posted September 10, 2010 06:52 PM            

Venus wants to please the Sun..........

and believe me, it's true. I've had this with a couple of people, where I was the Venus.

I also feel and have experienced Ac aspects are very binding.

posted September 12, 2010 02:46 AM            

His Sun conj my SN
Sun conjuct Mercury
My Sun conj his NN
DW Sun conj Venus
DW Venus opp Pluto
Vertex conj Ascendant DW
DW Moon Trine Saturn
Sun conj Saturn
Sun oppose Saturn
Sun conj DC
Neptune Trine Venus DW
Venus conj Mars
Venus trine Mars.

There is alot going on between us, the list goes on. But what I feel, and he feels the most is the weight of Saturn. It gives our connection this heaviness. Neither of us have ever taken the connection lightly.

Lara,
I think TF relationships will have some Karma to them. Maybe not always, but if the couple has met before in previously lives, and they usually have at least a few times, then they will have some Karma to iron out.
But I feel like its not done the same as other relationships. Its met quite easily as both people operate from higher consciousness, and when this is the case things go very smoothly despite the circumstances.

posted September 12, 2010 03:27 AM            

I could see how you would think that twin souls have some karma

Seeing your synastry makes me wonder about heavy karma involving twin souls. Sun conjunct Saturn and Sun oppose Saturn is no joke.

I have Sun conjunct Saturn with my Mom with her Saturn conjunct my Sun, and it feels like heavy karma. Her Saturn trine my Moon.

My exgf Meghann's Saturn conjunct my Sun and trine my Moon too. It felt like heavy karma.
Her Moon conjunct my Sun and trine my Moon, and I felt comfortable with her. She and I felt very connected. However, that Moon-Saturn conjunction to my Sun indicate her obligations to her mother that held back our relationship and ultimately ended it.

Our Ascendants were in a 16 minute opposition and 6 minute contraparallel, and so our Ascendants occult each other which would indicate a powerful connnection and the whole opposites attract and complement each other. She and I were opposites in many ways too.

She and I both decided to make our own Valentines Day cards without telling each other, and they turned out similar to each other - Red Heart on White Background with gold glitter around the Red Heart.

I was astonished. She said "Great Minds think alike"

that pretty much confirmed the strong connection that she and I had

but it wasn't strong enough to the point that she stood up to her mother to defend me and our relationship and show that not all men. She could have told her and showed her the Valentines Day card stuff,and that could have convinced her. Instead, she let fear dominate.

She was the one that controlled the relationship,and it was all connected to her relationship with her mother.

I am not going to be in a situation like that again.

any ways...I wish you all the best.

Raymond

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No..I am not a Virgo.

posted September 12, 2010 07:05 AM            

In the course of that discussion, the one thought that emerged in me (and got stuck with me) is that twinflames may have Karma with other people allright, but not between themselves. At least not in their final merging together.
Before they really reunite as twinflames, there may be karma to work out, but not in the incarnation where they unite.

I think the reasoning behind this may be that, if it is true that twinsouls have a "higher spiritual purpose" in contribute to healing of the world, then Karma between them would definitely disturb that purpose.
Cause if they have to work out the karma bewteen them, they would be too focused on themselves and not being able dedicating their time, energy and love to the world.

If this is true, it makes sense, that twinflames have already worked through their shared karma or are able to do it easily, so that it won`t distract them.

Of course that holds only, if the premise of twinsouls having a larger spiritual purpose as in supporting the world, is true.

I donīt know if it is true. It was just a thought.

I also think that twinsouls would be glued together by the frequency of their souls matching, their personality, their inner cores (however you want to call the "inner resonance"), instead of being stuck together by a karmic "work-tie".

They would be magnetized to each other, not because they have karmic business to finish, or because of the familiarity of past lives, when in fact they aren`t really compatible in the PRESENT, but because they resonate with each other and ARE compatible in this way.

