posted November 04, 2009 03:05 AM         

I wasn`t "applauding" this particular quote, but a general progression I noticed in Diandra.
I don`t really like that quote myself, as it indeed sounds judgemental, which I have found to be highly unlikely for Diandra.
Anyway we all judge of course; but I think you and I have stated our opinions on these matters, and we came to different conclusions (not in all regards, just in some).
And in the end I think Diandra is right, noone can really judge another person, as we are not walking in their shoes.

What I don`t like is the repeated and unasked judgemantalism. I understand (or at least that is how it comes across tome) that you consider it your mission to sound a "wake up call". It is your right, just as it is my right to say: No thanks. I don`t need one, I am already awake.

That is all.

posted November 04, 2009 03:19 AM         

How many girls would have been crazy about Mark Hamill in early 1980s ?
Today, if there be a dedicated fan who has the Astrological Placements right meets him, I would think he would share a very strong friendship at least. The same fan may ahve been delusional 25 years ago.

Certain relationships need the right time as well.

posted November 04, 2009 03:58 AM         

It bothers me immensely sometimes that people are willing to throw away their intuition, to not even pay attention to it, because of astrology. That's just lazy. It's like the microwavable TV dinner version of life. I realize we're all used to the internet and tv dinners and instant online this and that - but to have that be a way of life in love as well, to use astrology that way... no, I'm sorry. I think it's silly, and it's dangerous as well.

posted November 04, 2009 04:13 AM         

I have seen many marriages break down, marriages that were astrologically untenable, any good western astrologer would have advised against the marriage.
And the offspring from these relationships get hurt the most.

How many cases do you know where a girl got
together with a guy after an indepth astrological check, and then suffered 3rd degree abuse?
Whereas you can find you any number of cases where there were victims of abuse and they did not check for abuse aspects astrologically.

What disturbs me is that the application of the most powerful spiritual yet mathematically precise science is being blamed for 1 or 2 delusional cases whereas hundreds and hundred of millions of couples need astrological counselling RIGHT NOW to increase happiness in their life.

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Soul Mate Love Calculator

posted November 04, 2009 04:20 AM         

Is it? In some cases, yeah. But not always.

"How many such people do you know in real life who are chasing a non-existent relationship because of a very strong synastry?"

I can't count the times - I see it often actually. On LL. On other boards. Even when people come and get readings sometimes... it's because they discount what they know in their gut to be true or not true. A reading isn't always for that, but people can become addicted to getting tarot readings for instance, just as they can addicted to astrology... to find some nuance or reassurance that something will work, even if deep down in their souls they know it won't. Or will.

Ultimately though, I have agree with you - and I think astrology can be a wonderful thing to use with our own intuition, but I honestly feel people can be lazy... and I daresay sometimes things like astrology can be USED to even avoid intimacy.

posted November 04, 2009 04:31 AM         

I second that.

I also want to second what IQ wrote.I don`t think that it is too common, that fans "stick" with a certain actor / singer / artist for 20 years plus, and all the time remaining respectful and just basically appreciative.

posted November 04, 2009 11:16 AM         

Thank you.you re right:i was a shy person,who needed to know how to assert myself.many times i didnt defended something,cause i didnt wanted to hurt anyone´s feelings.

Now,although i still try to speak the best i can,without hurting people...i see that it doenst work sometimes...:P

that quote was not a judgement.and for someone who like me,said that we dont have the right to judge,clearly i wouldnt be the one doing that after!how could i?

i have a fair degree of sense of justice that is why i came and stated what i really feel.i didnt wanted to sound judgmental and i still know that what i said it is my truth.but it was misunderstood really...

LUCIA

one time we did a thread about posting your chart with famous ones...it was a funny thread where we posted about our aspects.something out of curiosity.

now i understand why you are being judgmental-you had a friend harmed by a fan.bBUT thtat cannot really be the basis for you to come here and judge ones who post about famous people who yeh..dont actually meet probably?
but it is like IQ says: there are several cases of famous people who fell in love and are happy with someone who was a fan for example.probably they have a strong conection,astrologically speaking

what does that says to you?that we are all the same really.
today I am famous but in the past and in the future i wont Be! we are real people who wants to fall in love and he happy!

and how do you know that anybody here is FIXATED on someone?the one who harmed your friend might have been someone who needed help.who was sick. but you cannot compare anyone here, with that unfortunate case. ( what the person ASTROLOGICALLY FIXATED??)
THAT Judgemtal behaviour is unfair for all who are here with good intentions.

