posted August 30, 2010 12:57 PM            

The duad sign will be Libra.

The Duad starts at 7.30.
So, 8°16 - 7°30 makes 0°46

posted August 30, 2010 01:08 PM            

But no, it is not ALWAYS close to the tropical degree.

posted August 30, 2010 01:29 PM            

ASC- Libra 12'47
Sun- Cancer 8'16
Moon- Capricorn 8'31
Mercury- Gemini 19'6
Venus- Gemini 14'22
Mars- Pisces 22'59
Jupiter- Taurus 25'49
Saturn- Sagittarius 28'33
Uranus- Sagittarius 28'39
Neptune- Capricorn 8'49
Pluto- Scorpio 9'52
NN- Pisces 16'29
Vertex- Taurus 12'5

His Planets:

ASC- Taurus 3'7
Sun- Libra 9'49
Moon- Taurus 24'35
Mercury- Libra 17'37
Venus- Virgo 13'25
Mars- Virgo 14'34
Jupiter- Aquarius 7'7
Saturn- Scorpio 25'3
Uranus- Sagittarius 14'40
Neptune- Capricorn 0'57
Pluto- Scorpio 3'41
NN- Taurus 9'22
Vertex- Libra 14'45

posted August 30, 2010 01:43 PM            

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But it occured to me that the way we react to this type of synastric contacts depends a lot on our level of self-awereness. That a person who is more inclined to self analysis and self knowledge would feel his/her dwad placements a lot more than a person without such preocupations, and might react strongly when their dwad planets are triggered, while the other person would react more to tropical.

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I completely agree with that if our dwads represent our inner self. That's the way they've been described, so it's arrogant of me to say otherwise. I'm gonna go ahead and be arrogant so I can explore another possibility.

Instead of being a deeper level of our trop placement's personality, I believe the dwad is where our trop placement communicates on a deeper/Neptune-like level. For instance, my trop Mercury at 26 Sco carries itself into the dwad realm at 15 Virgo. At 15 Virgo, my Merc can easily read people's thoughts. The person whose trop planet is at 15 Virgo therefore easily feels like his thoughts are understood, almost telepathically.

I have this with my brother. My dwad Mercury exactly cnj his trop Sun. Up until he was about 6, he was a poor communicator. He mumbled and his word choice was often incoherent. I was the only one who understood what he meant, so I was his translator. I don't see anything in our regular synastry that captures this as precisely. We have my Sun cnj his Asc, which could show me bringing him out to connect with people. But my dwad Mercury on his trop Sun really speaks to this dynamic we had.

What about your Dwad chart aspecting your Trop? I'm curious what you all have there.

I mentioned before that I have a lot in Gemini on the dwad level. This all falls into my trop 8th house, some of it cnj my Vertex.

TROP:
(Isis 11 Gem)
Vertex 14 Gem

DWAD:
Venus 10 Gem
Ceres 10 Gem
Vesta 11 Gem
Pluto 13 Gem
Juno 15 Gem
Sun 20 Gem

All those dwad placements pour into my Vertex so sculpt how it perceives. Consequently, my Vertex (sense of fate) can instantly sense how someone fits with me. I know from the start if someone's the right partner (Pluto-Juno) for me.

So I do think our dwad placements shape our personality, just not in the sense of being the underlying nature of our trop placements. Instead, I see it as the trop level is what we are (shallowly and deeply ), and it gets shaped by the way we're able to interpret the world on the dwad level. That sculpting occurs where our dwad chart cnj's/opp's our trop chart.

We could feel a unique bond with someone who has similar configurations to us on the dwad level. We sense that they deeply see in a way similar to us.

DD -

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Well that act would make sense for the placements I mentioned, as 10-12.30 Virgo actually falls into the Capricorn Duad!

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Wow! And you're welcome.

About 25 Leo being attracted to you...My Moon's at 22 Leo and it's no secret I'm crazy about you.

In general though, I'm unsure whether we can know if the trop person will be attracted to the dwad person. I believe, whichever way it goes, the feeling will be extreme and coming from deep within the trop person's psyche.

