posted August 01, 2010 02:15 PM            

don't you know that there are men on the autistic spectrum that are like that?????

You are describing what many men with Autistic Spectrum (including Aspergers Syndrome) experience.

for example:

"I would like to address these questions in this piece. My problems are many. I have been fired from multiple jobs and had to retire from paid work at 51 (I am 52 now). I have never had a girlfriend." http://www.jonathans-stories.com/non-fiction/neurodiv.html

That's from an autistic man named Jonathan Mitchell who is an opponent of the Neurodiversity Movement.

Many neurodivergents experience that.

That doesn't mean that they are abusers.

Here is some stuff correlating with my neurodivergent perspective:

I want to give show you a little stuff from Developmental Adult Neuro-Diversity Association (DANDA) wrote

Social Skills/Behavioural Problems:
• Timidity/aggressiveness, due to lack of confidence and self esteem
• Communicating misleading body language
• Problems interpreting body language of others
• Difficulty working out the unwritten ‘rules’ in work or a social setting
• Inappropriate/spontaneous comments
• Difficulty listening, especially in groups
• Phobias and obsessive/compulsive behaviour
• Impulsive and/or erratic behaviour/outbursts
• Easily frustrated, difficulty controlling impatience, argumentative/defiant http://www.danda.org.uk/pages/about-danda.php

This is from Dyspraxia Foundation:

Emotion and behavior:

* Difficulty in listening to people, especially in large groups. Can be tactless, interrupt frequently. Problems with team work
* Difficulty in picking up non-verbal signals or in judging tone or pitch of voice in themselves and or others. Tendency to take things literally. May listen but not understand
* Slow to adapt to new or unpredictable situations. Sometimes avoids them altogether
* Impulsive. Tendency to be easily frustrated, wanting immediate gratification
* Tendency to be erratic have 'good and bad days'
* Tendency to opt out of things that are too difficult

Emotions as a result of difficulties experienced:

* Tend to get stressed, depressed and anxious easily
* May have difficulty sleeping
* Prone to low self-esteem, emotional outbursts, phobias, fears, obsessions, compulsions and addictive behavior
http://www.dyspraxiausa.org/index.php/Adult-Symptoms.html

Top 5 Emotional Difficulties of
People with Learning Disabilities http://ldpride.net/emotions.htm

Those aforementioned things that many neurodivergents including Dyspraxics experience could be why many of them have no relationships,no job,and/or history of alcohol/stress management issues.

You have to see the big picture

I am no different from my fellow neurodivergents,Dyspraxics when it comes to these things, and I am not an abuser.
That goes with many other neurodivergents,Dyspraxics too.

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Raymond Andrews,
President,Executive Director of Developmental Neurodiversity Association
Supporting the Neurodiversity Movement

posted August 01, 2010 03:25 PM            

As a centaur in our solar system, it has a highly elliptical orbit. Its orbit is unstable. It's a nonconformist compared to planets in our solar system.

It is now believed that centaurs actually originated in the kuiper belt which is where Pluto is part of.

Therefore, Nessus can have a nonconformist,eccentric,unstable nature

This is typical of the centaurs in our solar system.

The centaurs named after male characters like Chiron,Nessus have orbits that are more elliptical,eccentric than centaurs named after female characters like Chariklo,Hylonome.

my Nessus aspects:

Nessus in 20'56 Gemini R in 10th
quincunx Venus in 21'47 Scorpio in 3rd
sesquiquadrate Sun in 5'20 Scorpio - '36

nonconformist love naturevalues,relating as well as nonconformist ego,self expression

In Right Ascension:
Nessus in 19'08 Gemini R
square Haumea in 20'15 Virgo
sextile Eris in 19'32 Aries R
quincunx Venus in 19'22 Scorpio

I have closer orbed Venus quincunx Nessus in Right Ascension, and I have a yod of Venus quincunx the sextile of Nessus and Eris. It's a highly nonconformist configuration because Eris is a transneptunian object and has a highly elliptical,eccentric orbit as a scattered disk object. Highly nonconformist love nature,values,relating

In Heliocentric Chart (Higher Self):
Nessus in 19'14 Gemini
oppose Mercury in 17'01 Sagittarius
quintile Mars - '18

My Mercury oppose Nessus can indicate a nonconformist thinker. The Mars quintile Nessus can indicate nonconformist creative energy drive.

