posted January 10, 2010 10:26 AM         

Reason I didn't add the opposition to what I suggested in the above sentence is that with the opposition their tends to be a push pull whereas with conjunction there is a melding and with trine there is a divinity of the two coming together it seems sooooo easy to be together. The opposition shows a connection just a little more work to be done.

Thanks for adding it in though Glaucus

posted January 10, 2010 11:42 AM         

I agree. And I was meaning to add that I would treat the oppositions to angles as equal to conjunctions, just the emphasis of the angle changes.

Example:
Instead of interpreting an aspect as opposition to ASC, I would interprete it as conjunction to DESC.

posted January 10, 2010 02:20 PM         

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Birth time - exactly - Ascendants either conjunct same sign, trine or Ascendants/Personal angles in same degrees...

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posted January 10, 2010 10:20 PM         

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How can her Moon be in both? Is it conjunct the 8th cusp from 7th house?
Then it can`t be conjunct DESC.

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Yeah... Her Moon (Aquarius 16.12) is in my 7th house (3.20) and my 8th House (23.37)

posted January 10, 2010 10:57 PM         

Comica and DD,

angles in opposition to each other are different from planets in oppositions from each other

when ascendants are in opposition, there is a double whammy Ascendant-Descendant conjunction

the Ascendant is the persona,self and the Descendant is the other,the partner and so those things merge with each other.

Their personas,selves fit with the partnership qualities

in the book, Cosmic Marriage, Reinhold Ebertin pointed out that it was an ideal connection for a marriage,relationship.

I'd rather have the Ascendant-Ascendant opposition over the Ascendant-Ascendant conjunction

Raymond

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"Nothing matters absolutely;
the truth is it only matters relatively"

posted January 10, 2010 11:16 PM         

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I'd rather have the Ascendant-Ascendant opposition over the Ascendant-Ascendant conjunction.

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posted January 11, 2010 01:49 AM         

Her Moon is in your 7th house, as your 7th house reaches from 3.20 - 23.37 Aquarius, and 16 degree Aquarius falls into that range.

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posted January 11, 2010 03:01 AM         

Polo, it's good that the moon didn't change signs that day.

posted January 11, 2010 03:03 AM         

Wait, I'm starting to understand it

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Polo, it's good that the moon didn't change signs that day.

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posted January 11, 2010 03:05 AM         

But then it really makes a difference to know her birthtime. The Moon can move about 12 degrees a day. Which means there probably will be a range of 16-28 Aquarius if I see it right.

posted January 11, 2010 03:09 AM         

EDIT: See, DD is here. She's one of the best. Let's hope she gives her interpretation based on aspects. Ok, Polo now start sending good vibes to DD. Plus DD is an Aqua mooner herself, she could help you better understand your girl.

Off the top of my head, her Karma conjunct your Sun-Venus-Pluto explains why she is "teaching" you what you need to know about yourself. My guy has his Karma on my Sun-Moon conjunction and it's a total OUCH factor, I tell you. I now understand why you have all those posts about soulmates and TFs.

Her Pluto on your IC-Moon = ouch! (Could be a past life thing, just one possibility)
Her Sun on your 12H = ouch! (Could be a past life thing, just one possibility)

Btw, this is my crazy way of reading synastry. Ouch = potent connection, it can start out as disorienting but once you learn to manage them they instantly turn into Woohoo!

Hope the more serious knowflakes give their interps soon. Good luck!

posted January 11, 2010 03:43 AM         

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I now understand why you have all those posts about soulmates and TFs.

Her Pluto on your IC-Moon = ouch! (Could be a past life thing, just one possibility)
Her Sun on your 12H = ouch! (Could be a past life thing, just one possibility)

Btw, this is my crazy way of reading synastry. Ouch = potent connection, it can start out as disorienting but once you learn to manage them they instantly turn into Woohoo!

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Wow! Thank you. Could that possibly explain all of this happening in our lives. I will be so Thrilled when I find the cause or reason for what I have experienced with her. This is something that must be understood.

Disorienting is an understatement! Could you explain more about what those two (Pluto / IC Moon - Sun / 12th House) actually mean?

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For instance, do these aspects make it as disorienting for her as they do for me since they deal with MY Houses, or does it matter?

posted January 11, 2010 04:24 AM         

Lol Deux, and thank you.
Actually my Moon is on 17 Aquarius.

Anyway Polo,
I definitely can understand your compulsion / need to understand that interconnection. That is the reason why I am doing astrology, too.

I am at school right now, so let me think a bit about Pluto-Moon-IC (duh, that is something [I] would consider a soulmate-connection, probably one of the most intense, as it hits to the core - IC, Moon-, plus the intensity and transformations of Pluto).

I once had a thread with a theory / idea on categorization of soulmates, romantic mates and karma mates. I will give you the link. Maybe it will resonate with you. If not, it`s okay, too.
http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum1/HTML/019007.html

Of course this has been a post of long ago, before my own encounter with asteroids, and I probably would change some of the things.

BUT Pluto, Neptune, Moon and 4th, 8th and 12th house as carrying the "soulful" or "soulmate" energy -t hat is something I am very convinced of.

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4th house is the "womb" of your soul, it doesn`t get deeper than that. That is one of the reasons people don`t always like their 4th house triggered, it is getting too close to them.

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Hey thanx DD... I really do need this help and I greatly appreciate it.

I didn't see anyone mention anything about my 4th House, is it something there? Is the 4th House the IC?

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Of course this has been a post of long ago, before my own encounter with asteroids, and I probably would change some of the things.

