posted March 04, 2010 11:06 AM            

Seriously, I have experienced the Sun-Moon conjunction in some instances, and even though it brought a great rapport and feeling like we could see "eye to eye", I NEVER fell in love with someone whose Sun was on my Moon or whose Moon was on my Sun. It just doesn`t happen to me.
(Not to say that it never will).

Venus-Mars conjunctions are juicy and sexy; I definitely feel a certain pull towards guys whose Mars is on my Venus (and that even extends to celebrities to a certain degree), but I guess the square to my Pluto may be intensifying things a bit.
And it certainly is not an aspect of "love" to me; not even passion. Only lust or attraction (which can be pretty nice on itself).

But actually I think in soulmate relationships the MOON will play a certain role; after all don`t the astrology books claim the Moon is the symbol for the soul? (at least the Yin side of it).

But maybe it is just for me this way, cause Moon rules my 8th house, and the water houses and their respective rulers and planets seem to play a role, too (I am not talking about twinflames though).

In my case I have Saturn in my 8th house, Mars in my 12th house; Mars rules my 4th house, Moon rules my 8th house and Pluto rules my 12th house (for Placidus).

In equal it would be:
Saturn in 8th house, Mars in 12th house, Jupiter in 4th house. Neptune ruling 4th house, Moon ruling 8th house, Pluto ruling 12th house.

Moon, Saturn, Mars, Pluto have definitely always played a role for me in soulmate relationships; or let`s say in connections, that affected me on a very deep level, the unforgettable ones.

Jupiter and Neptune always pop up, too. But it could be that this is because Jupiter rules my ASC and Neptune sits on my ASC, and both are exactly squaring each other, being in mutual reception, Jupiter in Pisces, Neptune in Sagittarius (even though due to the square they probably can`t help each other).

Those are my personal "soul"-planets; in strong connections they are usually aspecting each other or aspecting each other`s "identity and love" planets / rulers, which would be ruler of ASC, ruler of 5th house and ruler of 7th house, and of course the respective planets, especially Venus (Mars) and the nodal axis and Vertex for a bit of karmic interplay.

Ah I just have been thinking aloud here, so don´t mind me. I will have to revise this after a time of thinking.

But for me it seems to fit, the water houses seem to indicate deeper soul-connections for me, and put them together with the "love"-houses and you may get very deep and sparkling connections.

posted March 04, 2010 11:11 AM            

go figure

posted March 04, 2010 11:16 AM            

In one of my synastries I have noticed a strange house-ruler DW.
The ruler of his 8th house squares my NN; the ruler of my 8th house conjunct his SN.
And yes, through him, I have been transformed in major ways. I guess I have "died" and been "reborn" at least a dozen times during the period I have known him.

The ruler of his 8th house also squares my ASC exactly and trines my Venus, ruler of my 5th house.
The ruler of my 8th house squares the ruler of his 5th house. LOL

posted September 10, 2010 03:00 PM            

I have to say that I think what Diana said about the personal planets aspecting each other is not that indicative of a soul mate.

A soul mate is someone we have been moving through past lives with, so we would need to include generational aspects, interlocking with personal planets...

In any case, I still believe that the aspects I at first stated are still very indicative of a soul mate, but the orbs have to be exact or at the most under 2 orb.

There has to be this sort of action creating huge configurations with Venus, Pluto, Uranus, Moon, Nodes, Vertex, Arabic Parts, Midpoints, Mars, Chiron, Etc...

posted September 10, 2010 03:27 PM            

As Glaucus always sais, they indicate "intense evolutionary" processes. And that is certainly something true for soulmates, too.

posted September 10, 2010 03:55 PM            

Can you please explain to me how to look up transneptunian planets/aspects on astro.com as i can't figure it out.

posted September 10, 2010 03:59 PM            

Good point.

but the orbs have to be real tight

we can't say.....oh...so so's Midheaven is conjunct my Sedna within 1 degree orb, he/she must be my soulmate

Sedna has over 11,000 year orbit, and so the aspect orbs have to be extremely like 4 minutes of arc....maybe even under 1 minute

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posted September 10, 2010 04:02 PM            

The East Point and the Antivertex
Maritha Pottenger

Another great circle is the Meridian. This circle goes through the north and south points of the horizon; the north and south poles of the Equator; and the zenith (directly above) and nadir (directly below the observer). Yet another great circle is called the Prime Vertical. It goes through the zenith and nadir and the east and west points of the horizon. An unnamed great circle goes through the north and south poles of Earth and the east and west points of the horizon.

The traditional four angles of the horoscope (Ascendant, Midheaven, IC and Descendant) are all intersections of great circles. All are treated as sensitive points by most astrologers. Using the East Point and Antivertex merely extends the basic principle of angles.