Izo -

The Gem had his Trop Moon aspecting your dwad Pluto. Napolean's Moon did the same with Josephine's d.Pluto.

posted August 30, 2010 02:09 PM            

What I did like, however, was the care and kindness he showed me. I deluded myself into believing his feelings were primarily of the fatherly sort. My real dad wasn't much of a dad to me.

For years I sometimes mildly flirted with this guy. I knew he liked me and enjoyed that type of attention from me. I thought the flirting was just for fun and that he understood I didn't really like him in that way.

Although I knew he was attracted to me as a woman & he frequently joked about marrying me, I truly believed his main interest in me was as a daughter figure. I was wrong.

Need I say that my Cap Venus is exactly square his Neptune?

On to the Dwads... (all are under 2* unless otherwise stated)

my trop JUNO cnj his dwad SATURN
my t SN cnj his d NEPTUNE
my t NEPTUNE cnj his d MERCURY
my t URANUS opp his d URANUS

posted August 30, 2010 04:36 PM            

are you saying something like the Dwad planets are behind the door to the tropical?

Almost like, if someone gets your VErtex, he has to take every planet in the Dwads on that degree, too?

You were asking about our combinations. These are mine:

Sun and Mercury conjunct Dwad AMOR

Jupiter conjunct DWAD VENUS and DWAD EROS

Neptune and NN conjunct DWAD KARMA

Pluto conjunct DWAD SUN

Saturn conjunct DWAD JUPITER

DESC conjunct DWAD DNA

IC conjunct DWAD NN

Juno conjunct DWAD VERTEX

Amor and Valentine conjunct DWAD CHIRON and DWAD MC

Antivertex conjunct DWAD SATURN and DWAD PLUTO
Sun/Moon-mp conjunct DWAD SATURN and DWAD PLUTO

Psyche conjunct DWAD ASC (opposing DWAD MOON)

APHRODITE conjunct DWAD SUN

STill crazy about me?

posted August 30, 2010 05:34 PM            

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are you saying something like the Dwad planets are behind the door to the tropical?

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Well, it's like this. We have all these charts to look at, and I want to understand what each chart represents. I want to see how they're different from each other.

So after years on this board , I'm looking at it like this:

Trop - Our personality. Our reality. Life, as we know it.

Persona - A minute look at our Trop self.

Draco - Our spiritual self. Our eternal soul.

Helio - Our higher self. Different from our Draco bc our Draco self could be pretty sh1tty. Our Helio is us at our most divine.

I see dwads as different from the rest. It's not our self per se. It's not our subconscious self. I see our subconscious self as a part of our tropical.

The dwads, rather than being "us", are a level of interaction. The dwad level is a hazy, dreamy state where boundaries are weak and we spill into each other. For the trop person in synastry, this process can feel incredibly seductive.

Having that dwad Gem stellium on my Vertex means that my Vertex has the ability to instantly read another in a Sun, Pluto, Venus, etc. way.

If my dwad Gem stellium didn't aspect anything in my trop, then that dwad style of perception wouldn't be available to me. I would only see through my dwad eyes when something in the tropical world (synastry, transits) touched it.

posted August 30, 2010 08:29 PM            

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So I do think our dwad placements shape our personality, just not in the sense of being the underlying nature of our trop placements.

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This is interesting.. I'd forgotten that my Sun sits in the Capricorn Dwad. I think my ascendant inches in the Sadge dwad, but I'm not sure (2*56 Scorpio), and I think Mercury was in the Scorpio Dwad. I'll have to check the link out again, when my computer stops freezing up.

posted August 30, 2010 09:52 PM            

You have a hot chart.

It's hard to tell w/o the degrees, but it looks like you have your 2nd-8th axis in mid Pisces-Virgo.

The way I'm looking at this, the trop is what we are. Your 2nd-8th house axis is no typical axis. It's dwadified.

Your dwad Sun and Pluto (may) cnj your 8th house cusp. Your dwad Mars and Uranus (may) cnj your 2nd house cusp.

