posted October 02, 2010 03:11 PM         

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Ceres,Pallas,Juno,and Vesta were the first 4 asteroids discovered and were originally classed as planets and then later assigned to the new classification: asteroid.

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Oh yes, you're right. And as a rule, I consider those to be secondarily major after the main planets. Those are 4 I don't mind considering on their own.

Re: Nessus, I intuitively believe that on the positive side, its non-comformist in the way it represents those who rise against oppression or abuse (the underdog again) or those who help others in that situation through experience, but its still too new to make any real conclusions. Like has been said, one still has to consider how it links the orbits of Pluto and Saturn.

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What would your opinions be, Raymond and Benedict,
If in synastry, his Nessus conjuncts my sun to the second(15 seconds away)

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I, myself, have only studied its effects natally....and I still don't have a strong conclusion on it, only how I've seen it play for people who have it connected to a major planet.

However: First you should make sure it makes any major aspects to his any of his major planets or points (Luminaries, venus, mercury, mars, jupiter). Me, personally, I'd be looking for a conjunction. If there's no major connection to any of that in his chart, then I wouldn't even consider it in synastry at all since its not integrated into his chart in the first place.

posted October 02, 2010 03:21 PM         

His Eros conjuncts my Mars(exact)

There are so many major ones like this.

His Union is an exact conjunction (to the minute) with mine.

What is really fascinating is how asteroids "color" people.
For example, if someone has Eros conjunct the ASC, they are very sexy

posted October 02, 2010 03:38 PM         

His Nessus squares His Dejanaria

I am not being contentious with this question, Benedict, but where did you get that rule that as asteroid needs to conjunct a planet in order for it to matter in synastry?

I would think that is HIS asteroid conjuncted something in MINE, it would still be big.
I think the exact nature of the conjunctions,first, and then other aspects ,second, is important to.

I am JUST a beginner, let me add

posted October 02, 2010 03:46 PM         

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I am not being contentious with this question, Benedict, but where did you get that rule that as asteroid needs to conjunct a planet in order for it to matter in synastry?

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I look at it this way: if its conjunct a main planet or point then it's well integrated into your personality. If it's not, then its not a major part of you and you won't miss it since its a minor object with subtle influences.

posted October 02, 2010 03:46 PM         

She never said that the asteroid needs to conjunct a planet in order for it to matter in synastry.

She said that the asteroid needs to be in a major connection to a planet or point in the chart.
She could be referring to any of the major aspects that include the conjunction,opposition,trine,square,and sextile.

She was using a conjunction as an example of what she was referring to.

Raymond

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posted October 02, 2010 04:38 PM         

Damn.....I can't believe how much we are on same wavelength when it comes to this stuff.

I tried to make that case earlier in a Nessus thread, and I got dismissed by a few people including IQ who was hella condescending and patronizing, talking to me like I am such a low spiritually evolved person.

"This is what I wrote:

I don't view Nessus as just abuse though. There are astrologers like Zane Stein,one of the astrologers who proposed the name for Nessus, that would agree with me.

They saw the Nessus myth beyond just being abuse.

They even noticed that through Nessus, Heracles became immortal.

Heracles went to Mount Olympus and was made a God, finally accepted by Hera, and was given Hebe for a wife. None of this would have happened without Nessus tricking Deijaneira into poisoning Heracles with the tunic dipped into Nessus' blood that was poisoned by the Hydra's blood.

Heracles wasn't an innocent man. In the myths, he killed his wife,Megaera and children in a fit of madness. For punishment to make up for his crime, he did the 12 labors which helped give him immortal fame.

In some ways, he was like the primary alpha male. He fathered many illegitimate children. He treated women like crap including killed a bunch of Amazons including the Queen Hippolyta. He had a very bad temper. If he didn't get his way, people were sorry. He challenged the immortals. He fought with Apollo because Heracles tried to take the oracle of Delphi because the oracle didn't answer him. He even threatened to shoot Helios, God of the Sun.

Of course, Heracles killed centaurs which were Nessus' brothers too.

if anything Nessus can be seen as not just revenge, but also karmic retribution. It could also be redemption and that is one of the keywords that Juan Revilla wrote for Nessus.

It's no coincidence that Nessus bridges the orbits of Saturn and Pluto. Nessus has Saturn-Pluto-like energy that has been observed by the astrologers that proposed the name for it. The Saturn/Pluto midpoint is said to be Nessus-sensitive. That means that an aspect to Saturn/Pluto midpoint is like an aspect to Nessus.