The intersection of the ecliptic with the Prime Vertical in the east forms the Antivertex; in the west that intersection marks the Vertex. The East Point is the intersection of the ecliptic with the unnamed great circle passing through the east and west points of the horizon and the north and south poles of Earth, and the West Point is its western opposition. The East Point has also been called the Equatorial Ascendant because it is the Ascendant on the Equator at the sidereal time of birth.

Both the East Point and Antivertex can be interpreted as auxiliary Ascendants. That is, they function as additional keys to one’s basic identity, action, energy, drive and self-expression.

They do not seem to be AS important as the actual Ascendant, but do offer useful clues to major themes in the nature of the individual. Either angle requires more attention when a planet falls closely conjunct it. This is almost as significant as having that planet conjunct the Ascendant. The planet(s) involved denote major, keynote principles of that individual’s sense of self, identity, assertion and being in the world.

THE WEST SIDE STORY

If the East Point and Antivertex operate as auxiliary Ascendants, then logically the West Point (opposite the East Point) and the Vertex (opposite the Antivertex) operate as auxiliary Descendants. Again, they are not usually as important as the actual Descendant, but do imply themes. If repeated elsewhere in the chart, the themes are significant.

The Descendant, Vertex and West Point are all keys to our close, committed relationships. They symbolize the feelings and experiences we seek through close others (spouses, live-in partners, therapists, etc). Often, they operate as points of projection, that is, these angles can point to qualities we tend to meet first through other people; attributes of ourselves we may learn to face through seeing someone else express the energy. The danger with projection is overdoing. If one person in a relationship is “doing it for” someone else, the first person is likely to do TOO MUCH of whatever the quality is.

So, each angle axis—Ascendant/Descendant; East Point/West Point and Antivertex/Vertex relates to that basic self/other polarity. Each gives us clues about balancing self-will and independent action with sharing and committing to others. Generally, it is easiest to personally identify with the eastern end of each axis. It is easiest to disown and see as “out there” (in other people) the western end.

This potential of “giving away” a part of who we are and unconsciously attracting other people to manifest that missing side contributes to what has been called the “fated” quality of the Vertex. Where other people are involved, we have less control and less power than where we are concerned only with our actions and attitudes as an individual. People who externalize responsibility for their own lives call such interactions “fated.” I prefer to operate within the world view that life is a mirror; we attract people we can learn from. Everyone in our lives is teaching us about a part of our own nature and potentials.

Both axes then (East Point/West Point and Antivertex/Vertex) point to a basic self/other polarity in the life that must be faced. In any opposition, the goal is integration. There is a natural complementarity. Both ends need each other to be fully effective. There are two major dangers with any opposition (polarity) in the horoscope. One danger is swinging from one extreme to the other. It is not uncommon for people to overdo one end of a polarity, then—in reaction—go to the opposite extreme. Some people spend their lives flip-flopping from one end of the seesaw to the other. The second danger is projection. In that case, the individual identifies with one end of the polarity and denies its opposite. So, unconsciously, that individual attracts other people who are expressing that opposite quality. The problem is, they are usually carrying it to an extreme. So, when we see exaggerated behavior, it is a good idea to look into our own psyches at what we may be denying. http://ccrsdodona.org/m_dilemma/1983/vir/epav.html

I actually have Maritha Pottenger's book,THE EAST POINT AND ANTIVERTEX

page 35

SYNASTRY

These angles, like the other angles of the horoscope, seem to be very significant in synastry or chart comparison. Since they seem to operate as very personal points (on the eastern end) and as keys to relationships (on the western end), it is quite common to find strong conjunctions and oppositions to these angles between charts. Frequently, one will find, in significant relationships, that there are angle interchanges. E.g., one person's East Point/West Point axis falls across the MC/IC axis of the other,; one person's Vertex/Antivertex axis falls across the Ascendant/Descendant axis of the other--or across the other's East Point/West Point, etc. A very common tie between charts is when the axis formed by the nodes of the Moon conjuncts and opposes one of these basic angle axis. Such contacts reiterate the potential involvement of the people and the learning each offers the other.

SUMMARY

Generally, both the Antivertex and East Point function as auxiliary Ascendants--additional keys to themes of importance in our basic identity, our self-expression in the world, our personal needs and actions. The Vertex and West Point function as keys to our relationships--the kinds of qualities we seek in relationships, the sorts of attributes we may project and unconsciously attract other people to express for us. Close aspects symbolize fundamental issues in our self expression and our one-to-one interactions.