you know what?i myself am an idealist and i am very happy to be like i am.i wouldnt have chosed to be different if i could.
WHY?
because what makes us different from other species is that we have this capability to dream,to have Faith and TO have HOPE...to use our imagination.eISNTEIN that ascended Soul,already knew :

"“Imagination is more important than knowledge. For knowledge is limited to all we now know and understand, while imagination embraces the entire world, and all there ever will be to know and understand.”

posted November 04, 2009 11:17 AM         

do you see the diference?that quote i said was not judgmental,it is my truth.cause in this particular time i have discovered that i lived life enjoyed life through that awful pattern behaviours of the EGO:criticizing,judging,harming through words and actions,taking things into a personal level...etc etc

our SOUL is vast beautiful and infinite.it is LOVE in its essence really.all that Ego is not.

So.now?i choosed to live by love.and if that makes me LOOK SILLY or idealist?I DONT CARE! i live by my own truth and i know that those who judge are not really talking about others,but infact,are (uncounsciously) talking about themselves.

because the Soul is not simple and it is not small....i am saying that your soul had choosed in this moment to be in a certain level.this is not being judgmental.it is the truth.
if people would stop to really listen to their inner voice...they would simply start to hear who they are,and not who they think they are.and they would immediately stop judging others.cause we are all mirrors of one´s another.
im not judgmental when i said that your soul is not ready to know what i am trying to say...it is by the way you talk that i see that.youre still too much trapped in your own Ego,in wat you think life is,and you tend to put a labell on people and situations.you tend to identify things you dont really understand,by comparing them to your personal experiences...

some people here are indeed at a far more advanced level.and im not one of them,im simply evolving at my own rythim.DD and IQ for example...they are souls who chosed to know in this life how much great their souls are and were.they know some of their past actions,and they know who were with them in that path. what if one of them met their SM or TWIN then?what if that person is the soul who is today reincarnated in Jude law for example?
does that make them crazy to think that a famous person is their twin/SM?of course not!!!and why?

because...at a SOUL LEVEL each one of us have that soul family and we really recognize them.famous or not,assassin or priest,it doenst matter....we are all the same and there arent any challenges to LIVING LOVE,unless the ones created by our fears/Mind/Ego.

posted November 04, 2009 11:32 AM         

if one looks at astrology for a sinastry,usually intuition appeared first.that is true for the majority of cases.

if someone is asking to see if someone is cheatting on them they already know...astrology or tarot is just the ultimate thing they need to proof their intuition.

i dont believe that people look at astrology to know if there is love or not.they look at it to reassure them something which they already know in their hearts.

people wont continue in an abusive relationhip if they discover that the sun is cj venus!but a couple who loves each other and who might have passed though hard times,might very well stick together even strongly if they see,astrologically,that they were together many times around,till the life they finally are able to live love blissfully.

to me astrology has helped me to see some of my own patterns,and helped me to discover the best in me and in others.helped me to be more compassionate,understanding and tolerant torwards others.

posted November 04, 2009 01:23 PM         

quote:

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For one delusional case, there is a success story too.
Many Sports SuperStars in India have married a dedicated fan when they could have had the model or siren of choice.

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IQ, it's not obsessive fandom that's the delusion, although it can certainly be a red flag...and it's not about fame or not.

Delusional disordered thinking is characterized by the fixated person perceiving MUTUALITY or fatedness in the relationship based on "Signs" and secret signals...for example, in one case (that laddered into violence), a woman thought that she and her neighbor were "meant to be" because they had the same initials. She believed that when he wore a certain color shirt, it was a Sign to her showing her their special love that he could not express.

The delusional part is a WAY OF THINKING--considering the relationship not based on the mutual interaction between the two of you and your time together, but on "signs" that are quite divorced from the other person's actual, real-life thoughts, feelings, and behavior.

When you are focused on the fantasy of something you're not really experiencing, such as your Deep Connection to Johnny Depp (when you don't know him) as indicated by your draco Osiris conjunct his tropical Weenie....or, for that matter, your Mars-Venus conjunction with your colleague who is very happy with his girlfriend or your professor who doesn't talk to you....

Then you are NOT really living in the moment and fully embracing life, and you are NOT connected with your intuition and your soul. You are constructing a set a fantasies that distance you from lived experience.

