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posted October 12, 2010 08:55 AM         

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In Leo. (so the ruler of the 12th = Sun, IN the 12th)

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posted October 12, 2010 08:57 AM         

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Leo is the best sign to have in the 12th if you HAVE to have a Sun IN the 12th though---right?
What aspects do you have to your Sun, Mir?

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posted October 12, 2010 09:02 AM         

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- hm.. I don't know..

Sun sextile Saturnus
Sun sextile Uranus
Sun square Moon (orb 9)

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posted October 12, 2010 09:05 AM         

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I think Leo is the BEST place to have the Sun even though 12th house is the worst lol

The 9 degree square is prolly not counted.
What do you have in your chart that would give you low self esteem, Mir?

What aspects does Saturn have?

Have you looked at your Dejanaria?

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posted October 12, 2010 09:15 AM         

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- have to think about that..

Saturn exactly square asc/merc
Saturn opp. Neptune
Saturn sextile Sun

- Never looked at Deja...

but .. it is at 19 Aqua (wow..exactly conj. my Mars) and.. square Moon then.

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posted October 12, 2010 09:19 AM         

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Mir, Dejanaria is a biggie.
It is the victim energy

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posted October 12, 2010 09:21 AM         

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What sign and house is your Mars in and what aspects does it have?

Where is your Nessus, also?

Where is this man's Nessus and Dejaneria?

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posted October 12, 2010 09:25 AM         

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Sorry to butt in, but I was going to ask what Dejanira was. I have it at 17*Taurus in my 7th house, conjunct my Juno, square my MC/IC by 3*. It squares a certain someone's 1st/7th axis. Wow...

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posted October 12, 2010 09:25 AM         

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Aha.. well although I don't know exactly what to think about these asteroids .. with my pisces;

My Venus exactly conj his Dejanira
His Venus exactly conj my Dejanira

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posted October 12, 2010 09:29 AM         

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WOWSER Mir
I have a bad composite and bad Nessus and Dejanaria with my guy but what am I gonna do but synastry is VERY good, mainly lol

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posted October 12, 2010 09:31 AM         

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It is NOT butting in, Teasel

It is big!

Picture Dejaneria as the victim energy. Picture yourself when you have had the least sense of self, feeling like you are no one and you would do anything for someone to love you.
That is Dejaneria to me

You know the song---Bend me ,shake me, any way you want me
As long as you love me, it's all right

That is Dejanaria

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posted October 12, 2010 09:39 AM         

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Mir
You have Deja conjunct Mars and square moon.

Tell me your Mars and moon sign and house ,if you have not lol

Anyway, Deja conjunct Mars would dilute your Mars.
It would make your Mars hold back with excessive guilt and self doubt, I think.

Square moon would make your emotions held back by guilt and fear in the same way, I think.

Does this seem right, Mir?

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posted October 12, 2010 09:42 AM         

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Sorry to butt in, but I was going to ask what Dejanira was. I have it at 17*Taurus in my 7th house, conjunct my Juno, square my MC/IC by 3*. It squares a certain someone's 1st/7th axis. Wow...

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Deja conjunct Juno---I would have to think about that.
It is in the 7th house, too.
I think you only use a 2 degree orb for asteroids except conjunctions according to IQ.
Conjunctions can have 3-4, I think.

Not sure, how the square on the axis would work.
Are you saying YOUR Dej a squares HIS ASC and DESC, Teasel?

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posted October 12, 2010 09:43 AM         

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Well, I won't do anything for someone to love me - not so far - but I have been wary of romantic relationships... despite wanting to have a good, stable, fun relationship. I can see how it would have manifested for me over the years - me and my shooting myself in the foot.

Thanks, Ami, and hi, Mir.

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posted October 12, 2010 09:43 AM         

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- Mars Aqua 6th square Moon Scorp 3rd
conj. NN
square Moon

My Nessus (20 Gem) makes a very very nice exact trine to my Dejanira.

His Dejanira 29 Cancer (conj my Venus/sextile Pluto/trine Jupiter/Neptune)
His Nessus 29 Gem (square my S/M-Pluto)

aaghh I'm losing myself in asteroids

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posted October 12, 2010 09:45 AM         

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Teasel
Deja conjunct Juno---I would have to think about that.
It is in the 7th house, too.
I think you only use a 2 degree orb for asteroids except conjunctions according to IQ.
Conjunctions can have 3-4, I think.

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Juno is also at 17*Taurus. I can relate to some of what I've read about Juno in that sign.

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Not sure, how the square on the axis would work.
Are you saying YOUR Dej a squares HIS ASC and DESC, Teasel?

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That's right. It squares my own 10th and 4th houses, and his asc/desc.

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posted October 12, 2010 09:47 AM         

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Yes, Mir and Teasel
I have to come back cuz I am in asteroid/astrology soup, too
Love to you, Friends!!!

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posted October 12, 2010 10:09 AM         

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Anyway, Deja conjunct Mars would dilute your Mars.
It would make your Mars hold back with excessive guilt and self doubt, I think.

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TRUE! (still)

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Deja Square moon would make your emotions held back by guilt and fear in the same way, I think.

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TRUE! (still)

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posted October 12, 2010 10:14 AM         

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I hear you, Girlfriend.
You could say that I am STILL a work in progress

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posted October 12, 2010 10:16 AM         

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posted October 12, 2010 10:26 AM         

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Two friends

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posted October 12, 2010 10:50 AM         

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I found this from a post by Jane, in a thread from earlier this year (I googled dejanira and Lindaland, and it was one thread among many.)

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All my life, when a guy would show he was attracted to me, the first thought in my head was - Sure, he likes me now. In this moment, I'm who he wants me to be. But what about when I'm myself in ways he doesn't want me to be? What then? Will he still care for me or will he hurt me? Since I feared me disappointing him would cause him to hurt me, what I wanted to do was end his attraction to me. This thought pattern - attraction = threat to independence and safety - was with me for so long.

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I can relate to this, and that's partially how I can see Juno + Dejanira working together in my chart. There's also a deeper part to it, when my self-esteem crumbles or is low, that has felt that I'll never have that great relationship, that that only happens to other girls/women... counteracted at times, but an inner feeling that I might already have had that relationship come to pass, if it hadn't been for either of the above feelings: the wariness of what would happen once the initial shine wore off (I remember thinking just that, as a kid: recognizing the signs and the time-frame for most relationships, when they went from good to bad, to really bad...), and the lack of trust/confidence that it would ever happen for me - that I wouldn't have it, for whatever reason: not pretty enough, not lovable, just meant to be by myself - Miss Independent (ha - I'm somehow both independent and unintentionally co-dependent).

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posted October 12, 2010 10:54 AM         

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I "get" that, Teasel.

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posted October 12, 2010 11:05 AM         

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Back to the Male Pisces Thread...

If you KNOW, are AWARE of your partners dream-of-the-future it colors everything/every act/every word in the PRESENT.

If there was NO future.. I was still helping my Pisces because then I wasn't *always* afraid of losing him in the FUTURE.

It could be that I'm reforming/reshaping the PRESENT but how does one know that?

Can some earthy Sun-house (Ami, yours is okay also ) give my 12th some structure, if the question isn't holding the answer already?

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posted October 12, 2010 11:09 AM         

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Thank you ,Mir, but I don't get the question

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