posted January 11, 2010 05:19 AM         

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Of course you are not. you are just probably experiencing deeper feelings than you have ever before, and are surprised and maybe even startled, how DEEP feelings can reach.

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Perfectly stated! That's exactly what it is... You nailed it!

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Oh yes, I know that. Like an instinctual reaction, you have no control over.

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Yeah! Has this happened to you too??? Also, if it's her Pluto to my Moon, why does it affect her mutually? I think maybe the Deer in headlights thing affects her more than it does me. Sometimes she is so overwhelmed by it, that once she snaps out of it, she has to go into another room just to pull herself together. Watching that, for me, is funny! LOL

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speaking of asteroids I was wondering if you might have strong aspects to the asteroids SOMA or AURA. Maybe also DNA.

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I don't know... How can we tell?

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Yes, the 16 Aquarius Moon would make us having some similiarities. If we really have a Moon that close, it also means that all the aspects your chart makes to her Moon, it also makes to my Moon.
And that is where the angles come into play again. They can give that confirmation of a rare connection, if there are tight aspects.

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So what are your angles? Also, what is your Sun sign?

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Her Moon seems to be trine Venus in Gemini and Pluto in Gemini - A grand trine in Air.

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posted January 11, 2010 05:36 AM         

" My ego is useless in this condition so I can't hide it, Damn! "
That is probably exactly what you are supposed to learn. You can`t hide. period.

"This sounds a lot like my Mars conjunct her Moon."
Well, Pluto is seens as the higher octave of Mars. But Mars is more physical, Pluto is more spiritual. Mars is a "doer", Pluto also is a "doer" but in order to transform.
Pluto is deeper than Mars. Mars is explosive energy, Pluto rather implodes or directs his energy inwardly or onto the other`s core.

"or maybe it just seems that way because we don't have her exact birth time to see her House placements?"
It would be interesting to see where her planets fall, yes.

"So the Eros / Psyche or the Juno/ Psyche conjunctions don't really have much to do with all of this then, huh?"
I think they are significant: I was just focusing on Pluto-Moon/IC because it is planetary action and you mentioned it.

I am always hearing up when someone mentions Moon, ASC or IC, as these are the fastest moving objects in astrology, and therefor unique an really individual.

posted January 11, 2010 05:47 AM         

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I am always hearing up

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Huh??? Hearing up? is that a typo?

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" My ego is useless in this condition so I can't hide it, Damn! "
That is probably exactly what you are supposed to learn. You can`t hide. period.

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You know, you're absolutely RIGHT! But come on. When the emotional feelings go to the core, as you have shown, you can't just reveal that... Not in the kind of egocentric, exploitative world that we live in. That is psychological suicide, don't you think? You have got to make sure that it's safe to do so first.

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posted January 11, 2010 07:07 AM         

PA said it perfectly. I couldnīt have explained it any better. This is exactly how I see the difference between Mars/Venus and Pluto / Moon.

posted January 11, 2010 07:20 AM         

"Yeah! Has this happened to you too???"
Yes, and it is happening still, even though there is no relationship of any sorts. Just that strange intense energy.

his Eros is exact conjunct my Venus.
my Pluto is exact conjunct his Mars.

And in the Composite there is a Sun-Pluto-square.

"Also, if it's her Pluto to my Moon, why does it affect her mutually?"
First of all it is her Pluto being triggered, so she might experience that connection in a Plutonic way.
And then I would also check if there might be similiar intense aspects to her chart, especially to her Moon. Again, we really need her birthtime for that.

"I think maybe the Deer in headlights thing affects her more than it does me. Sometimes she is so overwhelmed by it, that once she snaps out of it, she has to go into another room just to pull herself together."
That is exactly the sort of feeling I am getting, whenever I have seen that guy. Like I have to snap out of it, come to my senses again and so on. Must be the Aqua-Moon-thing, trying to detach and maintain a balance.

"I don't know... How can we tell?"
Just insert their numbers in the little box, when you do the charts on astro.com.