And it is that full embrace of lived experience that lets us all truly express the soul connection we all have with every other being.

It's not about the fame thing, although that's a warning sign (you don't see a lot of people around here trying to itemize their asteroid conjunctions with frogs, lizards, or even friends--it's mostly with the objects of some opposite-sex romantic fixation)...it's about conducting a relationship in your head.

Many delusionally-fixated people don't even WANT TO or have the courage to actually interact with the object of their fixation, at first...they will do things like exchange a very brief hello, then elevate the moment into a profound exchange in their head (failing to honor that it might not have been profound for that other person), and obsess over that moment for months. Or they will arrange to go see the person (to be at her/his place of work, for example) without even speaking to him/her. That is an early stage, that can ladder later into increasingly creepy behavior and thought patterns.

quote:

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noone can really judge another person, as we are not walking in their shoes.

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Eh...this sounds very lovely, DD, but it can be taken too far. I agree with the idea to be openhearted, treat others with compassion, and allow that each of us has unique inner experiences.

But if someone makes herself vomit up food after every meal, we know her eating is disordered and that she is harming herself and engaging in behavior consistent with bulimia. If someone has decided Johnny Depp (a stranger to her in real life) is her "soul mate" and inflating coincidences into Signs of their mutual connection to fuel the fantasy in her head, we know that she is engaging behavior consistent with disordered fixations. If someone washes his hands 70 times a day, we know it's not just that he likes to be clean and "it is not ours to Judge, it is his special Path" (with weird capitalizations)...we know it's an obsessive-compulsive behavior that is harming him psychologically and emotionally.

I mentioned on another thread that I think the way some of this type of thinking is encouraged on Lindaland is similar to pre-anorexic disordered thinking being encouraged on those pro-anorexia websites. I think we CAN see disorder when someone is vomiting after meals, itemizing evidence of their deep, special "soul connection" with Johnny Depp or Jude Law when they don't have a relationship with him in real life, or washing their hands 70 times a day.

I do feel that, intuitively, people are always aways aware that there's something funky and "off" rather than pure, expansive, and beautiful. At some level, if you're clinging desperately to a fantasy about Johnny Depp or pretending you ate when you didn't or washing your sink 8 times, you KNOW. But having someone else notice can be the first step towards getting much-needed help.

Annnyyywayyy, DD, I appreciate YOUR ability to avoid stooping to being judgy! I take your point. And, MVM, I appreciate your ability to make points in a way that's both kind and clear.

And, now I am REALLY going to get off of Lara's thread!

posted November 04, 2009 02:13 PM         

I am happy for you to chat on here as it's interesting.

posted November 04, 2009 02:48 PM         

1. Everyone, please don`t overestimate my ability to refrain from being judgemental.

I am just as judgemental as any other person here; I just try to keep it in check, because I don`t want to be judged in a judgemental way, so I try to not judge others. But of course I have my own opinions on reading here.
I also was a bit judgemental in my first posts on Lara`s Twinsoul here, and I am sorry for this.

2. What Lucia described - repeatedly- as symptoms of delusional disorder, really can lead into such a disorder. I am convinced of this.

BUT not everyone who is attending concerts / theatre plays, reading interviews, talking (or not talking) to actors / artists will develop a disorder like this or even become violent. It is sad enough that some "fans" take this route, but it is also sad to project the fear of this onto basically all fans.

On the issue of seeing patterns and signs, it strongly depends on ones own perspective.
There are a lot of people out there who would think that basically EVERY SINGLE PERSON posting on LL is highly delusional and needs treatment.

Astrology is my language, it always has been. Astrology consists of patterns. So it is not too surprising that I of course see patterns and synchronicities in the rest of my life, too.

I see a lot of patterns, repeated display of star-positions, incidents, seasons or even the posting habit of many people here.
If you look closely you will notice a pattern in the posts of nearly ALL of us. Lucia, Lara, IQ, Glaucus, Venus de India, Valus, BM, Koi, Diandra and many more.
These patterns are very revealing in regard to our beliefsystems and what is important to us, and even though we do not know each other personally, they are very revealing in regard to a part of our personality, and I suspect, a very vital part, which is somehow a determining factor of our identity, or what we think our identity is. Maybe that is why arguments get so personal so quickly here.
(Note: this is of course a personal interpretation of mine; noone has to agree with me; the only observeable thing is the existence of a posting pattern; everything else is interpretation)

Noticing these patterns we of course form our opinions on the poster, or on a certain behavioural style.
I think there is a fine line between being opiniated and plainly judgemental. I try to keep that in mind, to not step over this line.