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Raymond Andrews,
President,Executive Director of Developmental Neurodiversity Association
Supporting the Neurodiversity Movement

posted August 01, 2010 03:32 PM            

Ami

posted August 01, 2010 03:57 PM            

I don't think any aspects in Astrology are bad. Cosmobiologists actually focus on only hard aspects, viewing them as event-oriented aspects. They focus very little on trines and sextiles unless they are part of aspect patterns like grand trines,minor grand trines,and yods that have corresponding midpoint pictures. Many astrologers recognize t-squares as being common in successful people. Those are aspect patterns that consist of a square and an opposition. Exact t-squares have 3 corresponding midpoints that include a semisquare,sesquiquadrate, and an opposition.

In the beginning aspects weren't about easy and difficult.

the opposition and square were mainly just angle aspects.

the conjunction corresponds with Aries
the waxing square corresponds with Cancer
the opposition corresponds with Libra
the waning square corresponds with Capricorn

The exact Nessus configuration in synastry seems like the relationship is highly nonconformist and can be very unstable. It could be due to the Nessus person being that way, especially if he has hard aspects to Nessus within 3 degree orb. I don't view it as being necessarily dangerous. There could be too much emphasis on sex, but it doesn't have to manifest into sexual violence. There can be issues with possessiveness too.
Nessus links the orbits of Saturn and Pluto, and so there is the possibility of control,material issues. There can be conflicts between the material and spiritual.

the main thing with hard aspects is that it takes much effort to maximize potential.

with easy aspects, it takes very little effort. Just because easy aspects mean ease doesn't necessarily mean that things will be rosy. Trines can be lazy, and they can be misused. Trines in bad relationships could reflect the laziness that the couple experience with each other. It could signify the "good side" of the relationship that keeps the couple together even though they are better off without each other.

That's my perspective on aspects.

you can work on using Nessus in positive ways:
Positive - generous, benevolent, compassionate, willing to lend a helping hand, cooperative, respectful of boundaries, aware of the power of life force energy, healthy use of sexual energy

There are over 60 centaurs in our solar system,and over 12 of them have names. Therefore, there is bound to be some challenging aspects involving at least 1 centaur.

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Raymond Andrews,
President,Executive Director of Developmental Neurodiversity Association
Supporting the Neurodiversity Movement

posted August 02, 2010 05:54 AM            

I am asking you again, on behalf of everybody who is curious about your true stand:

Is Astrology a valid science or not?
If so, why do you belittle it?

If you think Astrology is not a science, why on earth are you utilizing any form of astrology in your Neurodivergence study? To connect any astronomical body to any aspect of human behaviour is ASTROLOGY.

Last but not the least, are you a member in any other astrology forum, and have you made similar comments about "having a problem with astrology" and that "Astrology is not a valid science" in those forums? I am keen to see reactions to your similar writings in other astrology forums.
You do realize that astronomy forums outnumber astrology numbers substantially on the web, and we do not need astrology critics on this forum where many people with faith and experience in astrology's working come to ask questions. We need here only critics and debates on astrological conclusions, not on astrology's validity as a mathematically proven psychological science. [Debates about astrological validity can be taken up on Linda Land can be taken up on Divine Diversities forum].

You must also realize that you yourself have given many readings and continue to do so.
How is anyone here to respect your astrological points if you do not take a stand that Astrology is a valid science or not?

So tell me, Is Astrology a science or not? Yes or No?

You posted on 31st July:
<<
IMHO I don't view Astrology as a science.
>>

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http://tamsoft.co.in/articles.html

posted August 02, 2010 08:16 AM            

Forensic Astrology: Case Study of Denis Rader
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
When transit NEGATIVE POTENTIAL Asteroid conjuncts DRIVING PLANET/ASTEROID in the sky, and this macabre conjunction exactly aspects NESSUS or DEJANIRA in the already afflicted chart of the Psychopath, he is inspired to act.

This is info that can save lives in the future should Police Forensics Teams apply astrological profiling of suspects who were in custody but are out on parole or have completed their terms.
[Note: The police will not look for and arrest neurodivergents, but for known offenders and psychologically profiled cases]

In the chart of Dennis Rader [known as BTK]:

He has Sun conj KARMA in Pisces, which is not a bad placement but goes bad when other negatives accumulate in charts.
Like his KAALI conj LUST square Mars.
NESSUS quincunx Retro Neptune exact, a deadly aspect when it comes to psychopathic mental illness in natives with LUST sq Mars.

