posted July 26, 2010 03:22 AM         

Ron Hubbard's greatest "achievement" is NOT Scientology. It is not his work on dianetics [which is a great topic] nor his science fiction works. His greatest act is a very sophisticated dark occult ritual, a ritual that opened the portals to the Roswell Visitation, and the present mess the World is in. He played second fiddle in this act to the most talented black arts practitioner in modern history: Jack Parsons [Also a top NASA Scientist, so much for disbelievers in Nasa's conneciton to masonry and the dark side.] Parsons was the blue eyed boy of the most avid satanist Aliester Crowley.

Parsons and Hubbard [Hubbard infiltrated Parsons breakway OTO group by orders from the US Navy who could have been interested in Mind Control techniques from OTO. Lets not forget that the Navy perfected 'primitive' forms of time travel in the Philadelphia Experiment, and initiated Project Montauk after Hubbard's debriefing and ofcourse after the Roswell crash. Humanity is given a direct clue in the film "Eyes Wide Shut" where a Naval Officer is Nicole Kidman's sexual programmer]

Will discuss the astrology of this dark act in 1946 Mojave Desert later on.

Hubbard gained great insights from his association with Parsons, and he may have jumped the gun in starting dianetics. There is a strong chance that he was reprogrammed by the now experienced MK Ultra Units to change Scientology into a systematic programming unit. The upper echelons of scientology speak of a science fiction style version of Gnostic Philosophy, but one that promotes fear than liberation.

The Sabian of his Sun:
"A prophet bringing down the new law from the mountain."

posted July 26, 2010 04:45 AM         

I don`t know, everything in this centre was very white, clear, glassy, and yet I`ve had the feeling I have never entered a darker place.
And yes, when I first heard of these "clearing sittings", I had the instant thought of (RE)PROGRAMMING and brainwashing in my mind.
I found it to be very dangerous.
Once the mind is being "cleared" it can be filled with multiple things, but I was wondering WHO is programming that "fresh" mind and to WHAT PURPOSE?

posted July 26, 2010 09:14 AM         

I had no idea that Hubbard was in any way involved with Crowley! ... A 6/8 vibration, karmic cycle; Pisces and Libra...
Opening Pandora's box to the conseaquences of Eris??

Adding Eris and Pandora to his chart and you get a t square!

Eris 25 Pisces (conjunct Sun?)
Pandora 24 Virgo
Pluto at 25 gemini

...And I should add that all forms a grand square when you include the Galactic centre.

Perhaps this venus square neptune aspect in his chart, combined with Pluto aspects show that he himself was manipulated by the big dudes...
All that spiritual absorption and tapping into the ethers? Then seized upon by those in power... Was Crowley a Mason?

Ah got my answer...wikipedia
Freemasonry
He had also claimed to be a Freemason,[109] but the regularity of his initiations have been disputed by a member of the Grand Lodge of British Columbia and Yukon.[110]

Crowley claimed the following Masonic degrees:

33° of the Scottish Rite in Mexico from Don Jesus Medina.
“Don Jesus Medina, a descendant of the great duke of Armada fame, and one of the highest chiefs of Scottish Rite free-masonry. My cabbalistic knowledge being already profound by current standards, he thought me worthy of the highest initiation in his power to confer; special powers were obtained in view of my limited sojourn, and I was pushed rapidly through and admitted to the thirty-third and last degree before I left the country.” The Confessions of Aleister Crowley pp. 202–203.

3° In France by the Anglo-Saxon Lodge No. 343, a Lodge chartered in 1899 by the Grande Loge de France, a body unrecognised by the United Grand Lodge of England, on 29 June 1904.
33° of the irregular 'Cerneau' Scottish Rite from John Yarker
90°/95° of the Rite of Memphis/Misraim from John Yarker.
The Grand Lodge Of England, the official body of Freemasonry, did not recognize any of the above bodies as being true Freemasonry, thus Crowley never was an “official” Freemason.

