posted May 03, 2011 06:12 AM            

dysfunctional -

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we generally don't see what we're projecting onto/into others...

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I have two questions about that lol

1. Shouldn't we experience it in the people that we are supposedly projecting onto?
I have Neptune (amongst other things) in the 7th house.
According to the projection theory - shouldn't I be complaining that the people in my life are elusive -- or rejoicing that they are all amazing aspiring artists? or something else Neptunian?
I don't feel this way.

2. If we can't see it ourselves - then how can we ever know for sure that it is happening?

I don't have my own personal astrologer, watching my every move (Big Brother style) -- for them to give me an educated opinion (upon examining my life and the people in my life)... as to whether I am projecting these traits.
And even if they did - it would still be one opinion.

To be honest, I'd have to have a team of astrologers, all of whom I trust -- working on my life 24/7 for a couple of years... and then showing me with video evidence -- that I am projecting these traits.
I say - I'll believe it when I see it

:edit:
The reason I don't like this kind of argument is that it's suspiciously immune to criticism.

For instance, if I wanted to write a book (or thread) titled:

“Forget Mercury! Mars is the planet connected to your thinking process.”

And then follow up with the disclaimer: “But you can never know this about yourself.”

Then it shuts down any possible criticism to my idea.

Do you see what I mean?

If anyone replies and says:

"Well actually - NO, Betty - My thinking process suits my Mercury sign, not my Mars."

posted May 03, 2011 06:36 AM            

Psychoanalysis has a ton of stuff available on transference and projection and they have consistently found that projection and transference are in operation pretty much all of the time and I felt this needed to be pointed out to those who don't know anything about either of these things.

The person that pointed out that 7th house planets frequently get projected is Liz Greene (that's where I got it from anyway) just happens to be a Jungian analyst and I've read a lot of her stuff and she's pretty good.

posted May 03, 2011 06:54 AM            

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You answered your own question - without knowing what it is that you complain about or see in others then it's impossible for me to say what you project and what you don't.

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That's a good point! Maybe I could try to figure this out in reverse. I'll think of the things I normally love about other people - or dislike about other people.. or just the kinds of people I attract in my life... and see whether it suits my 7th house.

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The person that pointed out that 7th house planets frequently get projected is Liz Greene (that's where I got it from anyway) just happens to be a Jungian analyst and I've read a lot of her stuff and she's pretty good.

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hmmmm
That’s interesting because I had a hunch it was coming from Liz Greene. Although, I’m sure other astrologers would agree ^ (I don’t think she’s alone on this one).

I get interesting ideas from reading her work – but I often disagree with her approach.
What I mentioned above (arguments that cannot be criticised) – are one of my pet peeves with her. She doesn’t only do this when it comes to the 7th house.
I remember something in her Cap Moon interpretation that was similar. She said something negative and followed it up with “but the person will not realize this about themselves”.

She basically makes an astrological argument – and then stops all criticism by saying that – If anyone does not agree with her argument it is only because they can’t see something about themselves.

posted May 03, 2011 08:08 AM            

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Originally posted by dysfunctionalmystic:
and for the noobs....sun in fire signs are usually the ones with a twinkle in their eye, you can see the life force in them. so whoever said about sun in aries I can see where you are coming from but again it'll come down to personal taste which is a venus thing.

as soon as you mention charm etc people automatically start to think about the things that they find attractive in others which will be shown by their natal venus(among other things).

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posted May 03, 2011 04:04 PM            

With astrology there has to be a basic framework of meanings such as moon in cap means so and so. I know it was Jung himself that said something along the lines of "as soon as you move away from the individual to make a generalised statement - you start to make mistakes." or at least that's what he was getting at.... and I agree with him.

Unless someone does go into therapy and/or take many years consciously working to uncover their unconscious they will remain unaware of many aspects of their behaviour. Denial is rife.

As an astrologer/therapist (her not me) she has to be confident enough to not only form opinions but express them as a professional. It's not like she can be wishy washy in her responses. If her approach is not for you then that is fine. Yet it's coming across like she put a bee in your bonnet and if it were me I'd be asking why I responded/reacted in the way that I did to whatever statement was made.

