posted January 08, 2010 07:25 AM         

I think we should continue this discussion here, and not derail IQ`s thread any more than necessary.

Anyway you inspired me to have a look at Cusack`s synastry with me (IQ, have a look ).

I thought it was kinda "funny".

synastry:

DW`s:
his Sun square my Aura (1)
his Aura square my Sun (0)

his Saturn trine my Valentine (2)
his Valentine square my Saturn (0)

his PLuto square my Karma (0.0)
his Karma trine my Pluto (0)

SOULMATE PAIRINGS:

his Psyche conjunct my Eros (0.0)

his Pluto conjunct my Persephone (2)
his PRoserpina square my Pluto (2)

his Zeus conjunct my Hera (2)

OTHER ASPECTS:

his Sun opposite my Venus (0)
his Venus opposite my Mars (2)
his Jupiter trine my Jupiter (0)
his pluto opposite my Juno (0)
his SN conjunct my Valentine (2)
his Chiron trine my Valentine (1)
his Juno conjunct my DESC (2)
his Karma conjunct my SN (0)
his Karma conjunct my DESC (2)

his Aura trine my Anubis (1)
his Angel trine my Jupiter (1)
his Anubis trine my Moon (0)
his Anubis conjunct my Karma (0)

COMPOSITE

Pluto sextile Persephone (2)
Pluto square Proserpina (1)

Angel trine Saturn (0)

[Anubis conjunct Chiron] trine Eros, opposite URanus, sextile Valentine

Aura trine NN

Isis widely conjunct Osiris (4)

Eros widely square Psyche (3)

But I very much agree with what PA said there, one soulmate aspect doesn`t make (or reflect) a Twinflame-couple.

posted January 08, 2010 08:14 AM         

Tropical:

Draconic:

posted January 08, 2010 09:59 AM         

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I loved his movie Serendipity... good catch DD

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"Serendipity" was pivotal for me. I saw it once, when it first came out and thought "OMG! This movie is such BS." I said "What they suggest is Impossible!" Years later, or last year after many of those very same things happened to me, I watched it again and thought "This movie is Genius!" I felt whoever wrote that script definitely knew what they were talking about.

What a difference experience makes. You think you understand Life and Reality, then something like a SM TF happens and you realize that, really, you have NO Idea! Those of us who have had this experience should be very grateful because we are blessed.

posted January 08, 2010 10:43 AM         

yes it is.that is why i loved the movie.but the 2nd time i watched it i was already with my SM,and it was only then that i really could see how much magic there is in life.we just dont see it really.

i wanted specifically to watch it for the 2nd time with my bf so i bought it and we watched it together.He said that it was one of the best he saw.and that our encounter was like that in the movie,at least the synchros part.

this is my personal opinion but for me,"The One" is the soul who match our present frequence.therephore...it is not only our Twin that is the one...our SM are really "our ones" too...my bf and I are True Love Soulmates,and i wouldnt switch him for any thousand TF.

i believe that your feeling torwards your lover is the same so...why ask if it is or not a twin,if you already feel that there is nothing greater than It?

posted January 08, 2010 12:19 PM         

But that is actually not the point. John Cusack is not the ONE for me (even though I like him); but if I can have all these soulmate-aspects with someone, who is not the ONE; that leads me to the conclusion, that it is NOT enough to have these soulmate-aspects. There is another ingredient, that has to be there before, and only if it is there, the soulmate-aspects will really come into play.

Since I sincerely believe, astrology reflects life, I think it must be an astrological ingredient, a basic, yet unique thing.

For me it all comes down to the exact birthtime, the natals and the interaction with and in the synastry chart.

posted January 08, 2010 12:31 PM         

You know that im also a firm believer in astrology.

but imagine this:two brothers or sister that are twins..born only 3 minuts apart.

Imagine that...if one founds someone that astrology pictures as "The One" or as a probable Twin.

Why isnt the other twin brother or sister feeling the same way torwards that person?

I believe that astrology shows those kind of conections,but the most important factor we must see first is the SOUL Conection.

Only then pass onto the astrological findings.

posted January 08, 2010 12:53 PM         

I kind of disagree. I am stubborn in that way. IF astrology reflects life, it MUST reflect this, too, UNLESS the recognition of Twinflames in a chart is not possible at all!

Apart from that I think that even one minute would make a difference.

Maybe this just shows, that we are still using too generous orbs.

