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Topic: Charisma and magnetism
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starfox
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posted May 02, 2011 09:38 AM
  
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Hi Starfox 
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squirrel
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posted May 02, 2011 09:41 AM
Strong Sun, Uranus and PLuto placements for being charismatic, Venus, Moon, Neptune for being charming.Also emphasized 8th, 1st, 7th... But I think wheather someone will be perceived as charming or charismatic or beautiful is really an individual thing. Someone could think that a person is interesting and charismatic while someone else thinks that person is just plain weird.  Even bizarre.
We all attract different people and are drawn to different things.
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popcorn
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posted May 02, 2011 09:47 AM
I've nothing in house 7 but I feel that I never is alone. Sometimes I feel me like suger attracting the bees. My Sun exactly on my AC.I do not feel I got charisma I only feel what's happening around me. IP: Logged |
SmilingHeart
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posted May 02, 2011 10:17 AM
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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
You had a typo there,Smiling.
I ONLY say that cuz I am trying to understand
 Did you mean that the first house inspires others as in a leader or a role model?
Oh no! XD Where?? Yes, you got that right. Maybe I should use some examples. My English is not the best, so that might be easier to understand. Okay, here some first house examples: Audrey Hepburn was a style icon (her looks where also very different from the other sex bombshells in Hollywood at that time) Andy warhol heralded the start of a new era for artists. Art as a soft good. Artists as superstars, posing for paparazzi. The 14th Dalai Lama inspired alot of Westerners to concern themselves with Buddhism and Tibet. Barbra Streisand brought a different look to Hollywood. She refused to change her looks or personality for her career. It made her (and her nose) an inspiration for alot of people.
I think you get an idea of what I'm trying to say (at least I hope that) xD
Seventh house heavy people like Hitler are a vessel for someones projections. Hitler didn't say anything new...he told the people want they wanted to hear at that time. For that they loved him. In reality the people around Hitler were the puppet masters who planned and contrived. Diana of Wales is also a good example. At a time where the English people were looking for some fresh air from the Royals she came along. She did what the people were hoping for for a long time already.
Another example is Doris Day. She represented the 'normal' friendly woman. She always was 'one of them'- women felt that she represented them.
Kurt Cobain also was a good projection, especially for teenagers. They thought he shared they're depressions, confusions, problems. etc.
These people are on the pulse of the time. They seem to represent something that is there, like a mirror for others to seem themselves in. They are the ones you turn to if you want to see your opinions - and such - validated.
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SmilingHeart
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posted May 02, 2011 10:45 AM
Sooo, here are some suggestions:Venus in first
Pluto in third
Pluto in seventh
Sun in first
Sun in tenth
Planets in tenth house
Planets in 8th house
Planets in 5th house Venus in Aquarius
Venus conjunct Sun
Venus conjunct Asc
Pluto conjunct Asc/Sun Sun in Aries
Mars in Leo
Moon in Leo
Moon in Aries
Ascendant in Scorpio
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popcorn
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posted May 02, 2011 03:47 PM
Everything in conj to AC or in aspect to AC make the personality stronger and increase the effect of the planet. The charisma and magnetism of the planet shows through the person through the AC. I think tighter orb brings more charisma and magnetism. That's my opinion.IP: Logged |
roadwarriorsdp
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posted May 02, 2011 08:53 PM
I'm sticking with the seventh house ruled by libra, and the guy who charmed a brude of snakes to nearly take over the world...looks are not determined by the 1st house...there are too many ugly first house people to say that...besides looks are subjective.. if astrology is true, then it must be the seventh... sorry i can't agree otherwise...i have sagitarius in the seventh house and i charm sag's like no other...i have them eating out of my hand... no only that but i have planets in aquarius conjunct the mc and i attract leo's like no other so it's basicaly 1-7th for magnetism
4-10th for gravity and it's the seventh only for charm i've done way more research than most of you i'm younger i can type faster, and i live in a major city i analyze atleast ten charts a day sorry for my spelling and bad grammar but you know what....i don't have time to be prim and proper here...i work full time,a nd do astrology on the side and research all day i'm a workaholic. IP: Logged |
roadwarriorsdp
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posted May 02, 2011 08:53 PM
I'm sticking with the seventh house ruled by libra, and the guy who charmed a brude of snakes to nearly take over the world...looks are not determined by the 1st house...there are too many ugly first house people to say that...besides looks are subjective.. if astrology is true, then it must be the seventh... sorry i can't agree otherwise...i have sagitarius in the seventh house and i charm sag's like no other...i have them eating out of my hand... no only that but i have planets in aquarius conjunct the mc and i attract leo's like no other so it's basicaly 1-7th for magnetism
4-10th for gravity and it's the seventh only for charm i've done way more research than most of you i'm younger i can type faster, and i live in a major city i analyze atleast ten charts a day sorry for my spelling and bad grammar but you know what....i don't have time to be prim and proper here...i work full time,a nd do astrology on the side and research all day i'm a workaholic. IP: Logged |
roadwarriorsdp
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posted May 02, 2011 09:01 PM
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Originally posted by SmilingHeart:
Oh no! XD Where??Yes, you got that right. Maybe I should use some examples. My English is not the best, so that might be easier to understand. Okay, here some first house examples: Audrey Hepburn was a style icon (her looks where also very different from the other sex bombshells in Hollywood at that time) Andy warhol heralded the start of a new era for artists. Art as a soft good. Artists as superstars, posing for paparazzi. The 14th Dalai Lama inspired alot of Westerners to concern themselves with Buddhism and Tibet. Barbra Streisand brought a different look to Hollywood. She refused to change her looks or personality for her career. It made her (and her nose) an inspiration for alot of people.