So that axis of yours feels identity (Sun), intimate bonding (Pluto), eroticism (Mars), and excitement (Uranus) on the dwad level. You're perceiving who the other deeply is in those ways, and how their inner self meshes with yours.

This would make your 2nd-8th axis a major hot spot in your chart. That axis is inherently an erotic and sensual one, so contact there will feel arousing and deep. On top of that, the dwad influece helps you keenly perceive which people with planets there truly attract you in a personal and erotic way. The ones who do will feel like they're just what you need.

posted August 30, 2010 10:07 PM            

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I think my ascendant inches in the Sadge dwad, but I'm not sure (2*56 Scorpio)

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Yes, it's at 5 Sag. If you want, you could list your Trop placements & I'd be happy to convert them to Dwad.

posted August 30, 2010 10:23 PM            

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are you saying something like the Dwad planets are behind the door to the tropical?

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Yes. Sorta. I'm saying the trop planet has an extremely sensitive perception thanks to the dwad planets touching it.

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Almost like, if someone gets your VErtex, he has to take every planet in the Dwads on that degree, too?

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I think when on my Vertex, the other person senses all my dwad placements. All of that seeps into them. I think this can potentially lead to unrequited love b/c they're being filled with planets like Venus, Juno, and Pluto. They're feeling themselves on a deep level being immersed in that energy. They think that energy is "me", but it's not really. My real Venus is off at 13 Cap. A hit there would be a direct hit to my Venus nature. That's where I would be infused with Venus feelings.

posted September 01, 2010 02:15 AM            

Yes, my 2nd-8th house axis is in mid Pisces/Virgo. It's at 13, so my dwad Sun at 14 Virgo and my dwad Pluto at 12 Virgo are right on my tropical 8th house cusp. Perhaps that is why I feel so deeply connected to my dwad chart. Sometimes it feels like the dwads describe the real me way better than the tropical chart.

I still have to think more about this, it is still confusing for me.

posted September 01, 2010 07:34 AM            

"ASC- Libra 12'47"
3 Pisces

"Sun- Cancer 8'16"
8 Libra

"Moon- Capricorn 8'31"
12 Aries

"Mercury- Gemini 19'6"
19 Virgo

"Venus- Gemini 14'22"
22 Scorpio

"Mars- Pisces 22'59"
6 Sagittarius

"Jupiter- Taurus 25'49"
10 Pisces

"Saturn- Sagittarius 28'33"
12 Scorpio

"Uranus- Sagittarius 28'39"
14 Scorpio

"Neptune- Capricorn 8'49"
14 Aries

"Pluto- Scorpio 9'52"
28 Aquarius

"NN- Pisces 16'29"
18 Virgo

"Vertex- Taurus 12'5"
25 Virgo

His Planets:

"ASC- Taurus 3'7"
7 Gemini

"Sun- Libra 9'49"
28 Capricorn

"Moon- Taurus 24'35"
25 Aquarius

"Mercury- Libra 17'37"
1 Taurus

"Venus- Virgo 13'25"
11 Aquarius

"Mars- Virgo 14'34"
25 Aquarius

"Jupiter- Aquarius 7'7"
25 Aries

"Saturn- Scorpio 25'3"
01 Virgo

"Uranus- Sagittarius 14'40"
26 Taurus

"Neptune- Capricorn 0'57"
11 Capricorn

"Pluto- Scorpio 3'41"
8 Sagittarius

"NN- Taurus 9'22"
23 sagittarius

"Vertex- Libra 14'45"
27 Pisces

posted September 01, 2010 07:44 AM            

"b/c they're being filled with planets like Venus, Juno, and Pluto. They're feeling themselves on a deep level being immersed in that energy. They think that energy is "me", but it's not really."
I think this is where I might disagree.
(Is that a first-timer btw?)

Anyway, you say that THEY are feeling YOUR Dwad planets, as if they were their own?
Like they feel Juno, Venus and Pluto, even though these are in YOUR chart not theirs?

If you mean it like that, I tend to be a bit hesistant about agreeing, cause I really think that we feel and perceive through our chart. Sure we can be influenced by others or triggered, but ultimately we feel OUR Venus, Moon, Juno whatever.