On the other hand I also believe that even though astrology reflects life in total, we still have the choice in what way to react to the connections,a nd that is where maybe the karma comes in.
Maybe we could only see twinflames, if we knew the charts of several past lives, too.

posted January 08, 2010 01:02 PM         

let´s ask him what he thinks then

minuts indeed make a diference on the ascendant..the sabyans at least will be different,right?

i am inclined to say that TF can be seen by astrology but in a whole,not only with sinastry or composites.

posted January 08, 2010 01:06 PM         

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if I can have all these soulmate-aspects with someone, who is not the ONE; that leads me to the conclusion, that it is NOT enough to have these soulmate-aspects. There is another ingredient, that has to be there before, and only if it is there, the soulmate-aspects will really come into play.

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I TOTALLY agree with you! There has to be something that would clearly show it, if not, then soulful experiences may reside outside the scope of traditional astrology.

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Since I sincerely believe, astrology reflects life, I think it must be an astrological ingredient, a basic, yet unique thing.

For me it all comes down to the exact birthtime, the natals and the interaction with and in the synastry chart.

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My instincts tell me that the answer will be found through a better understanding of the Chakras and how they interact between two people. I think there is something with the Crown and the Heart Chakras or the third eye Chakra.

I can remember when the first that I realized I was being deeply affected by her was during a conversation and something she said made me utter an "Uh!" as I unconsciously covered my heart with my hand. Thinking back now, it was as if I could feel "Cupid's Arrow" nail me with a direct hit. It happened about three times back to back until I just got up from my seat and hugged her. I didn't say the words then, but my actions clearly said "I love you." Isn't that somin'? What was that?

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I believe that astrology shows those kind of conections,but the most important factor we must see first is the SOUL Conection.

Only then pass onto the astrological findings.

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This makes sense to me. I believe there is the physical, the emotional, the spiritual and the soulful. Each successive one experienced at a higher level of consciousness than the one before it. I suspect that the higher we go, the less astrology is able to show.

I would say that, Natally, our charts show us what we need to do in order to achieve a harmonic balance within ourselves. Our internal challenges established by our designs. As we evolve and achieve a greater and greater balance within, the instinctive drive no longer directs us, but instead, our consciousness does. Our souls allow us to align our consciousness with the Grand Design of the cosmos and this, I believe, is responsible for the intensity, the telepathy and the synchronicity of these soulful connections. It's the reason that I say God is involved and others have referred to it as a trinity between the two people and God.

Astrology does not seem to be able to predict this our reliably show the existence of it. I am not sure why, but I strongly feel that the chakras will lead us to the answer.

posted January 08, 2010 01:20 PM         

you might be into something here...

i go to a site where sometimes i find incredible things that toutch me really.

here it is something about TF and im searching for one there where she also talks about the chacras.
http://www.crystalinks.com/twin_flame.html

it is all about energy really.
http://www.crystalinks.com/chakras.html

posted January 08, 2010 02:06 PM         

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IF astrology reflects life, it MUST reflect this, too, UNLESS the recognition of Twinflames in a chart is not possible at all!

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I'm starting to wonder... I have yet to find any satisfactory explanation for what I have experienced. I used to think it was Eros / Psyche, but with a 5 degree orb, astrology says no. Moon / Mars explains the emotion, but not the divinity. By divinity I mean the synchronistic events that function as evidence of universal, divine intervention. This happens outside of the two people, but to their benefit. How could astrology reflect what is occurring outside of them?

Look at this _

Man has seven centers. The lowest is the sex center and the highest is the samadhi center, and between these two there are five more centers.

• When all the seven centers of a man are in tune and in harmony with all the seven centers of a woman, then you have found a soulmate.

Whenever it happens, absolute oneness is felt — unity. Two persons utterly disappear into each other. There is no division at all. Two persons function as if they are one person — two bodies, but one soul. It is absolute harmony. It is love at its peak. At this highest peak where all the seven centers meet, the joy is constant. It is orgasmic; it is a spiritual communion. It is a mystic phenomenon; it is transcendental, but it is very rare.



• Below it, there is another meeting: six centers meeting. That too is rare. It is union, not unity. It is not a cosmic, mystical union, but still something very close to it — an aesthetic union, an artistic phenomenon, a poetic experience.

The first can be understood only by those who have known samadhi, satori. The second can be understood by poets, painters, dancers, musicians.



