feelings about a soulmate or what he needs in a partnership(Sun/Moon-mp), and he might feel fulfillment.
And this is part of your union`s Destiny.

Of course your NN will progress further and leave that aspect again, BUT his Sun-Moon-mp will always be conjunct composite Destinn. I think this means the relationship with you will bring him into touch with what he really needs to be fulfilled.

"T MARS 26’ cancer
My pr AC 26’ cancer
His n sekhmet 26’ cancer"
Seems like you triggered a very potent, warriorlike, erotic picture inside him. But again, this was only possible in this moment, as your ASC will leave this conjunction again. But then sometimes only one moment is needed to change a life.

"T KARMA 6’ scorpio
T CUPID 8’ scorpio
My pr TUTENCHAMUN 7’ Taurus (LOL!!!!)
My n sun 6’ Taurus
My n venus/mars midpoint 6’ taurus
My n juno 5’ scorpio
My n karma 6’ scorpio"
I think that makes much sense to you, doesn`t it?
BUT the interesting thing is that there seem to be no connections to his charts or the composite, so it is something about the timequality, that brings you in touch with your Egpyptian life again.

"T NN 26’ Capricorn
My pr AC 26’ cancer
My n Ishtar 28’ Capricorn
His n sekhmet 26’ cancer"
This fits into what I said before. You two seem to evoke very potent pictures in you. The image of strong women, who know what they want.

" PLUTO 0’ Capricorn
His pr juno 0’ cancer
His pr AC 3’ Capricorn
His n vertex 0’ cancer
PR COMPOSITE JUNO 0’ cancer"
His pr ASC is out of the range I think, but again it seems that this relationship could be very very meaningful for him.
I am just wondering where are your planets?

"T LUST 29’ Capricorn
His pr mars 29’ cancer"PR COMPOSITE MARS 29’ cancer"
LOL NO I don`t interprete that. I am an INNOCENT girl.
At least he would probably enjoy the sexual side of your union very much and it would energize him.

"T psyche 8’ aquarius
His pr cupid 8’ aquarius
His pr nerfertiti 8’ leo
His n Aphrodite 6’ leo
PR COMPOSITE NERFERTITI 8’ leo
PR COMPOSITE CUPID 8’ aquarius"
A Psyceh-Cupido- aspect, very nice.

Well, I think the focal aspect is
T SUN 16’ libra
My pr NN 16’ "aries
His sun/moon midpoint 15’ aries
COMPOSITE DESTINN 15’ libra"

Very strong solar-lunar symbolism. Check the Sabians I`d suggest.

posted November 01, 2009 09:41 AM         

my n venus 21' aries
draco progressed composite pluto 19' libra"

Yes, I think that is pretty awesome, strongly transformative in a spiritual sense. I am not sure how it would translate to the physical manifestations though, as it is related to the Draco composite.
It surely brings past life-things with it, which are transforming both of you in a very "touchable" sense.

posted November 01, 2009 11:18 PM         

quote:

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Maybe it is not so much about determining: He / she is my SOULMATE / TWINOUL, but about the kind of interaction there is.

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Yes! I think evaluating this in a deep way while looking at many different real-life synastry case studies (especially those where one or both of the people in the relationship can participate) will help us use synastry most accurately, and can be very interesting.

But then I believe each relationship is unique and each one we feel is important, is important--just that none of that is fated by our asteroid conjunctions. But even if I did think it was fated by our asteroid conjunctions, I'd still be more interested in what plays out how.

I mean, imagining for the moment that spectacular Egyptian asteroid conjunctions mean some deep connection---the end result of that is just that you live together and bump uglies? You don't team up in order to start a program that will end up saving over 7 million children from starvation, or collaborate on the most beautiful opera ever written?

I guess if I DID believe in predestiny, I would want the "meaning" of everything to be much more lastingly transformational for the whole planet. It's not exactly rocket science or something momentously mystical to hook up with someone we're attracted to, except for us as individuals. It's lovely and feels great, and is one of the best parts of life, but maybe it shouldn't be frothed up into something it isn't.

If you are in love, that is FANTASTIC! It's not the first time on LindaLand that you've reported momentous, destined mutual love (didn't IQ say that some totally other guy was your SoulMate? or am I confusing you with another Knowflake)--and that is also FANTASTIC. It's great you get to feel that so often, when for some people it is very rare to even feel an attraction, let alone something so deep.

