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Topic: Do You Seduce?
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Lonake
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posted October 29, 2010 10:54 PM
 
woah cakes,"because i never feel like i am giving off those vibes, and i've not known them to be of same-sex persuasion. it's depressing really. maybe it's a reflection of how obsessed with sex our culture has become?" Nah, don't take it personally. It's not you specifically, Neptune is just 'open', esp on the Asc, and conj Venus?! Forget it. You are an open floodgate, for projection and having people place their romantic fantasies onto you. You're a conduit when you have Neptune that strong. It's difficult to cement your place in the world, and you are defining yourself in many ways through others impressions of you, instead of being more earth-bound for lack of a better term in defining the self. The simple explanation is that they see you as more willing and accepting of their romantic and/or sexual inclinations than the average person would be, this is what they see, it may not be what you intend of course. Venus/Neptune takes a while in cementing a solid sense of self worth, they often dont realize their powers of attraction and hide it behind an 'aw shucks' stance on one hand, and on the other they are very aware and wield it accordingly, the way they wield it of course you would have to look at the rest of the chart. I feel for you, though, with that combination. Neptune on the Asc is quite tricky. You could say Venus/Neptune is somewhat like having Venus in Pisces, but you'd be missing the point, Venus/Neptune goes beyond simple Pisces, as Neptune's more concrete manifestation, and goes out arm in arm with an outer planet. That is big news in a natal, esp with the hard aspects. The experiences encompass a much wider realm than just a simple sign placement. Someone I can think of for an example would be Marilyn Monroe, Neptune/Asc you prob knew that already..I don't remember if she had Venus/Neptune as well. IP: Logged |
Lonake
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posted October 29, 2010 11:38 PM
meta,
"I really hope you don't think poorly of me."
No, I'm neutral as I don't know you, and your ideas are articulated well enough from what I've read so my Air Mercury congratulates you. I v.much dislike when someone comes at me trying to pigeonhole me and doing it with such lack of humanity, unaware of the give and take. On the surface it may sound like a normal conversation to others, but on a psychic/emotional level it's draining to the person who's being mined. I pick up on that. This is different, I have to say, than someone with social anxiety or basic discomfort, much different. Honestly it's a lower trait of Scorpio to mine for info and remain impenetrable. This is as far away from real connection as you can get, which is why I re-iterate 'why bother.' I know that Scorpio can be horribly insecure, in youth they look like the walking-wounded, so that's why it is so sad. I'll go so far as to say that in youth Scorpio is the most sensitive sign, simply because Scorpio is tied to the ego, if there's a wound it tends to happen with the father, the father's influence is the energy that Scorpio wants, and of course the father's adoration. A young Scorpio with an absent or abusive father is one of the saddest sights on earth, the pain that they go through is immense, it's only later that the defense system builds up. In youth they're wide open.
Well that was a digression.
Anyway, I'm coming from a Leo Asc perspective on many first meetings, and Leo is looking to make that heart-to-heart connection, safe to say they're more revealing than Scorpio. Maybe too much to deal with for some in the beginning. I can see how more insecure/suspicious types would not be trusting of that and want to reign that energy in for added security. And then that gets in the way of the connection I'm trying to achieve.
Leo lenses/filter as it were. Is.This gives me an idea about Leo/Scorpio couples. IP: Logged |
AcousticGod
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posted October 30, 2010 02:36 AM
What about Venus/Neptune on the DSC? Same thing? I have them conjunct in the 7th.IP: Logged |
starkiss1
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posted October 30, 2010 03:58 AM
"No kidding. They want to put people in a box, always trying to figure them out so they can get them under their thumbs while revealing nothing. No connection. "What, all of them? Painted with the same brush? Sorry, but this is so shallow. IP: Logged |
britterfly
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posted October 30, 2010 10:20 AM
I am DEFINITELY a seducer!!!I do not do it consciously, by ANY means, though I have been accused over and over again since my early teens of being subtly manipulative, of being a "sex kitten", of trying to get everyone's attention, etc etc etc. I do not consciously do any of this, but when I take a step back and observe myself, I realize that the energy I put out is very strong, and usually very sexual. It's just the way I naturally am, though! I would be faking it to be any other way. I do *feel sexy* much of the time, but I am not trying to aim that sexiness at anyone; it just makes me feel happy and good and natural to feel such a way! I have a Scorpio moon conjuncting my Scorpio ascendant with an orb of only like 4 degrees, in the 12th house. I also have Venus and Mars conjuncting in Aries with an orb of one degree!!! So my Venus and Mars are right on top of each other. ROWR! I feel that also a huge part of my flamboyantly sexual and manipulative way of being can be attributed to my Dark Moon Lilith conjunct my Eros in Pisces in the fifth house. I definitely enjoy and indulge in dark, twisted feelings and views about sex and eroticism - nothing immoral, just dark and interesting; that's the way I like it! IP: Logged |
britterfly
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posted October 30, 2010 10:24 AM
actually that's the True lilith, not the dark moon lilith... I THINK!!! The lilith aspects are so confusing!IP: Logged |
Ami Anne
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posted October 30, 2010 10:48 AM
Britterfly
What do you have in the 8th house?