I think these are the numbers:
soma: 2815
DNA: 55555
Aura: 1488

Regarding the meaning this is my take on it:
Aura is your energetic field, like in, well Aura. lol

DNA is your genetic code

Soma is Greek for body. I think it is how you feel your body. Something that aspects your Soma may resonate and vibrate throughout all your nerves and fibres of your body. But not outwardly, like the skin, it is rather "crawling under your skin". But that is just my view on it. Others may disagree.

"So what are your angles?"
my ASC is on 7 Sagittarius; my IC is on 5 Aries.

" Also, what is your Sun sign?"
Sag.

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You mean her Pluto is in Libra, don't you?"
Yes, but that alone isn`t why I referred to her as Airy, cause a whole generation has Pluto in Libra.
But the fact that she also has Moon in Aquarius and Venus in Gemini, making a Grand trine with Pluto, made me menion her Air-emphasis.

posted January 11, 2010 03:00 PM         

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Just in case you don't know if it, I find this site useful for synastry interpretations. http://www.skyviewzone.com/lovematch/plutosynastryaspects.htm

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Yes, I am familiar with this site.

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First of all it is her Pluto being triggered, so she might experience that connection in a Plutonic way.

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Meaning, she feels it in a deeply transformative way, correct? In her subconscious? For me, the Moon, it is experienced in a deeply emotional way, still the subconscious... Is this right?

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his Eros is exact conjunct my Venus.
my Pluto is exact conjunct his Mars.

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Hummm... My Eros conjuncts her Mars 3 degrees
My Pluto conjuncts her Mars 5 degrees

But I know a guy whose Eros conjuncts her Venus 7 degrees
And her Pluto conjuncts his Mars 13 degrees... It's kind of wide, but seeing what you said about yourself, I wonder if they feel anything close to what her and I feel. Plus they also have a his Venus / her Mars conjunction at 8 degrees.

posted January 11, 2010 03:18 PM         

"eaning, she feels it in a deeply transformative way, correct? In her subconscious? For me, the Moon, it is experienced in a deeply emotional way, still the subconscious... Is this right? "
Yes, I would say so. I hesitate a little bit to use the term "subconscious" though. I think this aspect is so intense that you will become very conscious about it.

But I guess the 4th and 12th house are the most prone to keeping things a little bit hidden, sometimes even from yourself, if you don`t really want to face what is there.

Let me give you an example.
The ruler of my 4th house is Mars, which is in the 12th house conjunct Neptune.
It has always been a very difficult thing for me to feel my anger; well as a child I felt it clearly, alright, but during growing up, I learned that an angry DD wasn`t really that welcome, so I started to bury my anger inside (4th and 12th house plus conjunction to Neptune - VERY easy to hide something), until I lost every conscious access to it; at that point I would have SWORN that I never was angry.
Of course I was, I directed the anger against me and my body (by eating very unhealthily) and also towards my family in friends, by withdrawing into the 12th house, so it was nearly impossible to reach me for a time.
It was an expression of suppressed anger. A very unhealthy expression of that configuration I have.

I am very happy actually that now I am more easily angry and feel it (even though I don`t always act like I am angry) and will react, if I feel someone steps over a personal line.

what I want to say is that I actually used the 4th and 12th house to bury an important emotion there (cause along with anger there is also much of energy lost), but in the end I HAD to face what was down there.

That is one of the reasons that I often feel so drawn to ARies Sun or Aries Moon or Aries ASC people I think (my Draco Sun is also in Aries) - I am supposed to learn from them to have a more direct access to my impulses and feelings and not overcomplicate emotional matters all the time.

"My Pluto conjuncts her Mars 5 degrees"
I wouldnīt use anything over 3 degrees, especially not with generational planets like Pluto, as he stays in one sign for so long. A whole generation will have this aspect with her, if we use large orbs.

"I wonder if they feel anything close to what her and I feel."
I think that you feel it that strongly, because it is such a tight connection with a very small orb.

"Her Mars is conjunct both our Sun's, him at 4 degrees, me at 3 degrees."
Well, I probably would allow 4 degrees with two personal planets, but of course the tighter the more intense.