I hope you understand what I mean.

posted September 12, 2010 07:13 AM            

1. Twinflames, in the incarnation of their complete merging/ union, do not have heavy / emotionally disturbing karma between them

2. the karma that may still exist between them, can be smoothly worked out between them

3. they are magnetized to each other because their "inner frequencies resonate with each other", thus they are glued together by their "personal compatibility" rather than a mere "karmic work" or "past life familiarity" tie

posted September 12, 2010 07:52 AM            

My Sun at Libra 5'7, his Moon at Libra 6'27
My Moon at Gemini 22'36, his MC at Gemini 22'38
My Venus at Leo 26'17, his Saturn at Aries 25'30 (I think the trine is nicer here than the conjunction).

My Valentine is at Leo 21, his Venus at Leo 18, my Venus at Leo 26 and his Valentine at Leo 23.

Composite Venus at Leo 22'16, and Valentine at Leo 22'20 (and Mercury at Leo 22'50).

posted September 12, 2010 09:50 AM            

I am having doubts about twin flame synastry.

I don't see how Sun conjunct Saturn and Sun oppose Saturn would be in the synastry of twin flames if Saturn is the planet of karma, and its in hard aspect to the charts.

I am skeptical of any synastry that is claimed to be a twin flame synastry for that matter.

but yeah...the last thing that I'd think that would be in a twin soul synastry is hard Saturn aspects

I had an overall harmonious synastry with Meghann and the closest major aspect in our synastry was a harmonious aspect of her Venus trine my Ascendant with 3 minutes of arc. That's because she has Venus sextile Ascendant, and my Ascendant aspected it. Any ways, I know that she wasn't my twin flame. I did think she was my soulpartner.

It's weird how her mother's lunar nodes were on our composite Venus-Saturn opposition confirming our relationship challenges,split up was connected to her mother.

Raymond

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No..I am not a Virgo.

posted September 12, 2010 11:41 AM            

Would love to see a thread with you and your guy's synastry! Have you looked at the synastry, and the possibility of you having a Leo ASC?

posted September 12, 2010 11:47 AM            

I am very hesitant towards twinflame synastry, too.

I think that soulmates / soulgroups can be detected astrologically, but am unsure if this is possible in twinflames.

If anything, I would expect complimentary natal and synastric aspects.
In these instances Saturn aspects could be present, too, if, for example
person A has Moon conjunct Saturn and person B has Sun conjunct Saturn.
There would be a personal resonance with Saturn, that is complimentary (the Moon-Sun-complimentarity).

But usually if I see very focused / harsh Saturn aspects in synastry, it spells out to me a very heavy karmic theme, and that doesn`t seem to be too fitting for twinflames / twinsouls.

But then again, it depends on how we define twinsouls, doesn`t it?

Apart from that I actually do not really care anymore for the name "twinflames", cause I think that love and respect and support is what matters most in a healthy relationship, and it really doesn`t matter if I call the other one my "lifemate" or "twinflame" as long these qualities are present and providing a fertile ground for personal intrapersonal and interpersonal development and growth.

posted September 12, 2010 01:13 PM            

Last year i had a short, but very deep and indeed extremely painful long-distance "relationship" with a guy. It lasted for about 3 months, but the break-up almost destroyed me both physically and psychologically. Fortunatel by now i 've made peace with it and after all, im very greateful for this experience, cause my life has changed so much, and i definetely feel that im on the right path now.

posted September 12, 2010 02:06 PM            

quote:

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twinflames may have Karma with other people allright, but not between themselves. At least not in their final merging together.
Before they really reunite as twinflames, there may be karma to work out, but not in the incarnation where they unite.

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I totally agree

Hi VIG !
I am very happy and very well thank you
I hope that you are the same! x

Yes i'm starting to look at the synastry at the moment when i get a break from real life.

posted September 12, 2010 07:11 PM            

Turns out My Aura is in opposition to his Aura...

I've read that Oppositions in synastry is where souls 'complete' each other...

He said that Aura's being the same means we are twin flames...soul mates..