I think you get an idea of what I'm trying to say (at least I hope that) xD
Seventh house heavy people like Hitler are a vessel for someones projections. Hitler didn't say anything new...he told the people want they wanted to hear at that time. For that they loved him. In reality the people around Hitler were the puppet masters who planned and contrived. Diana of Wales is also a good example. At a time where the English people were looking for some fresh air from the Royals she came along. She did what the people were hoping for for a long time already.
Another example is Doris Day. She represented the 'normal' friendly woman. She always was 'one of them'- women felt that she represented them.
Kurt Cobain also was a good projection, especially for teenagers. They thought he shared they're depressions, confusions, problems. etc.
These people are on the pulse of the time. They seem to represent something that is there, like a mirror for others to seem themselves in. They are the ones you turn to if you want to see your opinions - and such - validated.
Smilling I have to cordialy disagree with you Kurt Kobain is not some pulse? First of all there were 7 other grunge bands...and kurt kobain overthrew all of htem so to speak kurt kobain was one of the most charming men on the planet...who else could charm an entire generation like he did? Audry hepburn? Come on no one even remembers her.. you are living in the past here... hitler nothing new? As far as hitler is concerned he is a historical anomaly... i hate hte man but come on he had an entire army of germans eating out of his palms... princess Dian? are you serious? Her children are living in her shadow to this day... no way the seventh house is charm for certain based on your own arguments...
What about Karl Jung and freud who had the richest women in society comming to him for sex and drugs?
s eriously you are in denial here...and I am not trying to be offensive...libra is associated with charm am I wrong or right? If I'm right then the seventh house is home of charm why do you thiinik the seventh house is partnership...partnership is charm...the 1st house is how you conciously project...it's true some people need to learn table manners and they become cahrming...but the subconcious natural born affinity for charm is seventh house...seventh house is like a hidden power someone unlocks later in life...after they become celebant and they view their concious ego as a partner... you catch my drift here....seventh son...this song was written for a reason....
the book was written for a reason come on are you serious?
http://youtu.be/tZoY102X9cM Man I am boiling over reading that argument...it makes no sense. IP: Logged |
roadwarriorsdp
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posted May 02, 2011 09:06 PM
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Originally posted by popcorn:
I've nothing in house 7 but I feel that I never is alone. Sometimes I feel me like suger attracting the bees. My Sun exactly on my AC.I do not feel I got charisma I only feel what's happening around me.
Popcorn you've proven my point...the 1st house sun leads to an elated ego... come on man, you are reducing people to bees? that isn't charming at all...
lame actually.. listen the seventh is charm you can't just go in and change aries to mean charming..aries doesn't mean charm sugar and spice and everything nice is a libra trait the very least... are you serious? First of all, I could take a dump on my hands and rub it on my face, and walk out of a club and get a girl.... I can seduce women left and right while calling them ugly.... do i do this...no I never do I am an 8th houser and seventh houser, I can charm like no other..I charm charmers and have charmathons.... seriously I am not even good looking, but even my zits add to my face... people say i look awsome
they think i am cool
when i walk by a group of kids they ask me if i'm famous... neptune conjunct my sun makes me even more charming... that's it i'm done with this thread i'm not going to argue anymore that libra doesn't mean charm...you can have your opinions but the science of astrology dictates libra rules charm... libra is balance...none of you have put the heart blood and sweat into this thread like me... the more you put in the more you get out all of you who are first hosue and say you have charm...your charm is like a snake fart.. good bye i'm done with this thread... feel my gravity foolish ones for you will not be wise until you learn to use google search engine and do proper research. IP: Logged |
roadwarriorsdp
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posted May 02, 2011 09:09 PM
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Originally posted by squirrel:
Strong Sun, Uranus and PLuto placements for being charismatic, Venus, Moon, Neptune for being charming.Also emphasized 8th, 1st, 7th... But I think wheather someone will be perceived as charming or charismatic or beautiful is really an individual thing. Someone could think that a person is interesting and charismatic while someone else thinks that person is just plain weird. Even bizarre.