• Lower than that, is the meeting of five centers. It is not even a union; it is duality. Two persons remain two, but still there is great harmony. The two function as if two musical instruments are playing in harmony. There is no union; there is no unity. They are separate.

This is what Kahlil Gibran has described, “Lovers should be like two pillars of a temple supporting the same roof, yet apart and separate.” It is still beautiful.

• The fourth is four centers meeting. Duality. Harmony has disappeared but there is great understanding about each other, great caring about each other. There is no spontaneous harmony, but out of understanding a certain rhythm is maintained. It is an experience of great intelligence. One has to be aware — if one is not aware, one will fall from this fourth state.



• Then there is the fifth: three centers meeting. Duality becomes more and more emphasized. Understanding is still there but not constant — flickering, shaky. Once in a while conflict arises, but it is not disruptive of love. On the contrary, it adds to it, makes it a little more spicy. It is a psychological experience.



• Below it is two centers meeting. Great duality, clear-cut duality. It is almost fifty-fifty: fifty percent understanding, fifty percent conflict. It is a physiological experience. Still a great balance is there because of this fifty percent understanding, fifty percent conflict.



• And below it is one center meeting. Too much conflict. Rare moments of joy, very rare. Once in a while, few and far between. But still worth it! It is a sexual experience.




• The zero relationship

And below it, the lowest, is no centers meeting. These are the couples you meet. It is not even a sexual experience; it is even below sexual experience. It is more or less masturbatory. It is a certain kind of social, economic, political arrangement. It is exploitation. It is businesslike.

It is neither friendship nor enmity. It is a very formal relationship — a relationship which is not a relationship at all. You exploit the other; the other exploits you. It is a kind of prostitution. The ugliest possibility...but this is what is happening on the earth.



posted January 08, 2010 04:05 PM         

" then soulful experiences may reside outside the scope of traditional astrology."
Currently I am inclined to believe this.

BUT I am open to be proven wrong.

Also, when i was giving you my little list in the other thread (you know the one about asteroids relating to body, heart, soul and so on) I was also relating them to the chakra system.
I actually think that might be some kind of clue. Connecting the chakra system with astrological significators.
But it is just an idea, I haven`t put too many thoughts into this, apart from what I have been writing.

Diandra,

you know I have the highest respect for IQ, but I`m not even buying his stuff blindly.
Well, that sounds so negative, it isn`t meant this way.
As i see it, we are all here, entering terra nova, and it is an adventurous path, which will give us brilliant insights, but we also will be making mistakes now and then, misinterpreteing things, thinking that one thing is the key, when there is simultaneously something else, even more consisten, going on,t hat we just don`t see yet.

But like most pioneers, we can`t really see now, what is the brilliant insight and what is the misinterpretation. Only time (and research) will tell.

posted January 08, 2010 04:36 PM         

So in your view,the little thing which is escaping to all of us is yet to be unfolded.and it is seen astrologicaly then?

i thought of something...

we are all unique in our own way.
we are all Divine too.

So...wouldnt our chart with the TF of ours be always different from other TF couples also?

i mean..is it really a specific(s) placement(s) that "works" for all of us,in the exact same way,to show us who the TF is?

Or is it something that we must study in depth,and see in a complementary level of for example...regression to past life?

remember VenusdeIndia?She is with her Twin. VIG is with her twin too i think.LExx i also think that is with her Twin ( but im not sure if it is TF or SM...)

So...wouldnt it be a good idea to ask them for the charts?and see if some pattern comes up?

nothing is better than have real people,real TF that are now reunited to see how the astrology might be showing this unique conection.

posted January 08, 2010 04:59 PM         

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So...wouldnt our chart with the TF of ours be always different from other TF couples also?

i mean..is it really a specific(s) placement(s) that "works" for all of us,in the exact same way,to show us who the TF is?

Or is it something that we must study in depth,and see in a complementary level of for example...regression to past life?

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Wow! That is a superb point and one I had not considered, but it makes complete sense. The difference and uniqueness could be determined by what each of us are designed to contribute to the world individually and together as a unit.

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remember VenusdeIndia?She is with her Twin. VIG is with her twin too i think.LExx i also think that is with her Twin ( but im not sure if it is TF or SM...)

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Exactly! How can we know for sure that these couples are TF. How can we objectively prove it? If we can't we will still be unable to build a bridge to higher truth. Everything will change with subjective opinions. We have to find a way to determine it beyond what someone thinks or feels.