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Pluto conjunct Dejanira, Girlfriend.
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StarrofVenusGirl
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posted October 30, 2010 11:19 AM
Hi Meta, Absolutely I do LOL. I don't know why, I just do it. Can't help myself. Often it's on purpose, but sometimes not. I just like getting close to people, figuring out what makes them tick...this is going to make me sound like a bad person, but I'm being honest when I say that it's a power thing. I like to be in control at all times. And I love to observe the dynamics between people, even if I have to step outside myself so that I can observe my own dynamics with another. It all takes place at a deep psychological level. Seduction is like a beautiful dance and I'm always looking for the perfect partner  ASC - Pisces
Sun - Virgo
Moon - Taurus
Mercury - Libra
Venus - Scorpio
Mars - Leo 8th house Pluto, Mercury, Venus
8th house ruler Venus (in Scorpio)
Venus & Pluto in mutual reception
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meta_4
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posted October 30, 2010 04:08 PM
Agent, quote:
I think you understand how to connect with people, hence why it's connected to "seduction" on a superficial level. Your still trying to figure out how to connect with yourself...to fill that void, because you dont entirely understand the motives behind some of your actions. Many people arent bothered by it like you are and shrug it off.
I read this earlier today, and have been thinking about it all day. I think this is true. It's not that I can't connect with people, because I obviously do, it's that I feel a disconnect within myself. What that means for me, and how i remedy that, I do not know. I wanted to apologize for presuming that you were unfulfilled in your life. That was a bit rash of me. I understand what you're saying, and how you feel, and I respect that. You are completely self-sufficient, and a very strong woman. Even though this is a result of unfortunate events in your childhood, I'm sure that you're glad it's shaped you into who you are. That's how I feel, anyways. And you have become a true success. It goes to show you that these things happen for a reason. Thank you for your insight. IP: Logged |
meta_4
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posted October 30, 2010 04:11 PM
Starr,After reading your post, I'm feeling less and less bad about how I interact with people. It's not like I'm preying on them- it's truly how I naturally relate. I'm convinced it's a Scorpion trait. We just WANT to know everything. We're just curious and fascinated and easy to talk to. Avid listeners. IP: Logged |
starkiss1
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posted October 30, 2010 04:25 PM
Meta,
"Avid listeners" - absolutely. This is one of the reasons, among many other traits,that people fall in love with us, because we listen. IP: Logged |
Lonake
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posted October 30, 2010 04:42 PM
AG,
"What about Venus/Neptune on the DSC? Same thing? I have them conjunct in the 7th."
This is more of an idealistic combination. You have Sadge dsc, right? That's a triple dose of idealism. Venus/Neptune still applies to you, but you may be a little more ripe for projecting it onto others, first because youre a man, second because it's on the dsc. So you may build up others to be more than they can be for you, and feel let down when reality seeps into the equation. Forming those artistic or spiritual bonds would be important, I would say if you havent already to do that for you first, rather than seeking that connection in another, that way youre more able to attract a higher manifestation of Venus/Neptune/Sadge than something lower and potentially illusory. Define it for yourself and manifest it, you are into art though arent you doing something in that realm right? As a hobby at least, and travel if you can, etc. define what all that means to you and for you first and foremost. Then you'll be much richer when you can share those owned facets of yourself with someone who's like-minded.IP: Logged |
woah cakes
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posted October 30, 2010 05:14 PM
ahhh! conversely, does that mean i disappoint people?? probably  wow lonake that resonates a lot with me. the weird/annoying thing about it is that on some level i am very aware of it happening yet it's like i have no control over it. i tend to ignore it and pretend it's not happening, to *wish* it away if you will while i'm interacting. i don't want to call attention to it because 1) i never fully know if what i'm feeling from the other person is accurate 2) i don't want to hurt anyone and 3) i figure if i pretend it isn't happening, maybe that will desolve the feelings from the other person. sort of like a psychic blockade. it's really gotten to the point that i pretty much have to ALWAYS refer to the person i'm currently having feelings for and refer to how loyal i am. i also live on my neptune/AC line so this happens in pretty much all scenarios, not just in terms of romantic interest: people REALLY do project their feelings and thoughts onto me and it IS very hard for me to show a solid sense of who i am since i feel that constantly and it's even to the point that i don't RECONGNIZE the projection until i mentally figure it out, so in a sort of way i BECOME that projetion until i do. it's very bizarre. what you wrote helped me understand it better.. i think i'm so open, and i can feel how that comes across when i think about it.. i'm not really sure what to do about it though! i'm naturally an exhuberant, fun loving person and i hate stifling that but it seems to be sort of the thing that 'hooks' people into me in a way i don't want and i wish they didn't feel. meta- i'll reply to you soon. i only had a few spare minutes IP: Logged |
britterfly
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posted October 30, 2010 10:36 PM
i've got my vertex in cancer in the 8th house. why?IP: Logged |
belgz
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posted October 31, 2010 03:16 AM
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I feel that also a huge part of my flamboyantly sexual and manipulative way of being can be attributed to my Dark Moon Lilith conjunct my Eros in Pisces in the fifth house. I definitely enjoy and indulge in dark, twisted feelings and views about sex and eroticism - nothing immoral, just dark and interesting; that's the way I like it!