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I have seen that post... That's right, you're DarkDreamer. I saw that post a while ago, but I wasn't exactly sure how to add all of my stuff up... Maybe you can show me, now that we have any actual synastry chart.

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I definitely can understand your compulsion / need to understand that interconnection. That is the reason why I am doing astrology, too.

I am at school right now, so let me think a bit about Pluto-Moon-IC (duh, that is something [I] would consider a soulmate-connection, probably one of the most intense, as it hits to the core - IC, Moon-, plus the intensity and transformations of Pluto).

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Okay, now we're getting somewhere! So, I'm not crazy then. I think she believed that she was going crazy, I do. In the very beginning we would both deny it on the surface, but this deep intensity that we see evidence of here would actually make us shake if we stood too close to one another. I remember I once raised my hand as I looked at it and said "WTF is this?" I didn't feel nervous, yet my entire body behaved as if I was. I couldn't figure what was going on.

Along with that, there is the magnetic pull that holds us transfixed as if we were two deer in headlights. I'm pretty certain that's the way we look to others before we snap out of it. This stuff is too crazy!

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Actually my Moon is on 17 Aquarius.

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posted January 11, 2010 04:49 AM         

Her Pluto on your Moon and IC-
since the IC is a Moon-point, this is like a "double-strike" of her Pluto to your Moon.
Moon and Pluto make for one of the most intense, emotionally passionate and deep connections.
People who share that are often inseparably entangled with each others soul.
It is near to impossible that these people do NOT have an effect on each other or stay unimpressed; this is especially true for the Moon / IC-person.
The Pluto person "hits" the Moon / IC-person at their most vulnerable, deepest core, and often Moon /IC feels completely overwhelmed by Pluto, sometimes this might even result in being scared.

The tight connection that is being created can be expressed positively or negatively. In a postive sense there is much depth and closeness shared.
In a negative sense there will also be closeness, but it could be that Pluto completely overwhelms Moon, and there can be a controlling manipulative compulsive relationship developing (if both people allow themselve being touched in these profound ways).
What way ever this connection is being expressed, one thing is certain, neither person will leave the relationship as the same they have been before. There will be a very deep transformation happening. Most astrologers say it is Moon who will be transformed, but I think, Pluto will be influenced by Moon, as well, just maybe the lunar transformative power is a little bit more gentle than Pluto`s, which often can feel as if you have been catapulted from one dimension into a completely different, or to say it mythologically, to be drawn / thrown into the underworld of Pluto, which is nothing else but your deepest subconsciousness.

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The Pluto person "hits" the Moon / IC-person at their most vulnerable, deepest core, and often Moon /IC feels completely overwhelmed by Pluto, sometimes this might even result in being scared.

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OMG! I don't like that... It's 100% accurate, but that leaves me too open and vulnerable and I am scared! Honestly I am. I never know how I am going to feel or what will be triggered deep within when I am with her. My ego is useless in this condition so I can't hide it, Damn!

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In a negative sense there will also be closeness, but it could be that Pluto completely overwhelms Moon,

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This sounds a lot like my Mars conjunct her Moon.

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Sun in the 12th house can mean that she triggers your dormant spirituality or that she simply confuses you. I can`t see if her Sun has aspects to your chart though.

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From all you say she has the definite advantage, or maybe it just seems that way because we don't have her exact birth time to see her House placements?

posted January 11, 2010 05:04 AM         

"Maybe you can show me, now that we have any actual synastry chart."
We could, but we would need her exact birthtime then.

"So, I'm not crazy then."
Of course you are not. you are just probably experiencing deeper feelings than you have ever before, and are surprised and maybe even startled, how DEEP feelings can reach.

"would actually make us shake if we stood too close to one another. I remember I once raised my hand as I looked at it and said "WTF is this?" I didn't feel nervous, yet my entire body behaved as if I was. I couldn't figure what was going on."
Oh yes, I know that. Like an instinctual reaction, you have no control over.

speaking of asteroids I was wondering if you might have strong aspects to the asteroids SOMA or AURA. Maybe also DNA.

"eally? Her Moon is 16 Aquarius. Would this make the two of you relatively the same, emotionally?"

Yes, the 16 Aquarius Moon would make us having some similiarities. If we really have a Moon that close, it also means that all the aspects your chart makes to her Moon, it also makes to my Moon.
And that is where the angles come into play again. They can give that confirmation of a rare connection, if there are tight aspects.

Anyway, even with the same Aqua-Moon, we still will be different, as our natal Moon-aspects may differ.

For example:
my Moon is in Aquarius with only one aspect, an exact inconjunct to Saturn in Cancer in 8th house.

Moon is the ruler of my 8th (Pluto) house and falls into 2nd house (Taurus-Venus).
Saturn is the ruler of my 2nd (Veus) house and falls into my 8th (Pluto) house.
That gives me a mix up for my Moon of:
Uranus (Aquarius)
Saturn
Pluto
Taurus-Venus

Her Moon seems to be trine Venus in Gemini and Pluto in Gemini - A grand trine in Air.
It looks like a much more airy Moon than mine, with both her feminine planets in Air signs connected to each other plus harmoniously aspected by Pluto the planet of intensity. It is not ultra-intense, it is a pleasant form of intensity she contributes.
All that Airiness is probably well received by your Venus and Moon, which are all in an Airsign-Libra-,t oo, especially with your Moon conjunct uranus natally, which gives you a bit of an Aqua-Moon-vibe yourself (as Uransu rules Aqua).