posted August 28, 2010 07:27 PM            

yes, I believe that we can see unrequited feelings in normal synastry, too.
Alsothink that the Moon is overlooked in both gender`s charts actually.

posted August 28, 2010 07:51 PM            

Sun: 22 Leo/ 3 Taurus
Moon: 28 Capricorn / 14 Sagittarius
Venus: 7 Cancer / 24 Virgo
Mars: 12 Virgo / 24 Capricorn
ASC: 00 SCorpio / 6 Scorpio
MC: 6 Leo / 14 Libra

Saturn: 25 Cancer / 11 Taurus
Uranus: 11 Taurus / 18 Virgo
Neptune: 8 Virgo / 14 Sagittarius
Pluto:13 Cap / 13 Gemini
Node: 22 Sag / 27 Leo

Josephine:

Sun: 1 Cancer / 17 Cancer
Moon: 4 Sag / 27 Cap
Venus: 29 Taurus / 23 Aries
Mars: 1 Cancer / 14 Cancer
ASC: 8 Gemini / 17 Virgo
MC: 29 Aqua/ 19 Cap

Saturn: 5 Taurus / 3 Gemini
Uranus: 16 Aries / 15 Libra
Neptune: 24 Leo / 21 Taurus
Pluto:2 Cap/ 00 Aqua
Node: 20 Aries / 8 Sagittarius

If Jane`s theory fits, then we would find strong aspects of Josephine`s Dwad planets to Napoleons "attraction" planets, probably mainly Moon, Venus, Node and ASC / DESC.

his Duads to her natal planets (which would be her attraction to him probably)
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his D Sun conjunct her Saturn
his D DESC conjunct her Saturn
his D IC conjunct her Uranus
his D NN conjunct her IC
his D NN conjunct her Neptune

her Duads to his natal planets
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her D Moon conjunct his Moon
her D Moon opposite his saturn
her D Mars opposite his Pluto
her D Pluto conjunct his Moon again

posted August 28, 2010 08:24 PM            

I googled "time calculator" and got this site...
http://www.datedial.com/datMultiply_Divide_Time.asp

posted August 29, 2010 07:38 AM            

yes, definitely.
Napoleon was more attracted to her than vice versa, so I guess this means that it is as Jane suggested (and as the others here experienced it, too), that the tropical person is feeling the attraction more, or let`s say is more aware of the attraction, and hence might show the strongest emotional reaction.

In the case of the homocide it fit, too. Her Dwads were far more strongly touched by his natal planets, including an exact conjunction of his Pluto to her D Sun, and exact opposition of his Sun to her D Moon and a lot of squares.
This implies to me that he felt that she was his perfect complement (the Sun-Moon-opposition), which led to the obsession on his side. He would MAKE her see it his way (his Pluto conjunct her D Sun).

If you look at the Duad-level, the things that happen underneath, and people are mostly unaware of them I guess, you can see.

his Duad Saturn conjunct her Duad Venus
his Dual Pluto opposite her Duad Moon.
I do not have to interprete that, do I? The disbalance is just scary here.

hin his case the planets were kinda triggered by tropical ones, too.
As her Duad Venus was square his Moon exact.
her Duad Moon was opposing his Sun exact and squaring his NN exact.

his D Saturn was conjunct her Mars.
his D Pltuo opposite her Pluto.

I looked at my own natal.
And I found on the Duad level:

D Moon conjunct D DESC (this is reemphasised by the DRaconics, too, btw).
So probably on a very deep level there is a lot of emotional attachment and need for relating to others present, though it might not be obvious on the more "manifest" level of the tropical.

Duad Venus makes a Grand Water trine with Duad Jupiter and Duad Uranus.

Duad Saturn conjuncts Duad Pluto. So very deep inside there seems to be quite some relation to fated karmic things, and probably a great stubbornness. lol

I believe that the conjunctions to tropical planets are like "opening a channel / door" to the inner level of the Duads. It is through these doors that we enter our inner chambers and get in contact with the Duad planets, getting aware of them. Of course the tropical planets "colour" our inner experience.

In my case I have Duad Sun on 11 Libra conjunct tropical Pluto on 9 Libra.
Whenver I tap into Plutonic things, I connect to my inner Self. It probably means that my inner Self also gets a shade of Pluto, not only Libra. Of course this is a Venus (Libra) - Pluto-Saturn (in 10th house) connection again, which is a repetition of my tropical Venus in Capricorn squaring Pluto in 10th house aspect. NO wonder i experience this one so strongly, though it is almost 3 degrees wide and not exact.

It might also mean that my inner and my outer Self / expression are very congruent in this.

Just an example how we could interprete it. The same way we could build an interpretation for synastry, too.

posted August 29, 2010 07:56 AM            

your friends probably see your inner Self quite clearly and are drawn to it.
Do you have natal planets or points around 20 Virgo or Pisces?

posted August 29, 2010 11:20 AM            

I've dated a guy with his Moon at 21 Virgo, my current boyfriend's Moon is 16 Virgo and his Sun is at 16 Cancer (conjunct my Moon dwad at 13 Cancer).... btw, are the orbs for dwads the same as tropical charts? Should I only be counting close conjunctions/oppositions/squares?