Heracles dipped his arrows into the Hydra's blood. He killed centaurs with those arrows. This was before his fateful encounter with Nessus.

another thing about the object Nessus

Nessus is the first object whose name was proposed by astrologers and accepted by astronomers. That's an important bridge between Astrology and Astronomy.

Therefore, Nessus can be a bridge between the physical and the metaphysical. Saturn is the planet associated with physical boundaries. Pluto is highly metaphysical with it orbiting beyond not only Saturn but also Neptune.

I don't see how Nessus is the bad one singled out for his attempt to rape Deijaneira.

It's not like Zeus/Jupiter didn't do his share of bad deeds. He actually raped Heracles' mother, Alcmene. He disguised himself as Alcmene's husband,Amphitrion.
Alcmene didn't know it was Zeus until she gave birth to twins. A couple of snakes went into their crib. One cowered and cried
but the other took a hold of the snakes and killed them. Obviously he was realized to be not a full human but son of a god - Zeus.

Zeus raped many women. Poseidon also committed rapes too like the rape of his sister,Demeter. Of course, the story of Hades raping Persephone is well known. Apollo raped a mortal woman that bore his son who ended up becoming a priest of Apollo. Rape of women was a common thing for men in Greek mythology. Of course, rape was a common thing for men throughout history. Women were not treated equally.

The centaurs weren't any different from the Gods in that way. Maybe the centaurs would be viewed differently because they were ugly looking creatures descended from the wicked Lapith King Ixion. They can only do wrong. However, the gods were beautiful looking creatures that "couldn't do any wrong" and they were "always right." If they were questioned and challenged, mortals were sorry. The story of Ixion is very hypocritical. Zeus punished Ixion for his sexual advances towards Hera who was constantly being cheated on by Zeus who was having many sexual relationships with women with many of them non-consensual.

I think there is another keyword for Nessus
scapegoat. It makes sense. Minorities are often used as scapegoats when things go wrong.

Also ugly looking people are often unfairly viewed and not given the benefit of the doubt. It's not the same for beautiful looking people.

What if Nessus is strong in the charts of people that aren't given a fair shake because they are minorities,nonconformists,ugly,and/or born in a low socioeconomic status?

That makes sense to me."

This is what IQ said to me just for only expressing my views. I never told anybody that they are wrong and I am right.:

"Raymond,
I get the feeling that you are trying to deal with your family history of abuse, and your own abuse in life by trying to find the positive in Nessus and any other object associated with negativity. This is very commendable on an individual level but still wrong on this forum as you are leading others astray from the dangers of Nessus.
People have Sun, Jupiter, LOGOS and Pluto to find positive strength and courage in their charts. Even Neptune becomes a source of spiritual strength once understood.

You have been mentally, physically and psychologically abused by your mom, and it is shown in your chart mainly through afflicted Neptune and afflicted Nessus, plus afflicted Pisces Moon.
It is funny that your own case only proves my theories more and more, and yet you vociferously disagree with me, and now want to associate minorities through Nessus? If anything it shows that minorities are still being or thinking that they are being abused in America. I really cannot comment on that but in India, yes, minorities are severely abused, and Nessus/Saturn combo would show that if ever we get the right chart for India.

Unless and until you discover spirituality, you cannot progress. Unless you discover your chakras, know about Universal God Spirit, Higher Self, about past life karmas, Soul Mission/Contracts, Christ Consciousness, Astral Plane, advanced Dimensions and so on, it is very difficult to adjust to abuse. Imposing skepticism on yourself is just denial to releasing abuse. If unchecked, you will only succeed in creating an Alter Personality for escapism.
I am actually worried for you.

Pure Neurodivergence: As in autistic savants, good human beings who do not harm anyone but have severe dyslexia. Aspergers, ADHD. But no adverse pyschological defects like deliberate substance abuse, tendency to physically abuse.
No morbidity, that goes into the mentally ill/borderline psychopath realms.
No Schizophrenia or MPD, that is a completely different topic.
We cannot mix chalk and cheese here. If you want to help Neurodivergents, you have to help them by showing their strengths and preventing harmful medicines prescribed against their will and knowledge. You cannot help them by holding a candle for the Ted Bundy type."