We all attract different people and are drawn to different things.
To a great extent it's just a matter of personal taste.
I have to givey ou credit for this...good job...now i'm gone...Ami thank you too for being logical and rational and using the basics ofa strology to confer what sign and hosue truely mean charm... whoever said sun in aries...omg....your an astro noob. IP: Logged |
mintgirl123
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posted May 02, 2011 09:29 PM
I wouldn't call myself magnetic. o_OI have moon, venus (conjuncting by 2') in 7th house in libra. Mercury (libra) is also conjunct desc. My pluto is in my eighth house.
I guess I can be quite charming, but charismatic? Hmm. IP: Logged |
mintgirl123
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posted May 02, 2011 09:32 PM
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Originally posted by roadwarriorsdp:
Popcorn you've proven my point...the 1st house sun leads to an elated ego...come on man, you are reducing people to bees? that isn't charming at all...
lame actually.. listen the seventh is charm you can't just go in and change aries to mean charming..aries doesn't mean charm sugar and spice and everything nice is a libra trait the very least... are you serious? First of all, I could take a dump on my hands and rub it on my face, and walk out of a club and get a girl.... I can seduce women left and right while calling them ugly.... do i do this...no I never do I am an 8th houser and seventh houser, I can charm like no other..I charm charmers and have charmathons.... seriously I am not even good looking, but even my zits add to my face... people say i look awsome
they think i am cool
when i walk by a group of kids they ask me if i'm famous... neptune conjunct my sun makes me even more charming... that's it i'm done with this thread i'm not going to argue anymore that libra doesn't mean charm...you can have your opinions but the science of astrology dictates libra rules charm... libra is balance...none of you have put the heart blood and sweat into this thread like me... the more you put in the more you get out all of you who are first hosue and say you have charm...your charm is like a snake fart.. good bye i'm done with this thread... feel my gravity foolish ones for you will not be wise until you learn to use google search engine and do proper research.
You seem quite full of yourself aren't you? =X IP: Logged |
popcorn
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posted May 02, 2011 10:06 PM
nice man.. IP: Logged |
JohnFKennedy
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posted May 02, 2011 10:27 PM
If I may toot my own horn here, I'm pretty charismatic and there's little in my chart that would indicate that - not a single planet conjuncting an angle or a personal planet in conjunction with an outside planet or anything. I do have a moon in the 5th with venus in the 7th, and my chart ruler in the 8th. The combination of that may explain some of what people see in me, whether romantically or platonically. IP: Logged |
Betty Boop
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posted May 02, 2011 10:38 PM
With planets in the 7th - I don't feel the projection. All I feel is that they have a Libran vibe. But I don't project them at all. I'm very aware of those traits in my personality. The general rule is that a planet in a house could have similarities to a planet in the sign connected to that house.
For example -- Venus in the 3rd house could be similar to Venus in Gemini. But when it comes to the 7th house - the rule changes and a lot of astrologers claim that these planets are projected onto others.
I honestly don't see it at all. I prefer the initial rule. It's like any other house. IP: Logged |
roadwarriorsdp
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posted May 02, 2011 11:23 PM
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Originally posted by mintgirl123:
You seem quite full of yourself aren't you?=X
it would seem that way however you are biased by envy... I have factual life occurences to prove all of this and i'm not proud of any of it.. this is what i mean...from your limited view you see bragging... how can a person be charming when they assume a persons confession is bragging? on the contrary...what blinds you(envy) is actually waht is preventing you from seeing that I never wanted to be charming, and that it is a curse. IP: Logged |
roadwarriorsdp
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posted May 02, 2011 11:25 PM
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Originally posted by JohnFKennedy:
If I may toot my own horn here, I'm pretty charismatic and there's little in my chart that would indicate that - not a single planet conjuncting an angle or a personal planet in conjunction with an outside planet or anything. I do have a moon in the 5th with venus in the 7th, and my chart ruler in the 8th. The combination of that may explain some of what people see in me, whether romantically or platonically.