His first attacks were when Transit LUCIFER and Transit NESSUS were trine, Transit Mars squared his Pluto and Transit KARMA was 1.5 degrees away from his Natal DEJANIRA.

His second attack:
Tr Sun conj Tr KAALI [a dreadful time]
Tr Mars conj his EROS
Tr Pluto quinucnx his NESSUS
Tr Venus conjunct Natal Dejanira [Trigger]

His 3rdth attack had Transit Moon conj Mars conj KAALI conjunct Natal DEJANIRA.
Tr NESSUS conj Saturn and Tr LUCIFER wuincunx Natal NESSUS.

His 4th attack had Saturn opp DEJANIRA, and many afflictions to his natal KAALi conj LUST. Sun was exactly conjunct Neptune, which would always spur any Piscean to do good if he is choosing good and evil if choosing evil.

His 5th attack had Tr Mars sq Natal DEJANIRA as trigger but also had Tr Sun conj Tr EROS bang on his Natal NESSUS.
Transit KAALI, Tr Moon, Natal Moon and True Node were in a T-Square as well.

His 6th attack had Tr NESSUS opp DEJANIRA and Tr Moon conj DEJANIRA as trigger
since Tr Pluto was exactly opp NESSUS.
Also Tr Neptune exactly opposed Saturn, Transit Saturn quincunx Saturn and Transit Mars trine LUST.

The last documented attack again had Mars square Natal DEJANIRA [All Mars square triggers are when Mars is ahead of Dejanira in his chart...], Moon had just transit Dejanira.

In the skies, Sun conj True Node, KAALI and LUCIFER were trine and EROS conj LUST. Transit Pluto trined his natal EROS which would have been charged up due to the astrological positions of that day.

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It is perverse ignorance to pretend that a mental problem does not exist in people with exact Nessus Afflictions and Neptune/Moon/Mars afflictions. If an Astro-Radar had been invented, more than a dozen girls would not
have been butchered by Fred West and Rosemary West. These two psychos in addition to many adverse aspects have Nessus opposed Mercury , same orb of 1.2 degrees! Law of Attraction at play in getting two psychos together. And for the skeptics who disbelieve in Numerology/LOA, let it be noted that Fred West and Rosemary West were both born on a 29th, a very difficult date, that needs patience to succeed. The couple were quite impatient with their macabre desires indeed.

posted August 02, 2010 10:47 AM            

I will even go further and say that I even have that I have perverse retardation.

i just don't share your views.

That's not necessarily ignorance nor retardation.

That's just diversity.

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Raymond Andrews,
President,Executive Director of Developmental Neurodiversity Association
Supporting the Neurodiversity Movement

posted August 02, 2010 10:59 AM              

my eldest sister also told me that those born at days 29 are people who deeply suffered in previous lifes.as you know John was born at day 29th september 1982,and my sister said that by the fact that he had 3 9´s there,along with the number 29 says that he suffered a lot,really but that in this lifetime will not be like that.

Why do you say that they need a lot of patience?

posted August 02, 2010 01:03 PM            

quote:

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It is perverse ignorance to pretend that a mental problem does not exist in people with exact Nessus Afflictions and Neptune/Moon/Mars afflictions.

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iQ, you know I always enjoy reading what you share on LL but I have to respectfully disagree with you here. I have a Moon & Neptune affliction + Nessus square Venus (2°), and Nessus also makes an exact square to my Lust among other Scorpio asteroid stellium.

I don't do any drugs, haven't even had any serious mental problems besides depression from time to time while growing up (and why wouldn't I, given the way I was treated?), I'm NOT a killer, I'm not abusing anyone. Being on the other end of abuse made me a better person. I think it really is ALL about choice. I hadn't been depressed since I've been on my own. Yes, I've been emotionally abusive before, but I was a KID then, I know better now. Everyone gets a little down at one point in their lives, that's life.

posted August 02, 2010 01:09 PM            

Astrologers´ proposals on the naming of the third centaur were officially accepted
Robert von Heeren, 5/21/1997

