posted March 20, 2010 01:38 PM         

yeah i did and Pisces was her 2nd guess after Aries!
I am just not a 12th house person. I've been studying my aspects for the last few weeks and they just don't gel with me. I can't be aries!

With pisces it puts the right planets in the right houses and the right angles for my situation, except for my Virgo DC - i never attract virgo's! I wish i were organized like them though

posted March 20, 2010 01:40 PM         

Aquarius MC & Leo IC

6th house Neptune!

posted March 20, 2010 02:02 PM         

Even Orcus-Ascendant,Eris-Ascendant, as well as Ascendant in aspect to a transneptunian object can indicate similar features attributed to Pluto-Ascendant

It's logical to think that Pluto's fellow plutinos, Orcus,Ixion in aspect to the Ascendant would give an appearance like Pluto in aspect to the Ascendant.

The can of worms was already opened by using Pluto in Astrology. Now we've found other transneptunian objects that are numerous.
If Pluto works in Astrology, then why not the other transneptunians including especially the big ones?

The following are the transneptunian dwarf planets, dwarf planet candidates

the orbs used:
3 degrees for all the Ptolemaic aspects except sextile which gets 2 degrees

dwarf planet,Pluto in Libra
conjunction - Libra Ascendant
opposition - Aries Ascendant
square - Cancer,Capricorn Ascendant
trine - Gemini,Aquarius Ascendant
sextile - Leo,Sagittarius Ascendants

dwarf planet,Eris in Aries
conjunction - Aries Ascendant
opposition - Libra Ascendant
square - Cancer,Capricorn Ascendant
trine - Leo,Sagittarius Ascendants

dwarf planet candidate,Orcus in Cancer
conjunction - Cancer Ascendant (my mother has it with only 10 minutes of arc..she has a very intense countenance, especially with her eyes)
opposition - Capricorn Ascendant
square - Libra,Aries Ascendants
trine - Scorpio,Pisces Ascendants
sextile - Virgo,Taurus Ascendants

dwarf planet candidates,Ixion,Quaoar in Scorpio
conjunction - Scorpio Ascendant
opposition - Taurus Ascendant
square - Aquarius,Leo Ascendants
trine - Pisces,Cancer Ascendants
sextile - Capricorn,Virgo Ascendants

dwarf planet candidate,Varuna in Gemini
conjunction - Gemini Ascendant
opposition - Sagittarius Ascendant
square - Pisces,Virgo Ascendants
trine - Libra,Aquarius Ascendants
sextile - Aries,Leo Ascendants

dwarf planet,Haumea in Virgo
conjunction - Virgo Ascendant (I have this conjunction with 2'10 orb myself)
opposition - Aries Ascendant
square - Gemini,Sagittarius Ascendants
trine - Capricorn,Taurus Ascendants
sextile - Scorpio,Cancer Ascendants

dwarf planet,Makemake in Leo
conjunction - Leo Ascendant
opposition - Aquarius Ascendant
square - Scorpio,Taurus Ascendants
trine - Sagittarius,Aries Ascendants
sextile - Gemini,Libra Ascendants

I think the most distant, Sedna to the Ascendant would indicate a soft,demure appearance...especially if its under 1 degree.

I know somebody that has it conjunct the Ascendant with Neptune trine it, and she has that type of appearance. She is a woman of Eurasian ancestry which was very evident in her appearance.

dwarf planet candidate,Sedna in Taurus
conjunction - Taurus Ascendant
opposition - Scorpio Ascendant
square - Aquarius,Leo
trine - Capricorn,Virgo Ascendants
sextile - Pisces,Cancer Ascendants

There are also dwarf planet candidates with no names like 2007 "Snow White" which is the largest unnamed object in our solar system.

Sedna,Orcus,Quaoar,and "Snow White" are guaranteed to have dwarf planet status because they are larger than asteroid dwarf planet, Ceres which is over 900 km in diameter.

Ceres-Ascendant aspects could also figure into appearance, but they wouldn't be intense,otherworldly like the transneptunian-ascendant aspects.

I'd use no more than 3 degrees with them,including Pluto. If they are beyond that, it's possible that they are within 3 degree orb in Right Ascension which is equatorial longitude coordinate that is valid. Astronomers use that instead of ecliptic longitude which astrologers use. Both coordinates can be used for a multidimensional view of the chart.

There are many possibilities for your Ascendant to be.

Raymond

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"Nothing matters absolutely;
the truth is it only matters relatively"

posted March 20, 2010 02:13 PM         

They look at events, and see if they involve the Midheaven which they believe is the most important thing in the chart. They view Midheaven represents the time,moment of birth as well as the individual, the "I"

They view the Ascendant as the place, environment, relationships with others'

They use midpoints extensively too. They use the declinations including even the midpoints.

Hamburg School/Uranian Astrologers use the same techniques including the use of planetary pictures which Arabic Parts are.
They use them like Jupiter/Uranus = Neptune/Poseidon or Jupiter + Neptune - Moon = Uranus.