But I do think tight tropical aspects are most revealing about real relationships, and the kind of wide-orbed asteroid conjunctions you're listing here (and in relation to the other men you listed them about in the past) don't strike me as all that unique. I have those sorts of aspects with with people I am fond of, but not all that close to or intimate with.

That's not to say at all that you don't have a deep connection with this guy--if you feel it, you probably do...although as you know I'm a skeptic about long-distance and not "in person" relationships, and relationships where the people have only known each other a short time...they are to be delighted in and enjoyed! But outside of cultures with arranged marriages, I don't think we can tell the shape the whole future of that relationship will take before we've lived it.

quote:

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I have read so often about soulmates / twinsouls now, in which the participants only weeks later made a 180° turn, that I am getting a bit suspicious, if someone announces to have met their twinsoul on first or second or third meeting.

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But allegedly, if you believe in Twin Souls, you can tell from the synastry--right? Which is why, while I love the ideas of true love and falling in love and love at first sight, and believe in them, I think the "twin soul" idea is pernicious. I think it's much more astrologically rich and interesting to determine "the kind of interaction there is."

posted November 02, 2009 05:24 AM         

I agree with your theory totally!!

Some people on here will remember me posting synastry with the dad's of my kids - in those synastries we had incredible conjunctions, yet the relationships were very painful and frustrating.

This is so different. This is like coming home. I can share my deepest darkest secrets with this man and i know 100% he is not going to disrespect me. I feel totally safe and positive toward him and instead of feeling like "i've known him forever", i have the feeling that we were never 'not' connected spiritually, it's only the flesh and bones i'm meeting now.

We are the same soul in different bodies. Everything about us is similar or synchronized from numerology to our favourite things in life that draw our souls.

I was born about 5-6 weeks early. If i'd been born at full term it would have been in the week he was born. We both share such similar numerology. All his numerology totals are the same as my birth force number!

The list goes on and on.

posted November 02, 2009 11:42 AM         

"But then I believe each relationship is unique and each one we feel is important, is important--just that none of that is fated by our asteroid conjunctions. But even if I did think it was fated by our asteroid conjunctions, I'd still be more interested in what plays out how."

I agree. Yet I don΄t like this expression that astrology "fates" something. It only shows a certain connection, or potential dynamic. But it doesn`t really dooms anything.

It is like the clock does not MAKE the time, but just ILLUSTRATES it. That is the way I see astrology, too.

"But I do think tight tropical aspects are most revealing about real relationships"
I agree.

"I have those sorts of aspects with with people I am fond of, but not all that close to or intimate with."
Well, there is some connection then after all, just not an intimate one.

Anything I think we should not isolate anything in astrology, not even asteroid aspects. We have to see the whole frame. The tight tropical synastry, how the asteroid conjunction fits int here and so on.

For example: Let`s say two synastries show an exact Isis-Osiris-conjunction.

In synastry A it is squaring Saturn and opposing Chiron.

In synastry B it is also conjunct Sun of one partner and trine Venus of the other.

I think the Isis-Osiris-connection will play out in different ways in these cases.

On the other hand, an analysis has to start somewhere, and maybe it starts with single aspects. But I feel uncomfortable with it, as if I am looking just as a part of the whole and ignoring other major parts.

"But allegedly, if you believe in Twin Souls, you can tell from the synastry--right?"
Maybe. I don`t know. I am inclined to say: Yes, I would want to find it in synastry.
But I am actually not sure it is to be found there.

On the other hand, isn`t it much more important to see WHAT kind of connection is there potentially between two people (no matter if soulmates, twinflames, karmamates or earthmates?)?

But I am approaching this from y understanding of soulmates; that you have several ones in your life, and that you will not necessarily get involved romantically with all of them.
So the term soulmate does NOT equal romantic relationship for me. So it becomes important for me again, to analyze the synastry more closely for the dynamic that it indicates.

"I think it's much more astrologically rich and interesting to determine "the kind of interaction there is.""
Yes.

posted November 02, 2009 03:02 PM         

quote:

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On the other hand, isn`t it much more important to see WHAT kind of connection is there potentially between two people (no matter if soulmates, twinflames, karmamates or earthmates?)? But I am approaching this from y understanding of soulmates; that you have several ones in your life, and that you will not necessarily get involved romantically with all of them.