In April 1997 the International Astronomical Union (IAU) accepted a proposal on the naming of a small planet made by astrologers, for the first time in its history. The planet in question is the third centaur "1993 HA2" discovered in April 1993 (click here for the discovery-chart of Nessus). It has now officially been named "Nessus" (latin for greek "Nessos"). The suggestion having been made by Dieter Koch, Zane Stein and myself. The naming was officially announced by global email on the 22nd April 1997, 22h10 UT from the Smithsonian Astrophysical Observatory in Cambridge, USA-MA (diagram 1. Nessus is indicatively located exactly at the third cusp in this natal chart). Nessus is now the third named centaur - after the two formerly discovered centaurs Chiron and Pholus. The centaurs are a tiny group of (to date) seven small planets with unusual properties: neither conventional comets, nor typical asteroids. At the same time, they possess qualities prevalent in both. They travel along extremely differentiated and primarily particularly elliptical orbits in the outer solar sytem. Their origin most probably lies in the Kuiper Belt beyond the orbits of Neptune and Pluto. Torn out of the belt by the force of Neptune millions of years ago, they were thereupon catapulted into the inner solar system where they assumed their present orbit in time. They generally touch or cross the orbits of the main planets and thus have long orbital periods of 49 (Chiron) to c. 123 years (Nessus).

The origins and reasons behind the naming suggestion

During our work on the book about Pholus, Dieter Koch and I emailed its (as well as Nessus´) discoverers David L. Rabinowitz and Jim Scotti. Scotti answered our queries concerning the astronomical characteristics of Pholus and other recently discovered minor planets in detail. Scotti mentioned, in one of his emails, that he feared the stock of mythological centaur names may run out, as greater numbers of centaurs yet await discovery. We researched over 84 centaur names (which managed to dissipate these concerns) and mailed these to him on the 31st May 1995. We also mailed the names to the director of the Minor Planet Center (a department of the IAU and global centre for discoveries in astronomy) Dr. Brian D. Marsden, who is also responsible for namings.

In this e-mail we proposed that the name "Nessus" be given to the third centaur "1993 HA2" given that the following reasons seemed to predestine such a naming:

1. The orbit of "1993 HA2" runs extremely elliptically between Saturn and Pluto (diagram 2). It creates a bridge between the two planets. "1993 HA2" guides us from the ordered world of Saturn into plutonic spheres.
2. The mythology of Nessus has strong associations to plutonic themes: Nessos took revenge for the mortal wounding of his heart through Herakles´ poison arrow by causing great pain to overcome the Greek hero, even whilst fighting with death, through a mean trick. Herakles sees that his end is nigh and sacrifices himself at the stake. This finally leads to the cleansing (from earthly madness) and rise to heaven, saving and immortality of the hero!
3. Besides Chiron and Pholus, Nessus is the third and last centaur equipped with a substantial, famous mythology which has been a source of inspiration to artists throughout the ages.

The Reactions

Dr. Marsden thanked us for the list and naming proposal, passing it on to the "Working Group in Planetary System Nomenclature". Jim Scotti also thanked us for the list, but voiced concern over the savage behaviour and violent tendencies of the centaur so prevalent in mythology. We heard nothing from mid- 1995 until the beginning of 1997. It looked as though our proposal would be ignored. Zane Stein, the American Chiron specialist, took the initiative again in Febraury 1997 and sent literature about the mythology of Nessus to Dr. Marsden .The latter responded with a pledge to support the naming of the centaur in April 1997. "1993 HA2" is now officially Nessus.

Astronomers and astrologers have not previously co-operated on the issue of naming planets. Interesting, that it was the "bridge planets", the centaurs, which brought the two disciplines a small but significant step closer to each other. This would not have been possible without the openness and support of Jim Scotti and Dr. Brian Marsden.

The latter replied to my email of thanks, subsequent to the event, explicitly thanking us for our support in the research of centaur names and mythologies. He encouraged us to submit proposals for the four yet unnamed centaurs.
http://www.kentauren.info/menu/index.htm?page=/newness.htm

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Raymond Andrews,
President,Executive Director of Developmental Neurodiversity Association
Supporting the Neurodiversity Movement

posted August 02, 2010 01:20 PM            

MYTHOLOGY OF NESSUS
To understand Nessus' mythology, we need to re-introduce Heracles (Hercules.) (Hercules figures into the stories of just about every centaur, it seems.)

