posted August 28, 2010 07:41 AM            

him: http://www.astro.com/astro-databank/Dunn%2C_Grant

posted August 28, 2010 07:49 AM            

For me those *might be*

Venus or Mars strongly aspecting Sun, Moon, ASC, Nodes, Venus, Mars, (Uranus, Neptune or Pluto)

ASC / DESC (ruler of DESC) aspecting Sun, Moon, ASC, Nodes, Venus, Mars, (Uranus, Neptune or Pluto)

(always the Ying-Yang connections being most prominent, like I believe DESC-Sun could be an attraction aspect, but ASC-Sun would be more about compatibility and similiarity)

posted August 28, 2010 10:06 AM            

It's interesting I have:

Sun - Aries (Leo Duad)
Moon - Capricorn (Scorpio Duad)
AC - Cancer (Aries Duad)

Mercury - Pisces (Scorpio Duad)
Venus - Taurus (Aries Duad)
Mars - Capricorn (Taurus Duad)
Jupiter - Pisces (Cancer Duad)

posted August 28, 2010 10:54 AM            

I have been influenced by Cosmobiology and Uranian Astrology, and I can't help think that Midheaven should be included. It's the most personal,important point in those systems. They view Midheaven differently from mainstream astrologers. They see it as the individual self,the spirit,the "I"

Of course, I can't help think......if we use a transneptunian object Pluto in synastry, then maybe the others could be used but the orbs may have to be different. Orcus and Ixion are plutinos,and so their orbits are like Pluto - only a year apart from Pluto. It would sense for them to have around the same orb as Pluto. more slower objects - Varuna,Quaoar Makemake,Haumea, Eris, Sedna would have narrower orbs with Sedna being the narrowest like no more 4 minutes and it maybe even be smaller.

I also believe if Pluto is used, then maybe asteroid Ceres should be too. I think that there should be some equality. Both Ceres and Pluto are dwarf planets. Astronomers have theorized that Ceres may actually be a kuiper belt object and even used to be fused with Pluto at one time because its composition is thought to be very similar to Pluto's. It would make sense for Ceres to be included in synastry. I just think Ceres is too underestimated. I had a prominent Ceres synastry with my exgf Meghann, and I now believe that my Ceres in t-square to her Venus square Ceres was underestimated and was very important part of our synastry and reflected problems that she and I had in regards to her mother.

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No..I am not a Virgo.

posted August 28, 2010 11:22 AM            

I was thinking of midheaven, too.

As for the other transneptunians they might of course play a role, but just within very tight orbs.

I still consider Pluto strongly, while I don`t with others, probably out of being used to do so.
On the other hand my personal experience shows that he is very strong in its effects, while I haven`t had enough experience researching the others.
So me leaving them out is more due to a lack of investigating them further.

Plus I wanted to keep it simple in this example.

In tropical they have:

his Mars conjunct her Moon (3)
his DESC conjunct her ASC (3)
his Sun opposite her Saturn (3)
his Sun trine her Neptune (1)
his Sun opposite her Pluto (1)

her Venus square his Sun (1)
her Venus conjunct his SN (1)
her DESC squrae his Neptune (2)
her Sun conjunct his Saturn (3)

The Duad synastry:

his D Mars conjunct her Uranus
his D SN conjunct her Pluto (4)
his D Saturn conjunct her Mars
his D Uranus square her Neptune
his D Pluto opposite her Pluto

her D Sun conjunct his Pluto exact
her D Moon opposite his Sun exact
her D Moon square his NN exact
her D Venus square his Moon exact
her D Mars square his Mars
her DASC square his Venus exact
her D SN conjunct his Neptune exact
her D Neptune square his Moon

posted August 28, 2010 11:57 AM            

I have an Aries Sun in the dwad of Virgo and I am a MAGNET for Virgo risings. Sometimes Virgo Suns too, but Virgo Asc is my most frequent connection.
My most intense and life-altering relationship was with the Bull, who had a Virgo Asc and Moon in conjunction with my dwad Sun (and Pluto). My calculated dwad Sun was at 14 Virgo, EXACTLY on his Moon.

posted August 28, 2010 12:26 PM            

But anyway...

I guess I should look at the relationship I had with a Libra. I wanted to be official but he didn't want to settle down. I was driven absolutely insane, I was too obsessed with him. I ended up leaving him because I couldn't take it anymore, but it still took me a year to get over him. Although, I did only get over him because I finally got some closure. He told me that he wished he had done things differently and to "make myself single" (I am dating someone else).