I have lilith in 5th and this describes me as well. That is probably why I was so fascinated by the Taurus who wanted to play those sex games 
But this doesn't mean I will go ot of my way to seduce a man, because this will happen only if he pursues me. I don't like t chase them at all but once successfully inside my world it's a different story.
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AcousticGod
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posted October 31, 2010 04:32 AM
Lonake,I always did associate Venus/Neptune with my artistic element. My Pluto sextiles Neptune from the 5th (Libra), and it's conjunct my 29th degree Virgo Moon. I tribute all of those (my water rulers and Venus in creative houses) with my urge to create. I just bought some more software to help with music creation today. I'm very restless switching back and forth between the types of art I'd like to pursue. I have traveled pretty extensively. About 20 countries. I still have a general faith in humans, too. I don't think I idealize them. With my Mutable energy it's quite easy to be critical. It's just that I don't see people as all bad. I think I get on some level that everything that's truly offensive is just people being stupid, and while I'd like to not tolerate stupidity I'd have to become a hermit to avoid it. IP: Logged |
woah cakes
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posted October 31, 2010 05:43 PM
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Woah cakes,
Interesting how we're so alike, but we're different as well. You deal with your baggage by being light, and funny, and making jokes. I wonder if that's natural to you, or is it something you have to work at?
well it's not something i 'work at', at least consciously.. my dad is a real dry wit, sort of subduedly goofy (think bill murray), and i think it must stem from him, because i always see the joke in everything. i am aware that it is somewhat a defense, a way to keep people out (cuz i don't feel comfortable being as wide open as i naturally am) but it is also just the way my brain is wired. for some reason people tend to see it as a way IN to me, romantically. or it sparks that in them. whereas when i was a kid, like i said, it was just all in fun. i can see how it is perceived as flirting, maybe, but i wish it weren't because it is the way i like to be.
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Whenever I find out someone LIKE likes me that I don't feel that way about I also withdraw. I've been accosted by my friends many times for this. They say there's a more mature way of dealing with it. But I don't see it that way. I'm not running away. I just know that if I wanted someone badly but they did not feel the same way, the best thing for me to do in order to move on would be to cut them out.
ugh, and this is what annoys me. i feel almost morally obligated to take my distance. i would say about 70% of my male friends have put out their feelers on me (and do consistently) and 40% develop obsessions with me, and i don't know what to do about that. i actually feel more comfortable with males in general, because my mannerisms are more typically 'male'; i'm not girly and i just like the direct style of relating guys have, more. my best male friend tells me about twice a year that he is in love with me and then we just kinda drop it and keep having fun and i wish he would just STOP having those feelings because they are not and never will be mutual. i don't want to lose him as a friend and probably never will (well, hopefully). quote:
It sounds extreme, but I believe once you have feelings for someone, they never truly go away. The remnants always remain somewhere in you. Who wants to be around someone who is a constant reminder of your unrequited love?
i think this is what i don't get. cuz for ME, when i have feelings for someone that are unrequited, i'm quite good at letting go of my feelings for them. so i wonder why it doesn't go the other way. maybe it's because i'm an aquarian, so i can rationalize it and let go of those emotions? i'm not sure, but i do know that i wish only REQUITED love even registered. cuz the rest of it, i can't help thinking, is only bits of us that are seeking.. something outside of ourselves, and that 'love' on this level isn't really love. just infatuation based in a lack in ourselves. maybe. i dunno, heh. IP: Logged |
AcousticGod
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posted October 31, 2010 06:19 PM
This is a good thread. Making people go deep.IP: Logged |
meta_4
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posted October 31, 2010 06:28 PM
Thanks Ag.  Woah cakes, quote:
i would say about 70% of my male friends have put out their feelers on me (and do consistently) and 40% develop obsessions with me, and i don't know what to do about that. i actually feel more comfortable with males in general, because my mannerisms are more typically 'male'; i'm not girly and i just like the direct style of relating guys have, more.