In one story, Heracles was very attracted to a young virgin by the name of Deianera, and so he slept with her....and then agreed to marry her. In another story (which may not conflict with the former story at all,) Heracles married Deianera because, while he was in the underworld, he promised Deianera's dead brother that he would. Anyway, Eurytion (another Centaur...possibly one of the as yet unamed ones) asked for Deianera's hand in marriage, and her father consented (perhaps he was afraid of saying no to a Centaur?) Well, Heracles found out, burst angrily into the wedding celebration, killed Eurytion, and took Deianera to be his bride.

I am not sure if Heracles was on his honeymoon or not, but he and his new wife had to cross a river that was overflowing. Nessus, according to the myth, offered to ferry Heracles' wife across a river.....and when he reached the other side, tried to rape her. Heracles, quite naturally enraged, shot Nessus with a poison arrow. As Nessus lay dying, he told Heracles' wife that, should Heracles ever be unfaithful, she could bring him back to her by placing the blood-soaked cloak (now on Nessus' back) over Heracles' shoulders. (In some of the more graphic stories, though, it was a mixture of his blood and semen that Nessus told Deianera to scoop up....and to put on a cloak one day should Heracles stray in his affections.) Years later, she remembered Nessus' words, and did precisely that. But Nessus lied....on his death bed, he wanted revenge. The cloak caused Heracles to burn up with flames of magic, and he was in terrible pain. Hera finally relented, allowed his physical body to die on earth, and translated him to Mount Olympus where he was made one of the gods for all time. (Something to ponder....it was Nessus' poisonous act that, in actuality, healed the feud between Hera and Heracles.)

It is interesting that, many years earlier, Zeus had told Heracles that he would be killed by a dead enemy!

Robert von Heeren just added this additional information he found about Nessus' mythology:

"Pausanias 10.38.2 [paus. 10.38.2]
"[10.38.2] Others believe that Nessus, ferrying on the Evenus, was wounded by Heracles, but not killed on the spot, making his escape to this country; when he died his body rotted unburied, imparting a foul stench to the atmosphere of the place. The third story says that the exhalations from a certain river, and its very water, have a peculiar smell; the fourth, that asphodel grows in great abundance and when in flower...because of the smell.

NESSUS' ORBIT
Nessus links up the orbits of Saturn and Pluto. Once upon a time, Saturn was thought to be the last planet out, and was equated with endings, and even with death. These two certainly have a lot in common, don't they? We have just begun to explore the implications of this, so we can certainly use your feedback!

On its way outward from perihelion to aphelion, Nessus crosses first Uranus' and then Neptune's orbit, and on its way back inward, it again crosses them. Here are the most recent such dates in its orbit:

Nessus reaches Perihelion March 7, 1870
Crossing Uranus on the way out Nov 14, 1881
Crossing Neptune on the way out Sept 22, 1899
Nessus reaches Aphelion Dec 30, 1930
Crossing Neptune on the way inward Apr 8, 1961
Crossing Uranus on the way inward Nov 3, 1979
Nessus reaches Perihelion Jan 28, 1992

Juan Antonio Revilla offers pages on all the Centaurs' orbit crossings as well as their perihelia & aphelia
NESSUS IN ACTION

Let me relate two brief stories from my own experience.

When Nessus was transiting my eighth house, it reached opposition to my natal Nessus. At that time, I was living with Sandra, and she was pregnant with our child. When the opposition was exact, it also was only minutes away from exact conjunction to Sandra's Neptune. At this time, we received the news that the baby had Triploidy.....an extra set of chromosomes......and that most babies with this condition died in the womb, sometimes jeopardizing the life of the mother. Of the few that survived, not one lived more than five months, and all had to stay on life support. We had to make the decision to induce labor, and have the baby born early, stillborn. It was just about the most painful decision either of ever had to make.

When Nessus was stationary over my ninth house Moon, the woman I loved left the United States to go spend a month living with a man in another country....a man she was considering moving in with. I was so full of hurt/anger, especially at the other man, and wanted more than anything to lash out at him, even if only verbally.

Both of these events changed my life, and both forced me to reach down deep within myself. There was a lot of pain in both situations, but in another way, they both were a catharsis, which helped me know myself better, and to accept that there were thoughts/feelings I had which I had previously tried to repress as 'bad'.