Crowley quickly realized that the post-Yarker era meant change. He was not rebellious by reflex, at least where old British institutions were concerned. He undoubtedly believed O.T.O. had authority from Yarker to work the Ancient and Primitive Rite's equivalent to the Craft degrees in England, but once made aware of the issue of regularity when having his own French Masonic credentials declined, he was not defiant and on his own made changes to the O.T.O. to avoid conflict. He inserted notices into the last number of The Equinox to the effect that the O.T.O. did not infringe upon the just privileges of the Grand Lodge Of England

During WWI Crowley worked slightly revised English Craft rituals in America, but despite the absence of a central Grand Lodge, he met with objections from masonic authorities. He then rewrote the O.T.O. rituals for I° - III° so that they no longer resembled Craft masonry degrees in language, theme or intent.[111]

posted July 26, 2010 10:28 AM         

Every organisation that tries to cut you off from doing things you really like (and do no harm to anyone) and try to cut you off from your loved ones is highly suspicious to me.

Also, on a side-note, I suspect that after having run through the whole process, you are probably mostly clear of a big part of your money.

Just my humble opinion.

posted July 26, 2010 11:41 AM         

I'd never be susceptible to Scientology.
I am too much of a free spirit to get involved with stuff like that. I even have problems committing to the unity church that I am member. I haven't gone in months. There is nothing cultish about it. I just don't like sitting in a church,being with a bunch of people and listen to somebody give a sermon.

I'd also be careful about criticizing Scientology. Astrology is just as controversial as Scientology.

Tom Cruise was given a hard time for saying that Scientology helped cure his Dyslexia.
I'd be given a hard time if I talked about astrological indicators for neurodivergence.

in plain speak,

I am nobody to judge when it comes to things that are controversial.

BTW Tom Cruise has Sun square Eris.

------------------
Raymond Andrews,
President,Executive Director of Developmental Neurodiversity Association
Supporting the Neurodiversity Movement

posted July 26, 2010 02:22 PM         

And btw as long as you are in tune with their line of thoughts and as long as your family is, there is no need to do that, is there?
It would be interesting to see what happened if people tried to voice "different opinions".

WE are of course all FREE SPIRITS:
I have never met someone who claimed to not be. lol

*sighs* Listen, I don`t want to argue. I`ve had my experiences with the Scientology church and I did not like their way of handling different opinions.
And I don`t like the idea of "re-habitiliation camps".

I`ve seen a documentary, filming the "normal education" of children in one of the Scientology etablissements.
One exercise got stuck with me. A young girl, maybe 7 or 8 year old, was bellowing / commanding an older girl to walk into a wall, again and again, over several minutes. The older girl did exactly that, stupidly running into that wall, back and again walking into that wall.

There was a podiumsdiscussion, and a speaker of SCientology was there, being asked, and he admitted that this was actually an exercise that Scientology thinks is important, cause it is `important to learn to COMMAND and OBEY`.
Mmhp, actuall I would expect to hear that from the official speaker of a paramilitary or military organisation, but by some organization which proclaims the importance of "free spirits", of a "clear mind".
Well, connecting the dots, it seems to me that one `good use`of such a cleared mind of course would be filling it with many, partly subconscious commands, and it reminded me a lot of the brainwashing techniches of military organizations.

You don`t expect me to approve of this, do you?

And the speaker did not even deny that it actually had happened. He basically confirmed that whaat the "undercover journalist" had filmed was the plain truth.

So, yes, indeed we need to learn to command and obey.
Sounds horribly familiar to my German ears.

No thank you.

EDIT:
Sorry, I misquoted the speaker of Scientology (Germany), because I cited from my memory, which apparently is not that good.
He said:

"There are excercises in Scientology to learn to deal with other people, communicate with them better" (so far so good, i definitely am pro-this.)

interviewer
"Can you describe how the excercise would be right?"

Speaker:
"The main point is about working with another person, learning to give others orders."

I am just wondering W H Y is it important for me (or anyone else) to learn to give another person orders?
Am I not cutting their freedom by doing that? Or intending to do that?
If I give someone an order, I am valuing MY wish / my right higher than theirs.
ORdering another person implies that they may not be totally convinced about what I am ordering, otherwise I wouldn`t need to order them, but they would come to the same conclusion about the right course of action on their own.

posted July 26, 2010 03:03 PM         

his Mars squared my Uranus
his Sun squared my Sun and Mercury
his Venus absolutely precisely squared my Saturn (orb: 0°00)
his Saturn opposite my Uranus
his Pluto very exactly opposed my Sun (orb: 0.02)
his Pluto opposite my Mercury
his Neptune conjunct my Saturn
his Moon squared my Mars
his MC squared my Saturn

So summarizing:

My Uranus squared his Mars and opposite his Saturn

my Saturn conjunct his Neptune, squared his Venus and also squared his Midheaven

my Sun and Mercury opposite his Pluto and square his Sun.

posted July 26, 2010 03:09 PM         

I was just pointing out that you probably will not find people who will say they are NOT free spirits.