Sometimes I am making a list of the tightest aspects, usually only using 0° and 1° aspect and meditate about it (meaning I ponder how I experience these aspects in the synastry) and usually I find these are really the "hot spots", especially if those are conjunctions.

posted January 11, 2010 03:26 PM         

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Hey I just thought of something inspired by what you are saying DD. I have read that Eros was a higher expression of Mars or even expressed as a combination of Mars and Venus.

Now I am thinking, because of the depth associated with it, that maybe Psyche could be, not only the higher expression of Venus, but possibly expressed as a combination of Venus and the Moon.

This would make an Eros / Psyche conjunction produce the same cumulative effect as the Moon, Venus and Mars, while being at a higher octave than even pluto, it would also be felt as deeply transformative.

Is my logic sound or am I way, way off base?

Asteroids

Mine

• Aura 7.50 Libra
• DNA 24.27 Scorpio
• Soma 6.14 Scorpio

• Aura 25.23 Taurus
• DNA 8.46 Pisces
• Soma 1.33 Leo

What say you?

posted January 11, 2010 05:03 PM         

That is a good question. I am still trying to make my mind up about the question, if asteroids on their own are as strong as planetary aspects. I think IQ is convinced they are. I am not yet there to be honest.
But anyway this is a very tight aspect and so it certainly is very significant, and Juno conjunct Psyche would be a very feminine, soulful connection. (Juno and Psyche are both feminine archetypes).

"is less than 1 degree is her Adonis conjunct my Venus .44 degrees."
Spellbinding. Candles flicker, violins play out of nowwhere, and there is a heady scent in the air.

Just kidding, but I really think it is one of the most sensual, enthralling connection that exist.

" even expressed as a combination of Mars and Venus. "
Yes, as he is the son of Venus and Mars (at least in one of the myths, surrounding him)

"not only the higher expression of Venus, but possibly expressed as a combination of Venus and the Moon."
Yes, I think so. Psyche as reflection of Venus never really satisfied me. I mean, yes, she is feminine, too, but she is different from Venus. Actually Venus views her as her biggest rival and is jealous of her!
Plus I always thought Psyche is so much more sensitive and emotional than Venus. She is certainly more about intimacy / soulfulness than about Venusian romance.
Yet she is youthful like Venus is, and not as maternal as Moon can be.
So it makes sense to see her as a mix of Venus and Moon, yes.
I wonder if Eros could be seen as mix of Sun and Mars, too? The Sun would add a more spiritual influence to the Martian characteristics then, but it was just an idea, don`t know if there is substance to it.

posted January 11, 2010 05:18 PM         

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I wonder if Eros could be seen as mix of Sun and Mars, too? The Sun would add a more spiritual influence to the Martian characteristics then, but it was just an idea, don`t know if there is substance to it.

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That makes complete logical sense to me! Sun + Mars = Eros (Passion). Moon + Venus = Soulfulness (intuitive love connection).

Venus is a selfish kind of aesthetic love... Moon is a selfless emotional maternal love. Combined in Psyche they produce the ideal beautifully, Soulful, unconditional love.

The Sun is the true self. Mars is raw sexuality. Combined in Eros raw sexuality becomes infused with the passions of the true self producing erotic, passionate, sexuality.

Soulful, unconditional love is the only thing that can sustain erotic, passionate sexuality from the core of one's being.

posted January 11, 2010 05:25 PM         

I don't.

That's why I focus on planetary aspects first, and then asteroids for finetuning.

That's with any astrological method. Even in the astrological system that I am developing, asteroids aren't part of the standard system but additional.

Raymond

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"Nothing matters absolutely;
the truth is it only matters relatively"

posted January 11, 2010 06:15 PM         

That is exactly the point (for me at least). How do we pick? How do we find out which are more significant than others? Or are they all equally valid? Doesn`t it get arbitrary then?

I think many astrologers will tell you, they pick their asteroids with intuition. Even though I believe in intuition and think it is very valid, I also feel that we should find a more, mm, logical reasoning we base the use of anything astrological on. AStrology is a science after all.
This doesn`t mean I discredit having found something through intuition (intution leads our way in many respects I think), but it has to be researched, "proven" with experience.

WE have to be consistent. And I still haven`t found a good way to do this with asteroids.