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I posted about this on another thread, and will re-post it here, because I feel like i was FINALLY able to articulate what bugs me about this:

quote:

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let's say you currently love someone and choose to spend your time with them in this life....but they currently DO NOT choose to spend their time with you.

I think saying, "Maybe it was our Soul Path to be connected and together in Another Lifetime instead of now...." or "We are Twin Flames but we turned against each other" is kind of a psychic exploitation/invasion of that person.

It takes away his or her power to say "NO, I DON'T WANT YOU" and to mean it...or even to feel neutral about you and bow away gracefully. It is you deciding that no matter what that person thinks, feels, or says, or how that person acts, you have some special ability to see the fate of his soul, either through asteroid conjunctions or some other way.

That's why even if it's kept secret and never ladders into stalking, this kind of thinking reminds me of delusional disorders like Erotomanic Delusional Disorder, where the disordered person believes that the object of his/her fixation cannot communicate his/her love, but instead is sending signs.

I just don't like the whole business. I feel like even when we don't know about it, if some creep is fixated on us we can pick it up unconsciously and we experience its weight. And this "Twin Flame" idea encourages disordered and delusional thinking.

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I think this applies EVEN IF you believe a "Soul Mate" is not necessarily a romantic connection, and EVEN IF you believe a "Soul Mate" will not necessarily be involved with you in any way in "this lifetime."

Creepy stalkers decide we have a special connection with them, different from the connection that every human has with every other human, even if there is no relationship and we badly want to be able to say NO to them...and/or we are strangers. And I do think it's a psychic invasion of the obsessional object/love object/object of fixation...and it also fuels the projection and delusional thinking of the fixating person, allowing them to fantasize that their fixation has played out or will play out as a mutual relationship someway, somehow, in some other life and other world. When truly, healing for the delusional/fixated person can only begin when he/she loses all the fantasized "signs" of connection and lives out the relationship (or lack of it) in pure, raw reality.

If we are fixated on someone, it doesn't tell us that we have a special connection with them. It tells us we are fixated on them. In this life.

posted November 02, 2009 03:04 PM         

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It is like the clock does not MAKE the time, but just ILLUSTRATES it. That is the way I see astrology, too.

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posted November 02, 2009 03:11 PM         

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On the other hand, isn`t it much more important to see WHAT kind of connection is there potentially between two people (no matter if soulmates, twinflames, karmamates or earthmates?)?

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I've been thinking a lot about this lately, and I actually think that--because of its mathematical nature (my Mars WILL fall in your natal chart and vice versa even if we never meet...I don't think that's fate or some deep commentary on the "soul), it's just math)--synastry does not show a potential connection between two people. Because, on average two people will never meet.

I think that synastry can show the potential dynamics of a relationship between two people who are involved, after the astrologer has taken stock of the actual relationship (mother/son, rockstar/groupie, couple who are obsessed with each other who 'met' on the internet but have never laid eyes on each other, childhood friends who had a falling out, etc)....

posted November 02, 2009 03:57 PM         

Im curious about him....how does he feel about your connection?
Is he "aware" of the magnitude of the Energy you share?

How far along is he spiritually?

Im also curious about his Mars/Isis conjunction...how does he display his feminine energy?

You are coming together to accomplish something very important, especially in light of the time period we live in. I sense some connection between him and your ability to use that Crystal you have, so keep your eyes and ears open. Clues should be all around you right now.

posted November 02, 2009 04:14 PM         

He is more spiritual and evolved than me... !
He is totally aware, in fact he was the one to say i was his twin soul lol
which got me looking at synastry. He has done 40 years of work on himself and reached Nirvana.

Thank you
The wonderful thing is that he is not running, in fact he's sticking... he's extremely happy and says he's been looking for me all his life.

Yes, you could be right.. the crystal could be for both of us

xxx

posted November 02, 2009 04:16 PM         

yet within a certain context the synastry will show the potential dynamic between two people.
And no matter in what context, the synastry will show a potential dynamic between two people and how they potentially affected each other, IF they met.

The symbolism will be valid for any connection, no matter what relationship it is based on, BUT there is a range of expression for every aspect, configuration, planet.
And probably this expression will vary dependent on the nature of the relationship.

Meaning, that a Venus-mars-aspect will always be a Venus-Mars-aspect; but of course it will be different if you share it with your busdriver (it could be expressed as a certain anger or getting upset easily), a coworker (you could do tremendous creative work together) or a lover (it could be pretty passionate).