They include the hypothetical transneptunians,and so their astrological system is not that scientific as Cosmobiology is.

I definitely prefer Cosmobiology over Hamburg School/Uranian Astrology for that reason alone.

Raymond

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"Nothing matters absolutely;
the truth is it only matters relatively"

posted March 20, 2010 02:31 PM         

My daughter have her AC 1 degree in taurus. I must say you have the same look as her but now she is 21. She have brown eyes and more deep eye look than you but she are also a moon conj pluto scorpio.

Because her AC is so near aries and I see the same in you I must guess you cant be one another than aries AC. I guess on aries because you looks more alert in the picture than my daugheter.

posted March 20, 2010 02:33 PM         

But I can't help but think that your face is very similar to my mother's! Although I have to remember in all this that she's a Scorpio sun, which could account for her prominent jaw-line (something she passed on to me to a lesser extent and even though in my case it is easy to forget, I'm a Scorpio sun, too)

Anyway, getting to the point here: my mother is a Cancer rising, and I do see a bit of typical Cancer in your face.

I doubt you are a Pisces rising (but then again, it's different for everyone) because my brother has Pisces rising, Aries moon and Taurus sun and his face is a far cry from yours, and with the same sun and moon, you'd expect at least a few similarities. Especially since they tend to be in the same houses, too.

My boyfriend has a Scorpio rising and despite having nothing else (but Uranus) there too, he does have a bit of a prominent square jawline and the ^-shaped eyebrows. Didn't know what to call them otherwise. Especially the eyebrows I've noticed are a typical Scorpio rising thing.

You do look like a water rising, but I'm still deciding between Cancer or Scorpio rising. Scorpio is probably the most likely one, since there's 3 hours in a day that are Scorpio rising, so by random luck you're just more likely to have a Scorpio rising because it's more frequent than most other risings. It doesn't mean you do, of course, because out of my entire family, there's only one that I know of who has Scorpio rising. And we have a pretty large family.

Anyway, the devil is in the details. Perhaps you have your sun in the 4th house, and your moon in the 3rd. Sun in 4th gives you Cancer behaviour too, which could be picked up on. But then you would have Capricorn or Aquarius rising. But like I said, I don't know you too well, so most of this will be guessing on my part. Especially without a chart to see where the outer planets are...

Hope somebody can help you better than I did.

posted March 20, 2010 03:04 PM         

That's very subjective. People can disagree what your Ascendant is. Some might disagree with how your features are. That can include people outside the forum. Perceptions are relative.

If you look like a Rising sign, it could just be that you have its ruler in aspect to the Ascendant. It doesn't necessarily mean that have have that rising sign.

for instance

Aries Ascendant
Mars-Ascendant aspect

Taurus Ascendant
Venus-Ascendant aspect

Gemini Ascendant
Mercury-Ascendant aspect

Cancer Ascendant
Moon-Ascendant aspect

Leo Ascendant
Sun-Ascendant aspect

Virgo Ascendant
Mercury-Ascendant aspect

Libra Ascendant
Venus-Ascendant aspect

Scorpio Ascendant
Mars-Ascendant
Pluto-Ascendant

Sagittarius Ascendant
Jupiter-Ascendant

Capricorn Ascendant
Saturn-Ascendant

Aquarius Ascendant
Uranus-Ascendant

Pisces Ascendant
Jupiter-Ascendant
Neptune-Ascendant

those aforementioned aspects could involving any of the Ptolemaic aspects leaving you with vast numerous possibilities.

also

in regards to looking like a Scorpio Ascendant due to intense features and Pisces Ascendant due to an otherworldliness and Aquarius due to looking unusual in some way,

there could be numerous options with the transneptunian objects which cover those things if you consider their astronomical features which give clues to their astrological influences.

Sedna-Ascendant can easily seem Piscean in appearance

Pluto,Orcus,Ixion (all plutinos) in aspect to Ascendant can easily seem Scorpion

Eris-Ascendant can easily seem Aquarian and possibly Libran..maybe even Aries, especially with Eris being in Aries for the last 90 years or so.

the aspects to the nodes of the planets,transneptunians (geocentric,heliocentric) can be considered too. The orbs have to be much smaller though.

Raymond

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"Nothing matters absolutely;
the truth is it only matters relatively"

posted March 20, 2010 03:07 PM         

I have a complete full house 12 lunarreturn this month and I must say I have full contact to my feelings this months. It has been very nice months. I sometimes wounder why some people have so respect to just house 12. Sometimes people looks like afraid of it.

posted March 20, 2010 03:12 PM         

Those are just a couple of things I recognize when someone is an Aries ASC.

Your Grandmother seems to remember everyone toasting champagne or something? It's just hard to believe that no one in the family remembers taking her to the hospital, whether that was in the morning or evening, and how many hours labor she was in. Whether the labor was short or long, etc.