My best friend's ASC is at 18 Virgo and my other very good friend's ASC is at 22 Virgo.

posted August 29, 2010 01:14 PM            

-my dwad Sun (DC co-ruler) conj his Moon and Asc
-my dwad Moon (DC ruler) and Neptune opposite his Mercury (chart ruler and MC ruler)
-my dwad Mercury (5H ruler) conjunct his Neptune (DC ruler)
-my dwad Venus conjunct his Uranus and his IC
-my dwad Mars and Uranus (chart co-ruler) conjunct his DC and Jupiter
-my dwad Saturn (Asc ruler) opposite his Sun (ouch)
-my dwad Pluto conjunct his Moon and Asc
-my dwad MC opposite his Mars
-my dwad NN opposite his Pluto
-my dwad Juno opposite his Neptune (DC ruler)

-his dwad Mercury (Asc ruler) conj my Asc
-his dwad Venus, ASC and Juno conjunct my Sun (DC co-ruler)
-his dwad Mars opposite my Juno
-his dwad Jupiter opposite my Sun (DC co-ruler)
-his dwad Neptune (DC ruler) conjunct my Juno (another dw, but each time it's my Juno and his Neptune; I know I fantasized about marrying him, don't know if he had the same thoughts)
-his dwad Pluto conj my Moon (DC ruler), Neptune and SN (again another theme with his Pluto on my SN... in regular synastry I had my Pluto on his SN... just weird and very Plutonian).

posted August 29, 2010 01:35 PM            

-my dwad Sun (DC co-ruler) conjunct his Asc
-my dwad Moon (DC ruler) and Neptune conjunct his Saturn (5H ruler)
-my dwad Mercury (5H ruler) conjunct his Venus, Jupiter and Neptune (DC ruler)
-my dwad Venus conjunct his Moon, Uranus, IC and South Node
-my dwad Mars and Uranus (chart co-ruler) conjunct his DC
-my dwad Pluto conjunct his Asc
-my dwad IC conjunct his Mercury (chart ruler and MC ruler)
-my dwad NN conjunct EXACTLY his Juno
-my dwad Juno opposite his Venus, Jupiter and Neptune (DC ruler)

-his dwad Sun conjunct my Mercury (5H ruler) and Mars, opposite my Pluto
-his dwad Moon conjunct my Juno
-his dwad Mercury (chart ruler) opposite my Jupiter and Uranus (chart co-ruler)
-his dwad Venus and Jupiter conjunct my Asc
-his dwad Saturn (5H ruler) opposite my Saturn (chart ruler)
-his dwad Uranus conjunct my Mars, opposite my Pluto and Saturn (chart ruler)
-his dwad Neptune (DC ruler) conjunct my Moon (DC ruler), Neptune, SN
-his dwad Pluto and NN conjunct my MC (I find this interesting, because one of the reasons why I left him was that I thought he used me to get ahead; also it was because of him telling me I'm not good enough for surgery that I reconsidered my options and decided for child psychiatry. In the end I choose surgery and I don't believe I suck at it)
-his dwad DC conjunct my Saturn (chart ruler)

There is a lot of Saturn action, not all of it good. It was my longest relationship of almost 4 years. We lived together as a couple for a while (see IC and Moon contacts). The relationship happened during our Medschool years and one of the things I loved mostly about it was that there was a lot of intellectual stimulation (see Mercury-Jupiter contacts), but also an underlying academic competition between us. He was jealous of my achievements. I wanted to marry him in the beginning, he said we should wait until we finish Medschool. I believe, though he did intended to marry me, that he only proposed to me because he sensed I was going to leave him. It was too late. It bothered me that he thought I should choose a career less demanding (unlike surgery) so I can stay home with the kids, while he would be free to gain his surgical glory, and also that he used me to gain favours from people that apreciated me for MY achievements. Basically, he wanted to be the star and me, his sidekick and he didn't care to what lenghts he had to go to do it. No, thank you!
*rant over*

I will be checking some other synastries, but unfortunately I don't have birth times for everyone and the dwads could be seriously off.

posted August 29, 2010 02:53 PM            

I gotta have to think about it. As of now my brain cannot really digest that info. lol

Izo,

that is interesting about Bull and you, did not check the other one.

Maybe it depends on the planet being triggered?

Like D-Sun and D ASC would be more about "just being", like in tropical, so they have strong attraction pull towards other tropical receptive planets?

posted August 29, 2010 03:09 PM            

maybe you could explain your theory to me at the example of these aspects?

my D Venus opposes his natal Mars
my D Saturn conjunct his natal Venus

posted August 29, 2010 03:18 PM            

I want to check your second synastry upon the idea I had that the receptive planets may be exactly that - receptive.