But I only think we have one type of romantic soul mate... Sure we can have other types, but I think that if we find that person in our lifetime, there is no way we can love someone else like them. Take it from me, sure I can be attracted to other men, but at the end of the day the one person my soul drifts to and always gravitates towards is the same person and always will be.

posted September 13, 2010 04:38 AM            

From dreaming of each other, even going on astral dates.
Having the same dreams on the same nights, doing the same things, our connection is profound, and not bound to any dimension.

I knew very early on that I was completely bound to him, and only later did he tell me he felt the same from day one.

We both felt like we knew each other from the start.
I have always been infuatated with men of his exact coloring and features...and he is the same about me.
I always wanted blue eyes, he always wanted brown.

Besides numerous of the same likes and dislikes.
We were raised very simliiarly with almost matching childhoods...we choose simlilar careers...and now as we meet our lives seem to be blending with him becoming a little more of a home body like me...and me becoming a little bit more of a partier like him. And we seem to be meeting in the middle....and with his Pluto conjunct my NN and his Sun conjunct my SN...and My Mecury, Sun and Mars conjunct his NN...and my Pluto conjunct his SN...there is lots of growth to be made together.
We literally can talk for HOURS... to the point that we have to limit ourselves with the phone usage or we get nothing done.

I feel like the Saturn connection lends permanence to the bond and not necesarily Karma...I mean we really have no issues, we havent had the first of a disagreement...and its been long enough for that to surface.

DD...and Lara...

I feel like you cannot give absolutes, you cannot say that twinsouls have no Karma. Until we have had more dealings with people in relationships in which they know its there twin and the other person reciprocates the same feelings than we have nothing to go by.

Unless of course your saying these two people have never met each other before...and I just have a hard time buying that. Thousands of years of incarnations, and not even one?

posted September 13, 2010 10:42 AM            

don`t get me wrong. I wasn`t talking in absolutes.
Actually in the discussion with Lara way back I was saying myself, that everyone who interacted has Karma; I still think that. So if Twinsouls have interacted with each other, they of course have Karma.

But during the discussion I came to the thought that we were speaking about different kinds of karma.
I was just speaking about a relatively neutral kind of Karma (meeting someone always results in some kind of consequence, of mixing energies, of certain acts / deeds), but I think she was speaking about the usual understanding of "heavy karmic business" like experiencing some rather traumatic things and learning hard lessons through each other (correct me if I misinterpreted you here, Lara).

But basically I think that my view on this depends, if I believe that all twinsouls have a "spiritual purpose" to fulfill in the world, that they can only accomplish together.
If this is the common thing in all twinsouls, heavy karma between them would be very counterproductive towards this purpose.

I also think that maybe twinsoul-sets have different paths before them.
Some may meet often through the course of lives, other may meet relatively seldom, which would probably influence the karma between them, too.

Don`t know anything for certain, just juggling thoughts and ideas.

posted September 13, 2010 01:32 PM            

I have always and still maintain that there are 2 types of soul mate. One is karmic and the other is probably similar to what a twin flame is.

As you know ORBM, i attract a lot of soul mates lol and as IQ pointed out, i am fast-tracking my karma in this lifetime. I believe i couldn't have eaten up so much karma if i hadn't met the karmic soul mates with whom i had all that karma with. Interestingly, i have observed that once the karma is dealt with, interest in the relationship literally switches off almost overnight.

The other type of soul mate for me is the dharmic relationship. This is the attraction of two souls whom have resolved their lifetime karma individually and are now ready to reap the benefits of a non-karmic future together.

I have personally observed in myself karmic relationships where one person helps the other, effectively an imbalance that slowly balances out until the karmic tie is met. After which, the person whom is helping wonders what they have in common with the other person and promptly finds the exit!

In dharmic relationships, i guess both parties meet and go forward helping each other as a team with no one person taking nor giving more than the other. This would effectively create a spiral of never-ending positive energy that would benefit them both as a unit for an unspecified time.

posted September 13, 2010 02:05 PM            

Though I also think that in some instances there might be Karma to work out between twinsouls, too, especially if they have met frequently through lives.
But then the karma is worked out very smoothly, or the final union / merging might take place at a later point. (even a later incarnation).

ORBM,