Like you, I am not a girly girl. I am, and I say this most humbly, more of a tomboy/powerful woman. I don't dress like a boy, but i don't dress like a slag either. My mannerisms are more direct and to the point. I don't beat around the bush, and talk about sex and such a lot- obviously! I think men just really respond to this. They must! I mean, maybe being forward gives them the wrong impression? Is that what we're getting at? Or maybe only some men respond to this, as I know plenty of guys who like to be the knight to some poor damsel. No thanks! I can save myself without your help, friend! IP: Logged |
meta_4
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posted October 31, 2010 06:28 PM
Sex and power. Yep, yep.IP: Logged |
AcousticGod
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posted November 01, 2010 01:05 AM
It may not be the directness alone, although I'm certain that is appreciated. Knowing about astrology, and the masculine and feminine elements it seems that sometimes the feminine element in one person is attracted to the masculine element in the other. For instance, from my own experience, my last relationship was with a woman with a masculine Sun and Moon with a Feminine Ascendant. I am exactly the opposite. I have feminine Sun and Moon with a masculine ascendant. I'm sure that other aspects helped, but I think that polarity was also a key to the connection. I think the feminine element is drawn to masculine energy, because it allows the feminine person the freedom to be direct without worrying about over-sensitive feelings. Conversely, the masculine element is drawn to the feminine, because it offers the freedom to express sensitivity without judgment. In both cases it makes the person feel free to express a more suppressed part of themselves. It's kind of easy to see in same element relationships. Between feminine dominated people things can go unexpressed, because masculine directness seems too confrontational. Between masculine dominated people things can go unexpressed, because there's an aversion to showing weakness. I guess that was the long way of expressing a point. It's just interesting to me. IP: Logged |
woah cakes
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posted November 01, 2010 09:25 PM
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Like you, I am not a girly girl. I am, and I say this most humbly, more of a tomboy/powerful woman. I don't dress like a boy, but i don't dress like a slag either. My mannerisms are more direct and to the point. I don't beat around the bush, and talk about sex and such a lot- obviously!I think men just really respond to this. They must! I mean, maybe being forward gives them the wrong impression? Is that what we're getting at? Or maybe only some men respond to this, as I know plenty of guys who like to be the knight to some poor damsel. No thanks! I can save myself without your help, friend!
yeeeeah, see there's the rub. i sometimes have a VERY sexualized humour style. but just as often is 'potty' style. not in the traditional way, in that i don't really mean it, it's just fun to do, in a sort of 'making fun of it' way, and it's very cheesey/dorky. i'm the same with my girlfriends but i find females have a limited tolerance for such humour. with most of my friends/acquaintances i stay off the taboo stuff, though and only really go there with people i'm really comfortable with and 'get me' and have the same humour-style (or unless i'm feeling a little controversial). i also don't dress in a typically feminine way and i'm all about the powerful woman. you know, this is making me think, maybe we're just afraid of vulnerability? i feel VERY uncomfortable in a submissive role, on ANY level. i'm not dominating, though, either. it's more like i want EVERYTHING to be totally mutual and equal. maybe that is my problem. i don't like being hit on by a guy in any typical sense (a small amount of smouldering eye contact and sweet smiles and stuff of that nature is all i can initially handle from a guy when we're starting something, and things along the lines of subtle hints, but nothing overt: that turns me off and makes me feel unsafe and/or suspicious, usually, uless it is excecuted in JUST the right way and there has been a building mutual intensity in that direction).. hmm, i felt a correlation brewing up there to this topic but now i forget! i'll post this anyway and hopefully'll remember later! IP: Logged |
NeptuneIllusion
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posted November 02, 2010 01:18 AM
I seduce people sometimes without realizing it. People misinterpret my friendliness a lot. :/ I really am not trying to most of the time. It really ****** off other girls that I can do that too. lol I don't get along with girls that consciously try to seduce men. A lot of girls try to seduce men that are married or attached and that has bothered me so much. Girls have tried to seduce my fiance but he doesn't care because he is so awesome! But I know a lot of other men that are so weak that they will give in to any decently attractive female's offer. Seduction is a form of manipulation in some cases. It's better to just come out in the open and tell some one how ya feel..
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GypseeWind
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posted November 02, 2010 01:51 AM
I think some people seduce without motive.What I mean is that, I am the type of person who talks to EVERYONE, even when in a large group.
Sometimes it's been so very long that another has had any attention showed to them whatsoever, that they are naturally 'seduced' by a person like me.
It's just in my nature to be friendly, I cannot help it.
This may be Sun/Venus in the 8th, I'm not really sure. Great topic, Meta IP: Logged |
meta_4
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posted November 02, 2010 08:25 AM
This is a little beside where the topic is gone, but remember how I began this thread? I mentioned the fact that I was "seducing" a girl at the moment? Yeah, well, here is our synastry. We're stinkin' soulmates.(Her Birthtime is at Noon, so it is accurate):  IP: Logged | |
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