This dude had the nerve to throw my "afflicted Neptune" and "afflicted Nessus" in my face and then talk to me like I have little understanding of spiritual things,etc.
This guy is highly condescending and patronizing,and my mind boggles me how is treated like a guru in this forum.

http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum24/HTML/204892-7.html

I am just an independent thinker that questions stuff but consider various perspectives. I don't have to agree with everything a person says whether it's a scientist,skeptic,mystic, or conservative religious person.

Raymond

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No..I am not a Virgo.

posted October 02, 2010 04:42 PM         

As far as MY personal experience with Nessus in synastry, I have healed much of my relationship with my mother by loving the person with the Nessus on my sun.

How did that work, exactly??
I am not sure

posted October 02, 2010 04:50 PM         

July 2, 1964 was the date of the Civil Rights Act

on the day of that event:

Nessus in 4'42 Gemini
square Saturn in 4'47 Pisces R

The Civil Right's Act's Nessus conjuncts my retrograde Saturn in 5'08 Gemini in 9th. Its Saturn squares my Saturn.

As a person that is part black, I benefited from the Civil Right's Act of course. I don't have to deal with Jim Crow segregation laws which my Black father had to deal with when he lived in his native Louisiana.

Even though there was an exact Saturn-Nessus aspect on that day, it wasn't necessarily a bad day. It definitely was a great day for Blacks. It was a very bad day for many people that didn't want civil rights for blacks.

On August 28, 1963

using noon
Washington DC

Nessus in 3'59 Gemini
square Sun in 4'14 Virgo
square Venus in 4'37 Virgo
square Uranus in 5'35 Virgo

Thank God for Dr. Martin Luther King Jr's I HAVE A DREAM speech that was held on that day. That was a highly inspirational event that helped changed USA and very pivotal in the Civil Rights movement. Of course, it was a very bad day for white supremacists.

National Organization for Women (NOW) was founded on October 29, 1966.
The NOW chart has Mars squares Nessus.

Susan B. Anthony born on Feb 15, 1820 had dwarf planet Ceres square Nessus.

Mother Teresa born on August 26, 1910 had a t-square of Pluto square Mercury-Nessus opposition.

United States Declaration of Independence on July 4, 1776
Uranus square Ceres-Nessus conjunction

NAACP (National Association for the Advancement of Colored People) was founded on Feb 12, 1909.
The NAACP chart has a t-square of Nessus square Mars-Pluto opposition. Nessus also squares the Lunar Nodes.

I think Nessus could factor into the charts of minorities and the oppressed.

BET (Black Entertainment Network)
was launched on Jan 25 1980

Black Entertainment Television is an American cable network based in Washington D.C., and targets young African-American audiences. The network launched on January 25, 1980 by its founder Robert L. Johnson. Most programming of the network comprises mainstream rap and R&B music videos and urban-oriented movies and series. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Entertainment_Television

using a noon chart
Washington, DC

Nessus in 16'27 Cancer
square Ceres in 15'13 Aries
square Eris in 13'54 Aries

In Right Ascension (Equatorial Longitude) which is the coordinate that astronomers use to locate objects in the sky:

Nessus in 20'18 Cancer
square Eris in 20'17 Aries

BET is very controversial. Some people say that BET is racist because it's a television network mainly for black people.

But BET was created during a time when very blacks had opportunities in entertainment

just like Miss Black America was created during a time when only white women were allowed to compete in the pageant.

I don't think the Nessus is necessarily bad. It was bad for people who thought black entertainment network was a bad thing. It was good for people who thought "thank god....a lot more choices for black people"

The Miss Black America pageant is a competition for young African American women in areas such as speech, talent, style, and poise — it is essentially the black version of the popular Miss America pageant. In 2009 the pageant had its "kick off" in Washington, D.C. to rebrand the competition after 40 years. The first teen winner was Ashley Anglin, and the adult winner was DC native and MD resident, Miss Kamilla Collier-Mullin. The first runner up Miss Cherie A. Bryant a northern Virginia resident and the second runner up Miss Janesia Simmons in the adult pageant.

J. Morris Anderson created and produced the Miss Black America Pageant on August 17, 1968. It was originally a local Philadelphia area pageant to protest the lack of black women in the Miss America pageant. With support from Phillip H. Savage, Tri-State Director of the NAACP, the pageant received nationwide press coverage as a protest against the Miss America Pageant, an event that Mr. Savage and other NAACP leaders had long condemned for exclusion of black women contestants.