ME:
Sun Aquarius (Virgo)
Moon Libra (Cancer)
Mercury Aquarius (Scorpio)
Venus Pisces (Aquarius)
Mars Sagittarius (Leo)
Jupiter Aries (Capricorn)
Saturn Sagittarius (Scorpio)
Uranus Sagittarius (Scorpio)
Neptune Capricorn (Aries)
Pluto Scorpio (Pisces)
Vertex Scorpio (Taurus)
ASC Gemini (Aries)
DSC Sagittarius (Libra)
MC Pisces (Aries)
IC Virgo (Libra)

HIM:
Sun Libra (Libra)
Moon Libra (Leo)
Mercury Libra (Leo)
Venus Libra (Aquarius)
Mars Virgo (Taurus)
Jupiter Aries (Pisces)
Saturn Sagittarius (Gemini)
Uranus Sagittarius (Virgo)
Neptune Capricorn (Pisces)
Pluto Scorpio (Aquarius)
Vertex Capricorn (Taurus)
ASC Leo (Taurus)
DSC Aquarius (Scorpio)
MC Taurus (Sagittarius)
IC Scorpio (Gemini)

posted August 28, 2010 12:42 PM            

I was thinking of midheaven, too.

As for the other transneptunians they might of course play a role, but just within very tight orbs."

Yeah...I agree. I use very tight orbs with Pluto, and I'd use same orb with Orcus and Ixion because they are very close in orbital period with only being a year apart from Pluto's orbital period. All the other objects would have narrower orbs like Eris would have an orb that is half of Pluto's. I give 30 minute orb for Pluto, and so 15 for Eris. Sedna would have the narrowest of all. I think that it might even have to be exact. It has over 11,000 year orbital period. Even 4 minutes of arc may be too generous.

I wouldn't just look at ecliptic longitude either. I'd look at Right Ascension which is equatorial longitude. There tend to be differences between Ecliptic Longitude and Right Ascension, and so the orbs of transneptunian aspects may even be narrower in Right Ascension. This is also true for asteroid aspects too. This could be the same for even planetary aspects.

"I still consider Pluto strongly, while I don`t with others, probably out of being used to do so.
On the other hand my personal experience shows that he is very strong in its effects, while I haven`t had enough experience researching the others.
So me leaving them out is more due to a lack of investigating them further."

all that's very natural

I think what all these big transneptunian objects have in common is evolutionary intensification. Philip Sedgwick said that they are evolutionary intensified objects.
I think that's what the whole transneptunian regions are about.

so the big transneptunian objects in synastry could indicate evolutionary intensified lessons/experiences that they have with each other. The transneptunian person can provide the evolutionary lessons/experiences. If they are difficult or easy depends on the angle of the aspect.

It's not common to find transneptunian personal planets in synastry.

I did meet somebody on Spiritual Singles site that has her Sun conjunct my Eris with 14 minutes of arc which is within the 15 minute orb. She has Sun conjunct Eris less than 3 degree orb. My Mercury sextiles her Makemake with 3 minutes of arc. She has Mercury,Ceres,Makemake wedge configuration,and my Mercury forms a kite with it. My Ascendant squares her Varuna with 15 minutes of arc which seems to be within the suitable orb range for Varuna whose orbit is 283 years. That's slower than Pluto but faster than Eris. Maybe an orb of 20 minutes could be good for Varuna. It's a classical kuiper belt object aka cubewano, and so it orbits beyond Pluto at a steady rate. It doesn't have a highly elliptical orbit like plutinos (Pluto,Orcus,Ixion),scattered disk objects (Eris),nor detached object (Sedna).

I am curious how the transneptunian synastry aspects play out.

I am going to post her synastry in a new thread later on. I am curious about our draconics, and you're quite experienced in them unlike me that hasn't looked into them that much.

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No..I am not a Virgo.

posted August 28, 2010 12:48 PM            

A more complicated method (in my opinion) is below: http://koti.mbnet.fi/neptunia/essays/dwadch1.htm

posted August 28, 2010 02:22 PM            

I think we all live most fully on the tropical level. It's from this level that we can strongly sense others.