"-my dwad Mercury conjunct his Venus, "
In this case your deep seated communicative and intellectual skills would have triggered his Venus, so he might have admired and been drawn to your intellect and mind (though as we heard not unchallengingly)

"-my dwad Mars conjunct his DC"
You - and your deep seated energy and way to deal with things to act, your active expression of yourself (though maybe unbeknownst to you), the strength he perceived in you might have made you appear as the ideal partner for marriage for him.

"-his dwad Venus and Jupiter conjunct my Asc"
Your essence, your instinctual being and also your physicality would have triggered a deep attraction in him, though maybe he wouldnt have been aware at first of how deep this resonates within him.

"-his dwad DC conjunct my Saturn (chart ruler)"
Again, one more significator of your SELF triggers his deep partner needs, made him think you could be the right partner for him.

posted August 29, 2010 03:31 PM            

lol I'll be back to drone on about this. I also want to comment on other things, but am waiting til I'm on a comp so typing won't take so long.

edit- Basically, I'm questioning what a dwad IS.

I don't believe our dwad placements are the deeper counterparts of our trop placements, if by deeper we mean emanating from within our subconscious. I don't think my Sag Sun is subconsciously a Gemini.

Instead, I think our dwad placements are WHERE we can delve into the subconscious.

If our dwad aspects our own trop, our trop placement will be sensitized to the subconscious realm.

posted August 29, 2010 05:29 PM            

DD, I'd like to share another synastry for analysis. It's between me and a Gemini guy who was secretely in love with me for years, which I had no knowledge of. After I broke up with the Aqua guy he gathered the courage to confess his feelings and even wrote me poems. I did not share his feelings at all, I couldn't for the life of me imagine myself being intimate with him. We became friends, but he still insisted that I reconsider my feelings. After Medschool I moved to a different city and he followed me, but we've maintained little contact.
Anyways, here is the dwad synastry:

-my dwad Sun (DC co-ruler) and Pluto opposite his Moon (the Sun-Moon opposition is wide, 9 degrees apart, but I imagine wider orbs are allowed for dwads, especially with Sun and Moon)
-my dwad Moon (DC ruler) and Neptune opposite his Venus (chart ruler)
-my dwad Moon (DC ruler) and Neptune conjunct his Mars and his Saturn
-my dwad Mercury (5H ruler) conjunct his Neptune and opposite his Juno
-my dwad Venus conjunct his Uranus
-my dwad Saturn (chart ruler) opposite his Sun (5H ruler)
-my dwad MC opposite his Jupiter and MC
-my dwad NN conjunct his Mercury and opposite his Saturn
-my dwad Juno conjunct his Juno

-his dwad Sun (5H ruler) conjunct my NN, opposite my Moon (DC ruler) and Neptune
-his dwad Moon opposite my Saturn (chart ruler)
-his dwad Mercury exactly on my DC
-his dwad Venus )chart ruler) conjunct my Juno
-his dwad Mars conjunct my Venus and my IC (and no, I wasn't attracted to him AT ALL)
-his dwad Jupiter conjunct my IC
-his dwad Uranus conjunct my Mercury (5H ruler)
-his dwad Asc opposite my Saturn (chart ruler)
-his dwad Juno opposite my Juno (I never thought about marrying him, obviously).

I'll put up the regular synastry for more clarity.

posted August 29, 2010 09:32 PM            

So, I just checked the DUADS of my current love interest - in order to find another possible clue whether he's into me or not ;-) . Unfortunately I don't know his exact birthtime, so I must leave out his Moon - but apart from that it looks promising, I guess.

His Sun-Duad: Capricorn > my Sun Cancer ("opposites attract")

His Venus-Duad: Virgo > my Venus in Virgo, also my MC

His Mars-Duad: Virgo > my Venus in Virgo, also my MC

His Eros-Duad: Taurus > my DSC, Juno and Ceres in Taurus

His Aphrodite-Duad: Aries > my 5th house-Cusp and Amor in Aries

His Valentine-Duad: Sagittarius > my Moon in Sagittarius (in my 1st house)

posted August 30, 2010 11:15 AM            

I was also thinking all the time that the Dwad person would feel more strongly / deeply, until Jane suggested otherwise and the other`s experiences seemed to confirm that.
So I don`t really have an answer I fear.

Alvarella,

honestly, I don`t think that the Duad signs alone will explain much.
I see it similiarly as in the tropical / natal synastry. Sign background may act as a "cushion", but it is the close orbed aspects that will tell us something about attractions.

posted August 30, 2010 12:43 PM            

Every duad sign contains 2 degrees and a half, so these are 150 minutes for one duad sign.

Let`s say you have Sun on 5°50 Taurus.
The duad would span 5°-7°30 and the sign would be Cancer.
Now you calculate how many minutes your Sun is into the duad-span. In your case it is 50 minutes.
These 50 minutes you divide by five, and the result is the exact degree of your planets in the Duads.