Nick Campion editor of Transit, the astrologer's newsletter, wrote of Nessus: "Could it be that this planetary body encompasses the idea of science and the metaphysical approach working together for higher knowledge?" Interesting concept, since astrologers joined with astronomers to name this Centaur. (See this site for the whole quote: http://www.astrology.co.uk/Nessus.htm

Juan Antonio Revilla, one of the members of my "Chiron and Friends" list, has written some remarkably perceptive essays on the Centaurs. In "The Redemption Of Nessus" he writes:

"What are the dynamics of Nessus that manifests in a monstrous, poisonous way? The vulnerability of Deianira, Nessus lust, and Heracles rawness are part of the same cruel story. If I take Heracles as "raw" humanity, then the "bad blood" associated with Nessus is the consequence or continuation of the cruelty and violence that Heracles represents. What Nessus does is leave Heracles violence and cruelty naked, which means he could be the cure, for example, not only the disease. Like an homeopathic remedy or a vaccine, the disease has to come out in order to heal it..."

Josh Payne is another very perceptive astrologer. In one of Josh's posts, he talked of the connection between Nessus and the Frankenstein monster:

"though he may be a hideous monster, Nessus has a heart, has fragility. Frankenstein just wants to be accepted and loved (especially by his creator)..."
and that the Frankenstein story was
"...an extremely touching portrayal of the plight of the deformed outcast, especially the scene in which he is talking to the blind man... The words he utters (I don't remember exactly), "people are afraid... because I am so.... ugly" express such a tremendous pain, which embodies how hard it is for us to say something like 'I am so ugly'."

Juan writes, in response to Josh's words:

"These very few words of Josh are the best I have ever read about Nessus." "Frankenstein longed for love and sympathy, but he became something dark and destructive, inspiring only horror and loathing. Nevertheless he had a human heart, he was our creation, a part of ourselves that is socially despised. His creator (which is his mirror-image), trespassed the boundaries of life, death, and social morality."

One other thing before I leave the subject of Nessus. Perhaps we can learn something from this quote from Carl Jung, from "Concerning Rebirth": "Every calling or profession has its own characteristic persona. It is easy to study these things nowadays, when the photographs of public personalities so frequently appear in the press. A certain kind of behaviour is forced on them by the world, and professional people endeavour to come up to these expectations. Only, the danger is that they become identical with their personas-the professor with his text-book, the tenor with his voice. Then the damage is done; henceforth he lives exclusively against the background of his own biography. . . . The garment of Deianeira has grown fast to his skin, and a desperate decision like that of Heracles is needed if he is to tear this Nessus shirt from his body and step into the consuming fire of the flame of immortality, in order to transform himself into what he really is. One could say, with a little exaggeration, that the persona is that which in reality one is not, but which oneself as well as others think one is."

What do you think?
http://www.zanestein.com/nessus.htm

The following is also from Zane Stein:

NESSUS IN ASPECT

One excellent way to better understand the nature of a Centaur is to study it in the charts of a number of people who share the same aspect. And the most intense expressions of these Centaur interactions come from the conjunction, the square and the opposition.

posted August 02, 2010 01:47 PM              

If 29 is the birth number, and thereby unavoidable, conscious effort
must be made to dilute and eventually to negate, neutralise, or erase
this karmic burden. It can, to a great extent, be eased by choosing a
new name (or spelling) with a strong positive Compound Key Number.
Further than this, the person born on the 29th day of any month should
do everything advised in Chapter 4 of "Star Signs" (sorry).

In the specific instance of the 29 vibration (bringing with it the
secondary vibration of 11, which should also be read regarding the way
to relieve the karmic burden) - remember that the development of
absolute faith in goodness and the power of the Self... the constant and
energetic cultivation of optimism... will act as a miraculous medicine
for the problems of the number 29.

posted August 02, 2010 02:00 PM              

the thing is Deianira loved Hercules. She didn't even want him, not in the least. Which is one reason he resorted to dirty tricks, rape and any means available. I love you so much i just might kill you. i have to have you so badly that making you hurt doesnt even matter to me. it is all abourt me and what i want and i want You! There is nessus.

that is my take on it.

posted August 02, 2010 02:14 PM            

exactly

it's not cut and dry

aspects in general are not so cut and dry

there are so many ways for aspects to manifest

btw...I hate words like "afflicted"

It sounds so fatalistic and dark age.

It doesn't resemble the psychological,humanistic Astrology.

Heavily afflicted charts are associated with psychological problems, but are also associated with highly creative persons who have great accomplishments.