Well, there are of course "selection-methods".
One is based on the thought that the asteroids (as well as planets) reflect psychological traits according to their myths. It has been working for the planets alright, so I donīt see no reason, why it shouldn`t work for the asteroids, too.

Personally I tend to focus on asteroids with the names of Gods or Goddesses. Why? Because the planets are named after the Gods, too.

But then there is an asteroid like Karma which seems to be very valid in its own sense. But maybe it does just SEEM so, because I EXPECT it to?

Another criteria could be to see if an asteroid is conjunct a personal planet, maybe that would "elevate" it somehow?

But as you can see, I don`t really have any good answers to this. No definite ones at least, which is one of the reasons I am a bit careful regarding asteroids. I use them, I integrate them, I am often stunned about their accuracy, but I am still in researching and observation mode.
And like Glaucus, I put much more emphasis on major planets.

posted January 11, 2010 06:34 PM         

I put Ceres as number 1 in importance

why? well...because it's the largest asteroid of them all at over 900 km in diameter. No asteroid comes near that size. Because of its size, it's the only asteroid that is classed as a dwarf planet along with Pluto,Eris,Makemake,and Haumea which are all transneptunians. As transneptunian dwarf planets, they are classed as Plutoids.
There is some speculation that Ceres might even be a transneptunian that was somehow knocked into the inner solar system.

the other asteroids after that, Pallas,Vesta which are protoplanet type asteroids. They are not typical asteroids.
Juno because it's named after the Queen of the Roman deities,Jupiter's wife,and the 3rd asteroid discovered.

Hygeia and Psyche are big asteroids,and they are about the health and the soul.

Hygeia is prototype of its own asteroids class too.

Raymond

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"Nothing matters absolutely;
the truth is it only matters relatively"

posted January 12, 2010 02:28 AM         

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The way you explained the interconnection between Suna nd Mars, Moon and Venus, is EXACTLY how I see it.

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Really? Cool! Maybe my astrological intuition will make me a real astrologer yet

Did you see my Asteroids DD? I didn't read you mention anything about them. Here they are again _

Mine

• Aura 7.50 Libra
  
• DNA 24.27 Scorpio
  
• Soma 6.14 Scorpio
  

• Aura 25.23 Taurus
  
• DNA 8.46 Pisces
  
• Soma 1.33 Leo

posted January 12, 2010 06:03 AM         

Aura 7.50 Libra
DNA 24.27 Scorpio
Soma 6.14 Scorpio

Hers
Aura 25.23 Taurus
DNA 8.46 Pisces
Soma 1.33 Leo"

That is almost funny; your Aura conjuncts my Pluto. your DNA conjuncts my Soma exact and conjuncts my Valentine widely. lol
But that wasn`t what you were asking for.

" see DNA / Aura opposition at 0.96 degrees"
I think this could indicate a certain kind of "energetic recognition", meaning that your genetic code and her energy field somehow "resonate / vibrate" with each other, when they are in proximity. With te opposition it may be a very eneergetic vibration, partly maybe even some kind of "electric tension".
I know that this is not very much to the point and "graspable", but I am still experiencing with these asteroids, so my interpretations may be a bit "unfocused".

you could check for aspects with personal planets and angles, too.
Even other asteroids.
Is there a connection to Eros or Psyche? Amor? Juno? Ceres?

posted January 12, 2010 06:09 AM         

I have a theory, why or how it works, but I can`t prove if it is right.
anyway if you are interested in it:

I think astrology is a system of synchronicities, and my thesis is that the stars outside reflect what we have inside or what is happening to us.

I donīt think the "rocks in space" really influence energetically; but I could be wrong. Actually when I think about it, maybe I am wrong about it.
We know so little aobut the universe and how these interdependencies work, so it is well possible that there are energetic connections.

Anyway as of now I think, the stars donīt MAKE us doing something,b ut they merely reflect or describe us.

posted January 12, 2010 06:15 AM         

how do you interprete Vesta? There seems a lot of contradiction going on about this one. Is it sexual? Is it non sexual? Is it about work?

Personally I have formulated the keyword: "dedication" to it. Whereever Vesta is, there is a theme of focus and dedication to this area.