more validation that libra's house is the house of charm, and aries house is the house of initiative, and self... once again are we going to say that aries is the house of charm and that libra is the house of self ? No we are not... because my friend above here has demonstrated the laws of astrology as they are written across the boards...there is no argument here 1st house people are the ones who say "I would never do that" They are the snobs, and the puddles of people....7th house is the golden retriever. sorry i meant poodles. Annoying difty and blobersom. IP: Logged |
roadwarriorsdp
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posted May 02, 2011 11:26 PM
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Originally posted by Betty Boop:
With planets in the 7th - I don't feel the projection. All I feel is that they have a Libran vibe. But I don't project them at all. I'm very aware of those traits in my personality. The general rule is that a planet in a house could have similarities to a planet in the sign connected to that house.
For example -- Venus in the 3rd house could be similar to Venus in Gemini. But when it comes to the 7th house - the rule changes and a lot of astrologers claim that these planets are projected onto others.
I honestly don't see it at all. I prefer the initial rule. It's like any other house.
i see what you are saying and actually agree..the seventh house is just charm. IP: Logged |
roadwarriorsdp
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posted May 02, 2011 11:27 PM
The shadow side is charm...look at martin luther kings shadow side - preachy, expansive, jupiterian...sagitarius....7th house of martin lutehr king is what made him charming and magnetic...sorry it's bene proven now beyond a doubt. 1st housers there is much for you...you are the types that thrive on learning from people with natural charm...like they thrive on learning how to be a stick in the mud from you. IP: Logged |
SmilingHeart
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posted May 03, 2011 12:11 AM
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Originally posted by roadwarriorsdp:
The shadow side is charm...look at martin luther kings shadow side - preachy, expansive, jupiterian...sagitarius....7th house of martin lutehr king is what made him charming and magnetic...sorry it's bene proven now beyond a doubt. 1st housers there is much for you...you are the types that thrive on learning from people with natural charm...like they thrive on learning how to be a stick in the mud from you.
Martin Luther King had no 7th house placements! What are you even talking about? I never said the 7th house energy was nothing. It is just a different energy than that of the 1st or the 8th house. The eighth is a sexual, magnetic house - the first is about self and personality and the 7th is about relationships, the people around you. Since it the house is about interaction it has more of a projecting function than the others. The 11th house should have a similair quality to it. Well, none of this can be proven 100%. We are talking about theories here. And since Astrology isn't a science you can't claim that you're the only one knowing the 'truth'. Here is MLK's chart, so that you'll finally stop using him as an example (and quite frankly: I don't believe you being an expert when you can't even use the right people to support your argument):
http://www.astro.com/astro-databank/King,_Martin_Luther
Ps: this is not a competition which house is 'better'. You seem to take this quite seriously and personaly. Calm down, it's an astrological debate. This isn't about you and your charisma. IP: Logged |
VenusDiSirius
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posted May 03, 2011 04:23 AM
MLK has Sun to MC,there u have charisma,gift from gods; Venus&Moon in same sign: charm; His martyr poistion in history,unbelievable love and respect for him. Mars/Saturn aspect= capable,stern man,leader. Folks here suggested H2 Planet as key to self-esteem.
I differentiate charismatic and magnetic; Magnetic is more individual trait,I's search for it in H1;IP: Logged |
Betty Boop
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posted May 03, 2011 04:38 AM
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I could take a dump on my hands and rub it on my face, and walk out of a club and get a girl
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dysfunctionalmystic
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posted May 03, 2011 04:47 AM
Haha lol @bettyWell considering that many serial killers have had libra rising or venus on the asc ....and people would often comment on how charming they were.... the 7th is what we project, the 1st is what others see so I'd say charm is more likely to be connected to the 1st and the way we present ourselves. I think magnetism is a different energy altogether. As others have mentioned - we are drawn to different things but personally I don't find 7th housers charming or attractive...I usually pick up on heavy pluto and outer to inner planet stuff. Uranus may be considered magnetic because most people are repressed and the uranian energy is very free...this could be what attracts others. The mavericks and rogues are generally the ones who stand out in history as well as the crowd. IP: Logged |
dysfunctionalmystic
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posted May 03, 2011 05:14 AM
and for the noobs....sun in fire signs are usually the ones with a twinkle in their eye, you can see the life force in them. so whoever said about sun in aries I can see where you are coming from but again it'll come down to personal taste which is a venus thing.as soon as you mention charm etc people automatically start to think about the things that they find attractive in others which will be shown by their natal venus(among other things).
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