If you find someone, then I highly suspect, you may have found a real free spirit though.
Or not.

I am glad you are making good experiences with Scientology.
Just like always keep your eyes open and don`t let yourself be blinded by bombastic beautiful bonmots, I mean, words, (but did not start with a B.)

Hmm, can b ******* be beautiful?

I am just kidding.

EDIT:
"(from _Child Dianetics_ by L. Ron Hubbard, pages 39-40)
(Note: ** around a word represents words printed in italics in the
original text.)

If punishment of a child becomes necessary, don't nag and hit the
child and then nag some more. Tell the child the reason for the
punishment in simple, direct language, and then apply the punishment
in *absolute silence*. The punishment causes anaten; if talking
goes on during and afterwards, the content of the lecture is grasped
only on a *reactive* basis and becomes unavailable to the analytical
mind. The child therefore cannot rationalize himself into good
behaviour. he analyzes only the fact that these people are horribly
mean to him."
http://www.whyaretheydead.info/dcs/posts/pulp/scpunish.html

I think he was a very clever author. He sneaks in cruelties under a seemingly reasonable surface.

posted July 26, 2010 03:32 PM         

what I mean by being too much of a free spirit, I am a person that is very restless and independent-minded,free-thinking and doesn't want to be pinned down when it comes to being part of a group

It gave me problems with organized religion including especially Christianity

It leads me to have problems with not just science but even the metaphysical,New Age stuff. I definitely have my problems with mainstream Astrology because I believe that it's so outdated and many astrologers ignore recent discoveries like Vedic Astrologers did with the outer planets. That further separates us them from astronomers.

I was in the Navy,and I had problems with it because of those issues. I did what I was a told, but I was a person that would retort and give rebuttals too much. I was that way with my mother and stepfather.

Eris played a huge part of my life big time without even my knowing it. Understanding my very strong Eris influence helped me realize how very discordant I can be whether I want to or not.

------------------
Raymond Andrews,
President,Executive Director of Developmental Neurodiversity Association
Supporting the Neurodiversity Movement

posted July 26, 2010 04:11 PM         

Here is the Penthouse article: http://www.rickross.com/reference/scientology/scien240.html

Here's a website that 3 ex members set up to help people who are thinking of escaping the cult: http://exscientologykids.com/

The fact that the "church" has the designation "Supressive Person" makes it a seedy, creepy and outright horrible organization. Why would you willingly join a group that doesn't encourage independent thought?

ETA: http://exscientologykids.com/cantsay.html Story of an ex member and employee who was told by her doctor to be on bed rest but the church demanded that she come into work anyway and told her that it didn't matter if her baby died. WOW! And she was audited after her husband hit her and the auditor told her that she must've done something to make him punch her. Splendid.

Also from that article:

quote:

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Money is more important than making sure people get the quality they think they are paying for.

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posted July 26, 2010 04:25 PM         

By creating silence, the child snaps out of his head and back into his heart where he belongs. All behaviour should stem from the heart and not from the mind and I think Ron is more than a clever author for noticing this and instilling it through writings to others, he is way ahead of his time here and if more people guided their kids to this understanding and way then the world would probably be a lot more loving.

Silencel is paramount to a healthy attitude. Nothing is learnt with noise and no evolvement is achieved from thinking nor engaging ones brain/mind.

posted July 26, 2010 04:59 PM         

of course we can pick single sentences out of what he said, and they do make sense, in certain measurement, but all in all I have to agree with Starkiss. The overall sounds very cold and robotic.

You wrote:
"All behaviour should stem from the heart and not from the mind and I think Ron is more than a clever author for noticing this and instilling it through writings to others"

posted July 26, 2010 05:11 PM         

Of course anyone pro-Scientology would say (and maybe rightfully) that Ex-members of Scientology are pretty biased and maybe trying to badmouth their former "church".
On the other hand I do not find reasons to disbelieve so many different people with very smiliar stories.
It`s been many years ago since I spoke to an Ex-Scientology member, long before all this talk about scientology really took off. And his story was bascially the same as all the other stories I read or heard about.