I have a book called KEYWORDS FOR ASTROLOGY by Hajo Banzhaf and Anna Haebler

they wrote the following:

As Johannes Kepler very clearly states, the horoscope shows your potential and not your predestination. The situation of astrology is similar to the way researchers can use modern chaos research to perceive the formulas concealed behind a multitude of manifestations (such as weather clouds) without being able to predict in which form this formula will manifest itself. The horoscope is a formula which is the basis for the life of a human being. Yet, what you make of it, how far you let yourself drift along, or to which heights of development you rise, all lie in a realm beyond the possibility of interpretation.

These keyboards should then be understood as a description of one portion of the whole. Many opportunities for development are concealed in every aspect in the chart. However, how and and to what degree, they are manifested, and what level they depends upon the personality's degree of maturity--and precisely this factor is not revealed in the horoscope. This is why we have also consciously dispensed with stating the commonly made differentiation between good and bad, easy and difficult, harmonious and tension-laden, auspicious and misfortune-bringing configurations. Such definitions are foolish. We have seen horoscopes that were full of so-called harmonious aspects, yet the people affected were caught up in deep crises in life. Life simply ran on without meaning. Nothing had challenged them and/or even forced them to make something of their lives. Everything was simply easy and superficial, and after point in time it became unbearable.

On the other hand, it is widely known that the horoscopes of great personalities are charged with tensions. For this reason, we have described all the horoscope factors in their polar tensions as strengths and problem areas---or---for the aspects--harmony and discord. We have followed the development from the obstruction to the solution solely in the case of Saturn, the Lord of Time (Cronos). It may certainly be true that a difficult astrological configuration, such as a planet positioned in "detriment" or in "fall," or irritated or impaired by difficult aspects (such as square or an opposition) initially attracts attention from its critical side. Yet there is not only the possibility of transformation, but also the responsibility to transform, in each of these configurations. From the astrological perspective, the horoscope describes the starting situation in which we begin our life on Earth. Now our task is polishing ourselves against our various tensions until we succeed in uniting all the original discord into a great harmonious sympathy.

I had the book since 1999. Ever since I read the book, that's how I have approached Astrology. Just because I approach it that way doesn't mean that I am wrong nor have a "perverse ignorance" which you implied that I have. I just have simply different ideology when it comes to Astrology.

Many astrologers have diverse views when it comes to Astrology,and it doesn't mean that they are wrong.

I will agree to disagree.

I can disagree without calling people out as being "perversely ignorant",wrong,nor they don't have the truth.

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Raymond Andrews,
President,Executive Director of Developmental Neurodiversity Association
Supporting the Neurodiversity Movement

posted August 02, 2010 02:23 PM            

Have you not been emotionally/physically abused? Lets say you read this and go back in time to become your own guardian, how would you care for your ward? Is it better or not to know about harsh Nessus aspects?

CPN knows FIRST HAND why I am writing so passionately on this topic. It is not about "astro racism" or "astro casteism", it is purely for creating awareness.

Even a guy with a great childhood but harsh Nessus aspects and 2-3 more harsh Mars aspects, he may not even be aware that if he is pushed to the brink in an argument at work, he may react psychotically and ruin his career.
Are we wrong to bring his own weaknesses to his consciousness that he may transcend them?

The danger signs are maximum for Males who have been profiled already as problematic.
Males who have an abused childhood, if they have Nessus affliction + three or more harsh aspects involving Mars, Saturn, Neptune... they can act very dangerously. 5 harsh aspects and they are likely to be psychopaths. Look up my analysis of Shipman and Haarmann on the "For Strong Hearts..." thread. Prove to me mathematically that I am wrong, I have even shown the positive Polarity of the hero with afflicted Nessus, a German Criminal Investigator who was the first to profile serial killers.

BTW, I am not considering any astrological view as an attack, we have to consider every type of case to get better in astrology. Would like to analyze your brother's chartr as well.

@Glaucus: You are a very very intelligent man who has overcome many Neptune afflictions. I am 100% ok and happy with your disagreement of my views on Nessus. If you dont think afflicted Nessus and harsh aspects combination show a psychopath, it is ok with me. We enjoy diversity of ASTROLOGIOCAL RESEARCH on this forum.

Yet you have still not answered our readers.

Is Astrology a valid science or not?
If not, why do you give astrological opinions and readings on this forum?

On July 31st you wrote:
"IMHO, I dont view Astrology as a science."
You also wrote:
"I really don't trust psychiatry. It's not even close to being an exact science even though it's a branch of medicine. However, I definitely don't trust Astrology for looking at psychiatric disorders either."