I'm not saying she was wrong or right in what she said because I don't know the details but I do know we only react strongly when our attention needs to be turned inwards.

posted May 03, 2011 10:12 PM            

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Originally posted by SmilingHeart:
Martin Luther King had no 7th house placements! What are you even talking about?

I never said the 7th house energy was nothing. It is just a different energy than that of the 1st or the 8th house. The eighth is a sexual, magnetic house - the first is about self and personality and the 7th is about relationships, the people around you. Since it the house is about interaction it has more of a projecting function than the others. The 11th house should have a similair quality to it. Well, none of this can be proven 100%. We are talking about theories here. And since Astrology isn't a science you can't claim that you're the only one knowing the 'truth'.

Here is MLK's chart, so that you'll finally stop using him as an example (and quite frankly: I don't believe you being an expert when you can't even use the right people to support your argument):
http://www.astro.com/astro-databank/King,_Martin_Luther

Ps: this is not a competition which house is 'better'. You seem to take this quite seriously and personaly. Calm down, it's an astrological debate. This isn't about you and your charisma.

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Listen ditz...i'm saying his sagitarian energy was what charmed people..his focus on preaching...preaching is sagitarian my friend..

anyways..

posted May 03, 2011 10:18 PM            

your all entitled to your subjective opinions
but textbook speaking

as in the rules to astrology, and since you didn't make up astrology, you don't make up the rules

LIBRA

is charm...end of point, no argument after that

LIBRA is charm..

I repeat....look it up everywhere

LIBRA is charm

LIBRA rules the seventh house

when libra is in the 1st you get someone who learns charm

once again

you can come on a forumn and spit your false knowledge all day

but truth be told

libra is charm

sorry

I wish it was aries and first house people that were charming

and also magnetisim is mostly 1st and seventh

but seventh is the attractor

and 1st is the pushor

so first house planets
push people away

now you might think that your favorite celebrities are 1st housers and they may be

however celebrities are not the most charming people

they are photogenic and attractive at best

once again

if you think charm is a celebrity trait then someone should smack you in the face and remind you that being a celebrity is all about connections

if you don't believe me then why did 25 percent of celebrities go to the same schools?

enough foolishness...

i've proven my point beyo9nd a doubt

and you all are wrong not because this is my personal opinion this is fact...

LIBRA is charm.

Here you go
http://www.depthastrology.net/2008/09/24/charm-seduction-and-power-libra-between-the-lines/

this link is for popface
and the other dude who keep argueing against a wall..

posted May 03, 2011 10:21 PM            

Nuh ah...that is subjective poppycrock

the truth is fire and planets just mean action

that means someone with venus in aries will spend alot of time in the mirror trying to look great

venus in sagitarius will spend alot of time too but change up alot and be very focused on it

etc...

sorry dudes you can't make up the rules as you go along

astrology is already a theory not your own subjective opinion

i know it changes
but it doesn't change 1,000,000,000 billions of years worht in a day

there is a reason why the archtype for aries is commander, and teh archtype for libra is the seductress

you fools

posted May 03, 2011 10:48 PM            

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I'd be asking why I responded/reacted in the way that I did to whatever statement was made.

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Well I think the astrological reason behind it - is that we have some oppositions between my Pisces planets and her Virgo planets.

I am not 100%, but as I recall my Pisces Jupiter was opposite her Virgo Mercury. I guess I may be too judgemental of her ( Jupiter can indeed get preachy).

But as I said - I do appreciate her work.

I'm just a bit skeptical of certain things. I could probably make a list of things because it is not just one or two. My problem is more with the delivery, than the content.

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it's the ones who claim to be ascended/healed/master that I have the biggest gripes with and Liz Greene has never come across in that manner

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I do agree to this. She is not the "ascended master" wannabe type - She is more down to earth.

But I do believe she is very financially savvy.. and sometimes her writing appears skewed on the basis of what is more likely to bring her profit (and a greater audience). This is just my perspective.

posted May 04, 2011 12:36 AM            

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Originally posted by roadwarriorsdp:
I'm done with this

your all entitled to your subjective opinions
but textbook speaking

as in the rules to astrology, and since you didn't make up astrology, you don't make up the rules

LIBRA

is charm...end of point, no argument after that

LIBRA is charm..