Aug 17, 1968
using noon
Philadelphia,PA

Nessus in 13'48 Gemini
square Venus in 10'46 Virgo
square Jupiter in 11'38 Virgo

In Right Ascension:
Nessus in 10'49 Gemini
square Venus in 12'48 Virgo
square Jupiter in 13'23 Virgo

This could be about judging the beauty of minorities

The Nessus squares doesn't necessarily mean that this was a bad day. This was a very good day for black women who had a chance to showcase their beauty in a pageant made for them.

Of course, this pageant was looked down upon by many white people as something racist.

even today, there are white people who will bring up Black America pageant as evidence that Blacks are racist. Yes...I have seen these arguments a lot. BET is also used as as evidence that Blacks are racist.

Executive Order 11246, signed by President Lyndon B. Johnson on September 24, 1965 required Equal Employment Opportunity. The Order "prohibits federal contractors and federally assisted construction contractors and subcontractors, who do over $10,000 in Government business in one year from discriminating in employment decisions on the basis of race, color, religion, sex, or national origin."[1] Contractors are also required to "take affirmative action to ensure that applicants are employed, and that employees are treated during employment, without regard to their race, color, religion, sex or national origin."

Nessus in 7'41 Gemini R
conjunct/oppose Lunar Nodes in 6'55 Gemini/Sagittarius

it wasn't necessarily bad day. It was a great day for blacks. It was a bad day for people that didn't want blacks to have equal treatnment

Nov 7, 1989. L. Douglas Wilder was elected governor of Virginia, becoming the first elected black governor in US history. Wilder had previously served as lieutenant governor of Virginia, becoming the first black elected to statewide office in the South since Reconstruction. http://www.answers.com/topic/first-black-governor-elected

using noon
Raleigh,Virginia

Nessus in 1'52 Libra
square Venus in 2'19 Capricorn
square Uranus in 2'44 Capricorn

in Right Ascension:
Nessus in 4'56 Libra
Venus in 2'35 Capricorn
Uranus in 2'59 Capricorn

In the Right Ascension, the Venus square Nessus is an applying and Nessus square Uranus is separating

in the regular chart, Venus square Nessus separating and Nessus square Uranus applying

the Nessus squares don't necessarily mean that it was a bad. It was actually a good day for many blacks with the first black governor being elected. It was a bad day for people who don't believe nor wants blacks to go far in politics

My stuff got dismissed by IQ like my stuff was wrong and his was right, no room for other views

The Association for the Study of African American Life and History (ASALH) is a an organization dedicated to the study and appreciation of African-American History. It is a non-profit organization founded in Chicago, Illinois, on September 9, 1915 and incorporated in Washington, D.C. on October 2, 1915 as the Association for the Study of Negro Life and History (ASNLH) by Carter G. Woodson and Jesse E. Moorland. The association is based in Washington, D.C. ASNLH was renamed the Association for the Study of Afro-American Life and History in 1973.

ASALH's official mission is "to promote, research, preserve, interpret, and disseminate information about Black life, history, and culture to the global community." American Historical Association

ASALH's official vision is " to be the premier Black Heritage and learned society with a diverse and inclusive membership supported by a strong network of national and international branches to continue the Woodson legacy." American Historical Association

ASALH created Negro History Week in 1926. Woodson selected the week to coincide with the birthdays of Frederick Douglass and Abraham Lincoln. Each year, Woodson established a national theme for the celebration. Since 1976, ASALH extended the celebration for the entire month of February. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Association_for_the_Study_of_African_American_Life_and_History

founding date
Sept 9, 1915
Chicago IL
noon

Nessus in 4'29 Aries
oppose Mercury in 6'39 Libra
square Pluto in 3'12 Cancer

Right Ascension:
Nessus in 6'59 Aries
oppose Mercury in 5'55 Libra

in Right Ascension, The Mercury oppose Nessus is applying. In the regular chart, Mercury oppose Nessus is separating

incorporation date
October 2, 1915
Washington DC
noon

Nessus in 3'55 Aries R
square Pluto in 3'19 Cancer
quincunx Mercury in 3'43 Scorpio

These days weren't necessarily bad days. They were great days for blacks. They were bad days for people that didn't believe in equality for blacks.