Before I know my birthtime, because it wasn't recorded on my original birth certificate, I asked my Dad if he remembered what time I was born. (I had to ask my Dad, because my Mom is gone.) He said he thought it was around dinner time, around 5:00pm. And when I ordered the duplicate birth certicate, it was 5:05pm! I couldn't believe how close he got it.

posted March 20, 2010 03:24 PM         

What does walking fast,walking at a quick pace have to do with Aries Ascendant?

I walk fast too. I even tend to talk fast. I tend to do a lot of things rapidly.

I don't have an Aries Ascendant. I have a Virgo Ascendant

a person with a highly active nervous system,hyperactivity, can tend to do things more rapidly regardless of what he/she has for a rising sign.

As for truth,blunt,brutally honest when speaking,wouldn't that have to do with Mercury and its aspects? Mercury is the planet associated with communications,speech.

I think anybody can be that way,especially certain people that poor impulse control and/or lack tact,and/or say whatever is on his/her mind.

I can be that way, and I have Mercury square Mars/Node midpoint. I also have Mercury conjunct heliocentric South Mars Node. It comes out more when I am angry,being passionate,retorting,and/or making a rebuttal.

Raymond

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"Nothing matters absolutely;
the truth is it only matters relatively"

posted March 20, 2010 03:30 PM         

Glaucus, i agree and in truth i look kinda different in all my pics which makes it impossible!

I walk SLOW... i take long long strides and i "swagger" so my hips swing from side to side LOL

MARS in 3rd could easily explain my attitude online especially as MARS rules my stellium. OFFline in the real world i'm sweet, quite quiet and i am mortified if i offend anyone. There is a connection between the written word and my Aries side coming out that never comes out in real life. This ENERGY in my posts is not me in real life. It is there in real life but it never airs. I am highly creative and exacting in some areas.

The love of the camera is simply cos i have no one else to photograph and i need to keep creating. I love it. True, i have massive hair!!

I am always connected to all energies. I was brought up with that. That is the only area that i am 12th house though, and that can also be neptune in 3rd, 8th and so forth so i have read.

VIG, i am brutally honest and truthful when speaking and this can also be Mars in 3rd also! In real life though i am charming more than aggressive. I joke and laugh alot and don't take life too seriously.
The doctor took her to the hospital in the early afternoon and i THINK she had an induction and then emergency C-Section. We both nearly died and no one remembers anything. My family are hopeless

My Granny said that i was probably born at some ungodly hour in the morning because she seems to remember drinking champagne early - she is no longer here sadly.

I was born on a Friday and a Specialist saved my life so i must have been born before 4pm for this to happen.

My eyebrows are STRAIGHT ACROSS with hardly any arch - i pluck them into a shape so that won't help either!

posted March 20, 2010 03:38 PM         

No hospital records in UK with birth time!

I just know i'm not Aries AC. I read all the interpretations and they are just not me. I can't explain it but i know i'm not.

posted March 20, 2010 03:52 PM         

I didn't know that you went through all that. I am very sorry. It's great that you're ok.

It would be impossible for people to judge your ascendant by the way that you communicate. Communications is associated with Mercury,3rd house,and Gemini.

A person's communication style can be seen by looking at the placement of Mercury and its aspects as well as planets in 3rd house. The planets aspecting the planets in 3rd house can also influence the 3rd house and be similar to planets aspecting Mercury.

I have Mercury in Scorpio in 3rd that figures into my communication style.
With Mercury,Venus,Jupiter,and Neptune in 3rd house, I have mutiple communication styles that are Mercurial,Venusian,Jovial,and Neptunian. Mars squares Venus, and so Martian communication style. Jupiter-Neptune oppose Saturn and square Moon, and so Saturnian and Lunar communication styles. Neptune sextiles Pluto,and so Plutonian communication style. My Mercury makes aspects to Venus,Saturn,Neptune in declinations and/or longitude. more emphasis on Venus,Saturn,and Neptune.

The ruler of the 3rd house and its aspects can be considered too.

so that's an example of insight into a person's communications can be seen from an astrological chart. This would mislead people that think they can judge a person's Ascendant by how he/she communicates.

It gets more complexed if you look into things like midpoints,transneptunians,asteroids,centaurs,nodes which are all relevant to Astrology.

There is such thing as planetary hours. They could give some insight. http://www.renaissanceastrology.com/planetaryhoursarticle.html
http://www.astrologycom.com/hours.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Planetary_hours

I was born on a Friday too,and was born at 3:20 AM after 23 hour labor that include being induced. In the old days, days were measured by sunrise to sunrise. I would have been considered a night time birth born on a Thursday. I was born on the day of Jupiter and the hour of Saturn.

Raymond

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"Nothing matters absolutely;
the truth is it only matters relatively"

posted March 20, 2010 04:08 PM         

Thanks for that Venus in 12th interpretation. It is totally the opposite of me.

I am very affectionate, easily say what i like and dislike without offending. I love cuddling and physical expression and i am never needy or hooked. I just like to keep my independence whilst being and sharing myself with another.