I repeat....look it up everywhere

LIBRA is charm

LIBRA rules the seventh house

when libra is in the 1st you get someone who learns charm

once again

you can come on a forumn and spit your false knowledge all day

but truth be told

libra is charm

sorry

I wish it was aries and first house people that were charming

and also magnetisim is mostly 1st and seventh

but seventh is the attractor

and 1st is the pushor

so first house planets
push people away

now you might think that your favorite celebrities are 1st housers and they may be

however celebrities are not the most charming people

they are photogenic and attractive at best

once again

if you think charm is a celebrity trait then someone should smack you in the face and remind you that being a celebrity is all about connections

if you don't believe me then why did 25 percent of celebrities go to the same schools?

enough foolishness...

i've proven my point beyo9nd a doubt

and you all are wrong not because this is my personal opinion this is fact...

LIBRA is charm.

Here you go
http://www.depthastrology.net/2008/09/24/charm-seduction-and-power-libra-between-th e-lines/

this link is for popface
and the other dude who keep argueing against a wall..

I wonder are you two autistic?

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posted May 04, 2011 05:11 AM            

Which is why the charmers frequently have Libra as the ascendant or venus close to the ascendant.

I know quite a few venus in aries and they have no time at all to be prancing around in front of a mirror.

1st house planets do not push people away at all. They modify the outward personality, the mask we wear. The 7th is generally what we attract or need through/from others.

Popface and the other dude? Who's the other dude?

posted May 04, 2011 06:56 PM            

however,
matters of charm are ruled by the seventh house

for example, matters of sex death and transformation are ruled by the 8th house

but scorpio can bring these issues to the sixth...

you see what i'm saying

your confusing the basics, and ?I am revealing the truth.

posted May 05, 2011 06:26 PM            

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Originally posted by roadwarriorsdp:
Where libra falls is where one can be charming

however,
matters of charm are ruled by the seventh house

for example, matters of sex death and transformation are ruled by the 8th house

but scorpio can bring these issues to the sixth...

you see what i'm saying

your confusing the basics, and ?I am revealing the truth.

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posted May 05, 2011 06:57 PM            

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Originally posted by mintgirl123:
Pluto , venus, uranus in first house

And this esp

Mars conjunct neptune.

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Yeap... I have Uranus and Venus in the 1st house, and people often tell me or show me just how charismatic I am!

It helps when you want to get things done which would otherwise be impossible

posted May 05, 2011 07:11 PM            

with uranus in the 1st you push away people who are eccentric, with uranus in the seventh, you attract people who are eccentric....the reasons why can be seen by further examining the chart

1st house is push it's wha tyou put out

second house is pull
it's what is pulled in by what your not showing or pushing on people..

that's it case closed

1st 7th is magnetism

planets in the seventh attract that person
planets in the 1st repulse that person...

unless

there is areveral

but that isn't for people who haven't delved into the complexities of astrology

many of you are still on the basics

posted May 05, 2011 07:14 PM            

however...i will not do this until the time is ripe for if i do you may use the knowledge like icurus did and fly to close to the sun like a moron.

sorry i don't mean to be harsh but i'm having a hard time understanding how a literate person cannot know that hte sventh house is ruled by venus and has and is the native house of libra...

this is beyond...

also
how cna someone not know that libra is about charisma, this is also beyond me as i simple query would reveal this

until then good luck dealing with the basics

I am way too advanced to be wasting my time with tadpoles

also please post on the forumn for basic astrology this is the advanced forumn

sorry for being so literal and correct

posted May 05, 2011 07:17 PM            

it can be likened to a mask but that is incorrect because your personality is your total chart not just one house...anyways

it's a filter...

so what makes it through the filter occupies

when something occupies it must be pushed away or displaced
when there is an empty space

it is filled

so

seventh house is how big your empty space is, or how much is filled by others

how much is done for you

1st house is how much extra work you have to do

i.e. usually lack of charisma...

so a sun in the 1st house would have to be their own to shine down within themselves

person with the seventh house sun shines down on others simply by breathing and always has a ready partner

issue is the seventh hosue person has it harder because he attracts douche bags