Raymond

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No..I am not a Virgo.

posted October 02, 2010 04:54 PM         

There is another thing to consider about Nessus.

As a centaur in our solar system, it has a highly elliptical orbit. Its orbit is unstable. It's a nonconformist compared to planets in our solar system.

It is now believed that centaurs actually originated in the kuiper belt which is where Pluto is part of.

Therefore, Nessus can have a nonconformist,eccentric,unstable nature

This is typical of the centaurs in our solar system.

The centaurs named after male characters like Chiron,Nessus have orbits that are more elliptical,eccentric than centaurs named after female characters like Chariklo,Hylonome.

I don't think any aspects in Astrology are bad. Cosmobiologists actually focus on only hard aspects, viewing them as event-oriented aspects. They focus very little on trines and sextiles unless they are part of aspect patterns like grand trines,minor grand trines,and yods that have corresponding midpoint pictures. Many astrologers recognize t-squares as being common in successful people. Those are aspect patterns that consist of a square and an opposition. Exact t-squares have 3 corresponding midpoints that include a semisquare,sesquiquadrate, and an opposition.

In the beginning aspects weren't about easy and difficult.

the opposition and square were mainly just angle aspects.

the conjunction corresponds with Aries
the waxing square corresponds with Cancer
the opposition corresponds with Libra
the waning square corresponds with Capricorn

The exact Nessus configuration in synastry seems like the relationship is highly nonconformist and can be very unstable. It could be due to the Nessus person being that way, especially if he has hard aspects to Nessus within 3 degree orb. I don't view it as being necessarily dangerous. There could be too much emphasis on sex, but it doesn't have to manifest into sexual violence. There can be issues with possessiveness too.
Nessus links the orbits of Saturn and Pluto, and so there is the possibility of control,material issues. There can be conflicts between the material and spiritual.

the main thing with hard aspects is that it takes much effort to maximize potential.

with easy aspects, it takes very little effort. Just because easy aspects mean ease doesn't necessarily mean that things will be rosy. Trines can be lazy, and they can be misused. Trines in bad relationships could reflect the laziness that the couple experience with each other. It could signify the "good side" of the relationship that keeps the couple together even though they are better off without each other.

That's my perspective on aspects.

you can work on using Nessus in positive ways:
Positive - generous, benevolent, compassionate, willing to lend a helping hand, cooperative, respectful of boundaries, aware of the power of life force energy, healthy use of sexual energy

There are over 60 centaurs in our solar system,and over 12 of them have names. Therefore, there is bound to be some challenging aspects involving at least 1 centaur.

Raymond

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No..I am not a Virgo.

posted October 02, 2010 05:06 PM         

He loved me in some way that brought me back to life. It brought me up from being an abused person to being a person of dignity and respect which I am now.

He could SEE me ,somehow, as I really was. He did not see the shell. He saw the dignity and value of the real person in there.

No matter how mad he would get at me (and he did at times cuz people get angry at people) I felt like I was special just because I was "me"--not cuz I achieved this or that or looked like this or that.

I felt like the little squished up me in there, hiding in the corner was loved by someone.
I am crying as I write this.
It is very powerful just like the Civil Rights Movement or BET network.

posted October 02, 2010 05:26 PM         

"I believe Astrology is a science in that it is based on the sciences of not only Astronomy but Mathematics. Without astronomers discovering heavenly bodies in our solar system, we wouldn't be using them in Astrology. Without mathematics, astrological charts wouldn't be able to be calculated. Without mathematics, astronomers wouldn't be able to find out the positions of the heavenly bodies as they rely on mathematical calculations/formulas. Of course, aspects,midpoints,and planetary pictures are based on geometry which is a form of mathematics.

The intepretation of the chart is more of an art and language. There are many ways to interpret a chart. There are many ways to interpret an aspect. Heavenly bodies are assigned certain traits,characteristics,and rulerships which provide numerous variations of interpreting aspects. If you look in a Rex E. Bill's rulership book, rulerships of a planet covers over 5 pages. It's the interpretation of the chart that critics of astrology might even argue could be so general that it can apply to anybody. The Barnum/Forer Effect.