I just ask for one thing:
Don`t EVER try to tell me what I FEEL or what I THINK or what I SHOULD DO.

I try to not do it to you, and I demand the same in return.

I know probably there is no need to mention this here on this thread, but I just wanted to tell you all where I stand. This is a line you better not cross with me, unless you want to see me being really judgemental.

In the end, if this has gone long enough, I would cut the connection.
You wouldn`t probably even notice, until the last moment.
Here in the context of LL it means that you would cease to exist for me; I would no longer talk to you, share anything with you and definitely not answer any questions (even though this is a really hard one for me, to not ask question and not answer them, if asked).

posted November 04, 2009 03:20 PM         

2009 = 11 year.
Date we met = 19/1

My surname = 11
my mans surname = 11
our combined full names added together = 11

his birthdate added up = 8
his birth number = 8
my birthday = 26/8
his birth-day and month = 2/6

my destiny = 9
his birth year = 9
his destiny = 9
his heart = 9

posted November 04, 2009 03:30 PM         

Anyway, 33 is my lifepath number, it is said to be a master number if I remember it correctly, the number of the teacher. lol
How fitting that I indeed am a teacher.
I also have read once that it relates to entertainment because of the double 3.

Personally, I feel the 3 threes, could relate to twinsouls, too.
Creator
Twinsoul 1
Twinsoul 2

But I don´t know for sure. I just thought it was fitting.

EDIT:
I found this on the number sequence:

posted November 04, 2009 03:36 PM         

Yes, interesting!

IQ told me that 11 is present in twin souls which is why I thought the 11's were so interesting!

posted November 04, 2009 03:40 PM         

Strangely this number is haunting me in connection to someone.

As well as the sequence 2323 for some reason.

According to that site it means:
2323, 2332, 2233 - These signs indicate your Spirit Guides agreement and support with your train of thought, plans or intended actions. This sign is most often seen after you have established a relationship with your Spirit Guides and are open to their guidance via number sequences.

Funny though,a ccording to the report on this site:

My personality number and the number of my quiescent Self (whatever that is) are 11.
It sais:

My Soul`s Urge is 5
My Personality is 11
My Quiescent Personality is 11
My Destiny is 7
My life path is 6

posted November 04, 2009 04:17 PM         

my heart is 7 and my personality is 6

soul sista!

Is 2323, 2332 or 2233 am asteroid number?

I ask this because my two fav numbers are 4 and 8 and 4848... tutenchamun is nr 4848.

I checked for you

2323 is ZVEREV
2332 is KALM
2233 is KUZNETSOV
3322 is LIDIYA

posted November 04, 2009 04:17 PM         

are you familiar with the concepts of lightworker?that is very associated with the nr 11

posted November 04, 2009 04:28 PM         

soul sista is right. Nephtys you are (at least in connection to my Isis).

So your heart is my destiny?
And your personality is my lifepath?

Well, I am always seeing 2323 and sometimes 3322, which is weird, cause when I was having my very first past life flashback, I was in Rome, a female Greek or Phrygian slave with the name of Lidia. ROFL
(I was thinking I must have seen too many films though)

Now THIS is really creepy.

Lidiya is conjunct my Moon (1) and ROMA! (0) and exact trine Karma (orb is: 0°00!).
Which means that Draco Lidiya conjuncts my SN, too.
My Moon is also conjunct Ur, Quetzoatl, Ubasti and Kalypso and Germania (I guess there was a reason I was born in GErmany).

The other Zverev is on 29°39 Sagittarius, conjunct my Sun, Sekhmet and Reiki and Vesta.

It gets even more interesting:

There is an asteroid Lydia with the number 110.
Lydia is on 9°34 Sagittarius in my chart exact conjunct Neptune and True Node,c onjunct Atlantis (1), ASC, Wisdom, Lust and Angel (2).

The name I had seen as my lover, was Marcus.
There are two asteroids containing that name: Marcusaurelius and Marcustacitus (both are Roman names!).

Marcusaurelius is conjunct my Saturn, Eros and Vertex and opposing my Sun-Moon-mp and trine my Juno and Draco Valentine.
Marcustacitus is conjunct my Valentine. lol
Draco marcustacitus is conjunct my Juno and tirne my Saturn and Eros.