Then how in God's name can you use Astrology to analyze a Neurodivergent's chart ?
If you dont trust Astrology, WHY ARE YOU USING IT? Why are you wasting time on Transneptunian Astrology or any kind of Astrology?

Are you going to admit that you were wrong in making these comments?

Am still waiting.

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posted August 02, 2010 02:44 PM            

Is Astrology a science or not?
If not, why are you using it?

What are you afraid of? Just boldly repeat your conviction that it is not a science if that is indeed your conviction.

We are all waiting.

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posted August 02, 2010 03:58 PM            

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My dear Soulful , are you a Male?
[Edited: I initally assumed you were female! ]
See, women with afflicted Nessus generally become victims of abuse, especially when Dejanira in their chart is hit.

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Not unless I can magically grow a stick lol.

All jokes aside, I was actually putting {{men & women}} with negative Nessus & Neptune aspects in the same category, maybe I shouldn't of, I dunno. Maybe I'm biased because of my experiences, but in my life and what I've seen day to day, women are MORE abusive than any man I've come in contact with, so therefore I don't usually differentiate when it comes to their gender & abuse.

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Lets say you read this and go back in time to become your own guardian, how would you care for your ward? Is it better or not to know about harsh Nessus aspects?

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Of course, it really is better to know. If I could go back and change things, I wouldn't allow myself to be treated that way whether or not it's because of astrology. It's because I'm a woman now that knows right from wrong, knows what I deserve and what I don't, I can't say the same for the younger me who only knew abuse.

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..we are actually very fortunate to know him and have this valuable insight. he is a mathmatical genius and knows what he is talking about. i know about this firsthand. at the very least be aware of the dangers and be careful.

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cpn, I agree..

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btw...I hate words like "afflicted"

It sounds so fatalistic and dark age.

It doesn't resemble the psychological,humanistic Astrology.

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Glaucus, sorry man I'll try not to use that word so much lol.

Anyway, I'm grateful for all the knowledge iQ & Glaucus shared with us about Nessus and the negative & positive possibilities it has. I'm learning so much, so thank you.

posted August 02, 2010 04:25 PM              

although not all, i said mostly. i have seen evil abusers malice minded women too. but most are men.

posted August 02, 2010 05:15 PM              

thank you so much for the information about the number 29-are you a 29th day person too?

you nailed it pretty well cause my bf had just another gf before me,and she caused him great deception and thats why he broke with her.time passed and she died.so both deception and grief in his life coming from women.

poor JOnhy!... he suffered a lot already in his life,dont want him to perpetuate it.

it makes so much sense.i keep telling him to believe and have Faith in Life cause its not the cross he carries,and its not the burden he thinks it is - i keep telling him to let go and just do whatever he is happy with,but he sticks to what he knows,he only sees the word "fight against.." when instead he has to " go with the flow.."...like you´re saying.

posted August 02, 2010 06:23 PM              

IQ have lots of intuitive wisdom that used with knowledge,astrology wise,can predict pretty most everything ( of course we all have Free Will but what about the things that we already agreed before reincarnate?our soul contracts?those we cannot run from).

i also know first hand how much IQ+s discoveries are accurate. for instance im currently in the thread i created,studying the chart of a man,that i felt i had to,just because i sense some dark powerful forces in him.

not only with the help of IQ i discovered my intuition was right,but also LExx managed to say what is Aura is,confirming all that IQ already had said.

knowing what i know 1st hand,i can now protect myself and the ones i love,and just try to keep away from the person i know that is capable of the evil things just to get his selfish ego at peace.

IQ said:

"The danger signs are maximum for Males who have been profiled already as problematic.
Males who have an abused childhood, if they have Nessus affliction + three or more harsh aspects involving Mars, Saturn, Neptune... they can act very dangerously. 5 harsh aspects and they are likely to be psychopaths. "

the person i studied has a Nessus square Mars,square Dejanira and opose Anubis.

-Mars harsh aspects:cj Pluto.Square Anubis.Opose Dejanira

-Saturn (Scorpio draconic)harsh aspects:kikunx ascendant.Square Moon.Square Mercury.Square Kiron

- Neptune Affliction: sqaure Venus.Square Jupiter.

So yeah....IQ help us a lot not only to know ourselves better,but also to know other´s deepest pysche´s,for better and for worse.