I believe that Astrology can be form of psychology as it helps study personality and human behavior. In that way, I believe that Astrology can be a social science. I wouldn't use it as form of psychiatry to help diagnosed people as having psychiatric disorders. I don't see it as form of neurology to understand how the brain works. Of course, psychiatric disorders and neurodivergence greatly overlap in symptoms/traits, and so it's very difficult to distinguish those things from looking at a chart. Even the "afflicted" Neptune aspects don't necessarily mean a psychiatric disorder. Those aspects are common in people that are misdiagnosed including having misdiagnoses of psychiatric disorders. Besides, psychiatry doesn't even recognize the metaphysical. Even people that are actual mystics,psychics can be viewed as psychotics,schizophrenics and get diagnosed as such.

I believe that Astrology can be a form of religion. A lot of astrologers cling onto to ideas that are contrary to what scientists say. There is so much disagreement about what even works in Astrology. Some types of Astrology is based on religion. Evolutionary Astrology is based on the beliefs of reincarnation,pastlives,and karma. The stuff that I have read from Jeffrey Wolf Green and Maurice Fernandez seems even a bit dogmatic. Vedic Astrology is based on religions the scriptures called the Vedas. There are astrological systems that even use hypothetical planets that astronomers haven't even discovered yet and aren't likely to exist, but they believe that it works. Some people have written books about Transpluto which is planet based on the mistakes of astronomers and has now been proven not to exist. Of course, many people that belief in Astrology is a delusion because they believe that Astrology is a pseudoscience that is based on outdated "knowledge" about our solar system. Old systems based on old knowledge tends to be replaced by new systems based on new knowledge. Even now, majority of Astrologers are using a system that is now updated based on the new discoveries of astronomers. Since 1992, astronomers have been discovering other transneptunian objects, but a vast majority of astrologers showed little interest in them. Even after the turn of the 21st century, more transneptunian objects were discovered including big ones, astrologers still weren't interested in. Even after 2006, there are professional astrologers that didn't even know about Eris
which made great news as an object larger than Pluto and got Pluto demoted as dwarf planet. Astrologers can be hypocritical, saying that Astronomers' findings don't change their system. Well...Ceres,Pallas,Juno,and Vesta were classed as planets for 40 years. Well.....most astrologers don't include those objects as planets in their solar system. Astronomers discovered Uranus,Neptune,and Pluto, and vast majority of Western astrologers use those objects in their systems. Therefore, astrologers have adapted to the discoveries of astronomers. It's just that they have been selective. It's like them choosing what's convenient for them to use and doesn't complicate their system. Western Astrologers are not much different from Vedic Astrologers in that way.

I believe it's a combination of physical science, social science,philosophy,religion, art,and language.

I don't believe that it's just a science.

There are forms of Astrology that I haven't seem much in this forum. Those are Political Astrology and Sociological Astrology.

The latter tends to be very controversial, especially if you discuss about race relations matters. As a person who is part African American, I wonder if Dr. Martin Luther King Jr.'s t-square of Moon in Pisces in 12th square the opposition of Mars in Gemini in 3rd and Saturn in Sagittarius in 9th was about his emotional idealism in the face of fighting against the racist segregation laws as well as as the anger that he probably felt from being restricted in society because of his race. I wonder if the American Slavery's Eris in 11'14 Gemini (the same as my Midheaven) with the Sabian Symbol: The Negro Girl Fights for Independence in the City in strong aspect to a person's chart has to do with not only the pastlife karma of African American slavery but also be connected to the present African American community. Is it any coincidence that I have an Africano-Africa-Chiron-Eris conjunction that sextiles my Midheaven in 11'14 Gemini? What if my t-square of Moon in Pisces in 6th square the opposition of Saturn in Gemini in 9th and Neptune in Sagittarius in 3rd is not only about my being a neurodivergent (very rightbrained) that has problems neurotypical society, but also a multiracial person and part black that has experiences with racism and yet is very emotionally idealistic but is pessimistic about race relations. What if the Moon square Saturn-Neptune opposition is more about my emotional conflict of identifying myself as Black (Saturn according to Rex E Bill's rulership book) or identifying myself as Mulatto (Neptune according to Rex E Bill's rulership book). It's no coincidence that I have Moon conjunct the asteroid, White within half a degree orb,and it's involved in my t-square, reflecting the emotional conflicts of being part white from having a white mother and the challenges of embracing both my white heritage as people try to fit me into a racial box in the name of the "one drop rule".