So if a person comes along and on the dwad level they're carrying a Sun at 15 Gemini, our regular Sun at 15 Gemini is going to strongly feel that. All our sensors are going off telling us this person touches us. I'm convinced the tropical person strongly feels the connection.

The dwad person is going to feel their dwad placements waking up and being brought out into the world. Whether they welcome or reject that experience will influence how they respond to the trop person (as will their trop-trop synastry).

Like amowls and Izo, I regularly attract the sign of my dwad Sun to me. This happens to be Gemini. Before I looked into dwads I was confused by this bc I have Gem on my 8th. I thought due to that, I should be regularly drawn to that sign, not the other way around. My dwad Gemini placements explain why that occurs.

As far as dwad synastry, it's been a while since I looked but I remember...

On the dwad level, I have a stellium in Gemini: Sun, Venus, Pluto and Juno. This conjuncts my SO's regular IC (and my regular Vertex).

His dwad Sun is in Sco and cnj's my regular Asc.

posted August 28, 2010 04:11 PM            

that reminds me of the discussion we had about the Draconic`s once.
You said the same thing about them, while I had always been convinced that it was the Draco person that feels the "deepest".

IN a way I might actually have been right, just as you have been.
The Draco feels "the deepest" as in "deepest layers of the subconscious".

Nowadays I define it for myself this way:
Tropical is where we are most AWARE and conscious of what we feel, and hence probably act on it and know that we do.
Draco or Duad/Dwad is stirring our subconsciousness; we also feel it but maybe just like something "rumbling beneath" and we can`t quite put a finger on it.

I feel that you are absolutely right on this as the experiences and examples tell. Just look at the Duad snastry of that guy and the girl.
It`s her Dwads that are really activated the strongest. Just look at that exact Sun-Pluto-conjunction in the Dwads. This spells out obsession big time, doesn`t it?

Izo,

yes I remember you were just as passionate about Duads as I was about Dracos. And I am still fascinated with the Duads myself.

The only thing that puzzles me is, why I am so drawn to Mars on about 10-12 Virgo. This is oppoisng my Dwad Venus, but according to the new theory, shouldn`t THEM be attracted to me?
Or is that I maybe subconsciously notice a certain kind of their attraction to me, and hence reciprocrate that feeling cause I am touched or flattered by this?

Glaucus,

yes, I definitely am loving Draco synastry.
I also think that the Transneptunians relate to evolutionary growth, after all they are transpersonal, going beyond the personal sphere of Sun-Saturn.

posted August 28, 2010 05:31 PM            

On the other hand does that mean that someone with Venus on 25 Leo would be drawn to ME, since my Duad Moon and Duad DESC are on 25 Leo?

posted August 28, 2010 06:38 PM            

"Sun: 19'12 Aqua ---> 20'24 Virgo"
yes.

"Moon: 23'37 Libra ---> 13'24 Gemini"
I got 13 Cancer. Did you mistype maybe?

"Mercury: 24'22 Aqua ---> 22'24 Libra"
22 Scorpio

"Venus: 29'4 Pisces ---> 18'48 Capricorn"
19 Aquarius

Mars: 20'48 Sag ---> 9'36 Leo
check

Jupiter: 24'36 Aries ---> 25'12 Cap
check

Saturn: 29'32 Sag ---> 24'24 Scorpio
check

Uranus: 29'44 Sag ---> 26'48 Scorpio
check

Neptune: 9'9 Cap ---> 19'48 Aries
check

Pluto: 12'34 Scorpio ---> 0'4 Aries
check

ASC: 27'15 Gemini ---> 27'00 Aries
check

DSC: 27'15 Sag ---> 27'00 Libra
check

MC: 4'42 Pisces ---> 26'24 Aries
check

IC: 4'42 Virgo ---> 26'24 Libra
check

Vertex: 16'54 Scorpio ---> 22'48 Taurus
check

What calculator did you use?

I am always calculating how many minutes it is in one Dwad sign and divide it by 5, that gives me the rounded degree.

Example:
My Venus on 6°07 Capricorn.

at 5°00 Capricorn the DUAD of Pisces starts.
My Venus is 67 minutes into the Pisces Duad. Dividing it by 5 gives me the result of about 13 degree Pisces, which is the degree of my Duad Venus.

posted August 28, 2010 06:56 PM            

I added oppositions because I think they're still dynamic.
If I hadn't the numbers are pretty equal.