Both axis, as oppositioons, show themes--by sign and house--where we are working to integrate, seeking the middle point. Both ends need each other. They are nature partners. We are learning to express some of each side, to support the synthesis--the best of both ends. Because of their polar nature, these angles are often important in synastry with strong contacts between charts.

Those issues which are most important for an individual will be repeated in several ways in the chart, including through aspects. The more we can be aware of the rich variety of options we have, recognizing and utilizing the many different sides of our own nature, the more fulfilling lives we can lead!

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posted September 10, 2010 04:22 PM            

But I think for it to really be meaningful, the Vertex person has to have it aspecting their personal planets or points very closey for the Vertex (event) to be a meaningful beginning in their life.

His Vertex/Sun/Mercury/Aphrodite is conjunct my ASC. we met when his Progressed Venus was conjunct His Sun. All of this falling in his 6th house, we met at work.

The above all falling around 14 Libra.. I have Venus (my chart ruler) at 14 Gemini conjunct his Chiron exact. This exactly aspecting his Uranus Sagittarius, Venus/Mars Virgo... My Nodes are at 16 Pisces/Virgo... Sigh there are just so many intense indicators.

They all flow together to create an intense love experience.

Also, The Composite SN conjunct his Vertex/My ASC.

The Composite Venus at 28 Cancer, in the first house. While Composite Vertex is at 28 Capricorn in the seventh house!

The chart ruler is also the Moon.

posted September 10, 2010 04:46 PM            

My Mother and I have East Point-Midheaven conjunction double whammy

I wonder about Julie's Moon conjunct my East Point, and her East Point conjunct my Vertex.

Raymond

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posted September 10, 2010 05:29 PM            

they are under the asteroid list, which is confusing, as they are no asteroids as far as I know. But I don`t know much. You better ask Glaucus.

I was thinking of these Glaucus mentioned:
Eris
Sedna (?)
Orcus
Ixion
Makemake
Haumea
Varuna
Quaoar

You can look them up there.

Congrats on your success and happiness.
Can I ask what kind of work you are doing together?

Glaucus,

yes, of course real tight orbs.
I think you suggested some reasonable orbs with the Transneptunians in another thread. WAsn`t it often a 30 minute orb?

I read about the East Point, but never looked into it. Have to do it now.

Diana,

no, I don`t believe in ONE ultimative aspect either.

posted September 10, 2010 05:48 PM            

Raymond

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posted September 10, 2010 05:49 PM            

Photography!
Both of our life's passion. Interestingly, when we photograph each other our souls come through the images making them really intense lol
Everything we do, we do it the same way. It's uncanny really. Hope you are well DD

posted September 10, 2010 05:50 PM            

Using that article,

His Vertex conjuncts my ASC
My Vertex conjunct his NN

Composite Vertex on the Composite 7th house cusp... 6 degrees away

My Arabic Part of LOVE is at 18 Virgo
His Venus/Mars at 14 Virgo
My SN at 16 Virgo

His Arabic Part of LOVE is at 6 Aries
My Sun/Moon MP is at 8 Aries
My Eros at 9 Aries
His Briede at 8 Aries
My last name asteroid in his chart at 9 Aries

My Arabic Part of Love is at 20 Cancer
His IC at 20 Cancer
Composite ASC at 22 Cancer

His Arabic Part of LOVERS at 11 Libra
His Sun at 9 Libra
His Vertex at 14 Libra
His Aphrodite at 13 Libra
My ASC at 12 Libra
Composite SN at 12 Libra

His Arabic Part of MARRIAGE at 22 Gemini
His Arabic Part of Sexual Drive 22 Gemini
His Arabic Part of Karma 18 Gemini
His Psyche 19 Gemini
His Chiron 14 Gemini
My Venus at 14 Gemini
My Mercury at 19 Gemini
Composite Mars at 18 Gemini
Composite Chiron at 21 Gemini

Composite Mars rules the MC, so this stuff is a living reality for us.

My Arabic Part of Sexual Drive 7 Pisces
His Arabic Part of Sexual Desire 9 Pisces

His Arabic Part of Destiny at 5 Virgo

( We met when transiting Saturn/SN/Venus were conjunct at 5 Virgo)

My Antiscon Mars (7th Ruler) is conjunct His Sun exact.

posted September 10, 2010 05:51 PM            

I wanted to add that I think that OF COURSE we initially have to find strong links between personal planets and angles, before extending our analysis to the objects beyond Saturn.

posted September 10, 2010 06:08 PM            

though I generally agree with your statement, a relationship can get VERY deep and also including shared dreams and psychic sensations if the IC is strongly involved.

I rather think that the Transneptunians somehow "push" us to evolve and to develop our dormant qualities, maybe even to contribute something to this world in a sense, that goes beyond the personal sphere.