Wouldn't a Sun trine Jupiter-Uranus manifest differently for a white person and a black person if born in 1840 during the slavery days. The white person born with that aspect might becomes an entrepreneur, rich,famous,and travel to another country. What about the black person? He has no freedom to go any where. Maybe he travels far to a different state because he is being sold and then later on it's gets a job, driving a wagon which leads him to travel. Maybe he is lucky in that he becomes a supervisor of his fellow slaves and gets to eat his Master's food. Maybe later, he runs away to actual freedom.

In the early 1960's, wouldn't a black person with Sun in Aquarius be rebellious any way without the Sun in Aquarius, fed up with the laws of Jim Crow segregation laws.
Rosa Parks who got arrested for refusing to give her seat to a white man had Sun in Aquarius. Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. had Mercury in Aquarius, and he did spoke out against segregation. I have Mars in Aquarius would my activism be mistaken for "angry black man" syndrome.

Some astrologers focus on retrograde Saturn as having to do with father being absent. This is true for me. I never knew my African American father. I am no different many others that are part African American that had African American fathers that are out of the picture. It's a common problem in American society.

Would it be racist for me to say that my being part African American has factored into my struggling to accept a lot of New Age views. I don't think so. When I go to New Age functions, I hardly see any black people.

The 1960's was time of the Hippy Movement , but it was also a time when blacks were fighting for civil rights. "

IQ's response was

"This is a classical effect of very strong Neptune in charts. You will have the talent to justify any philosophy but will not be able to take a firm decision. This will help in collecting and assimilating information but will be an obstacle in the decisive utilization of that very information. You will be able to identify problems with aplomb but fail in giving practical solutions.

To overcome the weakness of these aspects, one has to look into the Cardinal Signs, and identify with the positive traits of those planets.

If you send me 20 charts of non psychopathic, non sociopathic, Neurodivergents diagnosed as such by non psychiatrists [because you distrust psychiatry], then in a month's time I can give you a near perfect astrological formula to identify pure Neurodivergents. You need not struggle for years with your organization, you can make it a winning organization in 2-3 months and quickly raise awareness in official corridors. "
http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum24/HTML/204892-6.html

More condescension and patronizing.
He threw my very strong Neptune stuff in my face to dimiss like I am don't understand what I am talking about.

not only that he thinks that come up with near perfect astrological formula to identify pure neurodivergents. The thing is that pure neurodivergence isn't really that common because it's common for them to have other things like depression,anxiety,personality disorders and even certain health problems like asthma. Not to mention, there is very strong overlap in symptoms/traits between neurodivergent conditions and psychiatric illnesses like schizophrenia and bipolar.

This dude talks like he has the answers to everything.

I am interested in neurodivegent indicators too,but I'd never say that I can come to a near perfect indicator for them. I always say that it could be impossible to find clear indicators for them because of the overlap with other things as I mentioned.

I don't really think that he's not much different from Venusdeindia aka Venusdelyonesse who was going on and on about her highly spiritual evolution,finding her twin soul,and having pastlives as some wife of a pharaoh,and even an Atlantean Goddess

One of her last words when she left the forum for good was "pathetic retards"
She even referred to somebody as an idiot who thinks that he knows astrology because what he knows what a trine is. I am very sure that she was referring to me. I understand Astrology beyond just a trine, study.

She went on about how she is going to just be at an astrology forum that has more spiritual advanced people.

This woman claims to be give Reiki healings and other good works.

This was the same woman that called me names when I pointed out the problems that the Dalits have in India. She even referred to me as having whacked out ego issues, but it was ok for her to claim to have a reincarnation as the first woman on Earth - Eve, blonde haired and blue eyed and an Atlantean goddess.
Then after I confronted her, she backtracked.

imho I exposed her for her true colors which she was already revealing in the Global Unity forum, and she's gone from this forum as a result

I see very similar stuff from IQ in regards to if people disagree with his views, he has this "highly spiritually evolved" personality whose views can't be questioned and if people do question him, then they are spiritually ignorant.

He is like the guru of Lindaland. I have talked to other people about my concerns, and they agree with me.

Raymond

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No..I am not a Virgo.

posted October 02, 2010 05:33 PM         

Someone(who is still here, btw) called me a Narcissist who hides behind a charming veneer but is a wolf in sheep's clothing.
At least, she called me charming .

You are AWESOME,Raymond. You know who you are after terrible struggles which would have put most people in the ground.
You handle yourself with respect and dignity.
THAT is who you are,in my opinion