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Topic: Charisma and magnetism
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Aya_and_baby
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posted May 07, 2011 10:54 AM
  
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Originally posted by CrazyAquarian:
My mother has got alot in her 7th house...she projects alot haCould you give an example of how you feel your moon in 7th projects? I know someone else with that too.[/B]
Well, in terms of the moon signifying your innermost desires and needs, my moon in 7th wants me to be with people at all times. I constantly need people around me or I will literally go mad. It even goes as far as sleeping better when someone is in bed with me, no matter who it is, doesn't even need to be a romantic partner... The irony of it all is, of course, that I'm highly sensitive. I do pick up on people's emotions, behaviour and motives rather quickly (which is kind of projection of the others onto me) and being around people literally drains my energy. Still, I don't feel quite as safe on my own than with someone. I'm starting to think Chiron was in on that somehow.
Annnnd I just realised what a contradiction those two alineas are. Oh well, it is what it is and it's what I am so can't exactly change it...
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Benedict Moon*
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posted May 07, 2011 01:22 PM
I have my Sun in the 7th house and I have to admit I have come across alot of egocentric people in my life. It doesn't happen much anymore so I guess I'm doing something right now. With Cancer on my 7th house it reminds me of how I would meet a guy who seemed carefree at first but turned out to be incredibly hypersensitive. Okay, I'm actually talking about my ex-boyfriend but you get the idea.  The weird thing is I've always felt like my Cancer Sun (I do have other planets and asteroids in the sign too...duh), I guess I just wasn't adequately expressing it? But then how do I express the energy without coming off as a complete sop? I guess filtering it out through the Virgo Moon works fine now.
There was one article that said the soul's goal of the 7th house is to live it out yourself, instead of having other people live it for you. And I completely agree.
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Doux Rêve
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posted May 07, 2011 01:25 PM
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Originally posted by Benedict Moon*:
There was one article that said the soul's goal of the 7th house is to live it out yourself, instead of having other people live it for you. And I completely agree.
I read that article too, and I agree.  IP: Logged |
CrazyAquarian
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posted May 07, 2011 02:47 PM
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Originally posted by Aya_and_baby:
Well, in terms of the moon signifying your innermost desires and needs, my moon in 7th wants me to be with people at all times. I constantly need people around me or I will literally go mad. It even goes as far as sleeping better when someone is in bed with me, no matter who it is, doesn't even need to be a romantic partner...The irony of it all is, of course, that I'm highly sensitive. I do pick up on people's emotions, behaviour and motives rather quickly (which is kind of projection of the others onto me) and being around people literally drains my energy. Still, I don't feel quite as safe on my own than with someone. I'm starting to think Chiron was in on that somehow.
Just looked at her chart, she also has uranus and saturn haha would explain her relationships, but her moon is the closest to the DC. I lived with her for half a year, now with my moon in the 12th house in scorpio....O_O....she would ask me to sit with her before she went to sleep and talk. Also she still calls me at night before she goes to sleep. There is definitely a need for people there. Then add in her Gem ASC oh god haha its not short!
Damn! My mom's got venus/pluto/mars/merucry/uranus in her 7th house O_O
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CrazyAquarian
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posted May 07, 2011 02:51 PM
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Originally posted by Doux Rêve:
I don't have the Moon in 7th but Mars on the Dsc and I often seem to meet people who, in my eyes, appear to be quite aggressive and argumentative. Even if they may not be that Aries-like, that's how I perceive them to be.
I must add that I only feel that way with close people, not simple acquaintances.
This is probably why I can't see the difference for me, my asc is sag and I got jupiter in the 7th haha And chiron...hmm
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roadwarriorsdp
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posted May 07, 2011 05:36 PM
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Originally posted by Betty Boop:
I think Mars/Aries/1st house - is connected to ego and confidence as well.It's not only the Sun/Leo/5th house. In any case - Road - The reason people are having such a negative reaction to you, is that you are virtually bagging first house people. I think any astrologer would agree that ANY placement can have positive and negative manifestations.
You are focusing on the positive manifestations of 7th house people... and the negative manifestations of 1st house people (and then you compare/contrast the two).
This is not a fair comparison. I am curious... as an expert astrologer - What do you think the POSITIVE manifestations of first house planets - are?
You seem to imply that there are ONLY negative manifestations.
Exactly, you think people are having a negative reaction to me....keyword think. IP: Logged |
roadwarriorsdp
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posted May 07, 2011 05:38 PM
1st house people want to attract other people, but they have no need for them, they are the users....seventh house people need other people because they are transpersonal...once again seventh house is charisma diplomacy and libra like. 1st house is aries individualistic seperative... i will not tell you the rules of astrology again... learn them and stop spreading dysinformation... regardless of how you feel about me, or how much you think this is my idea, this is the law of attraction through astrology not my own idea... sorry i can't help you anymore about learning how to read... if you think this is negative well think about how negative spreading dysinformation is....for example think of hitler, and think of mussolini and that is how you are acting by lying to the public. IP: Logged |
roadwarriorsdp
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posted May 07, 2011 05:38 PM
1st house people want to attract other people, but they have no need for them, they are the users....seventh house people need other people because they are transpersonal...once again seventh house is charisma diplomacy and libra like. 1st house is aries individualistic seperative... i will not tell you the rules of astrology again... learn them and stop spreading dysinformation... regardless of how you feel about me, or how much you think this is my idea, this is the law of attraction through astrology not my own idea... sorry i can't help you anymore about learning how to read... if you think this is negative well think about how negative spreading dysinformation is....for example think of hitler, and think of mussolini and that is how you are acting by lying to the public. IP: Logged |
Aya_and_baby
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posted May 07, 2011 06:48 PM
I thought it would be clear by now that every house, by definition, also includes its polarity. In the first house case that means it includes the seventh house of others, like the second house can also tell us about the heritage of others, the first house shows how others respond to you. Just like the seventh house clearly shows how you respond to others.In short that means the first and seventh house are intertwined and one cannot go without the other, which in turn means that charisma is just as much a first house issue as it is a seventh house issue. I really do understand where road is coming from and in theory it does work, but in practice it is completely different. You have to keep the polarity in mind... At all costs. ------------------
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Doux Rêve
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posted May 07, 2011 06:50 PM
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Originally posted by Aya_and_baby:
I thought it would be clear by now that every house, by definition, also includes its polarity. In the first house case that means it includes the seventh house of others, like the second house can also tell us about the heritage of others, the first house shows how others respond to you. Just like the seventh house clearly shows how you respond to others.In short that means the first and seventh house are intertwined and one cannot go without the other, which in turn means that charisma is just as much a first house issue as it is a seventh house issue. I really do understand where road is coming from and in theory it does work, but in practice it is completely different. You have to keep the polarity in mind... At all costs.
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Maka
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posted May 07, 2011 07:07 PM
The negative side of the 7th house is you risk loosing yourself in other people..As a 7th house SN/Chiron person, I love to help others and make them feel better anyway I can, and friends/family say I am too kind for my own good..a "people pleasers" is what they call Librans/7th housers and that's not always a good thing.. Because you become too busy..too consume in pleasing others that you end up supressing yourself and your own happiness becomes second to other people's happiness..which is not healthy, because your neglecting yourself and your needs. As my Libra dad always told me, "You can't help others if you can't even help yourself." In other words there has to be a healthly balance between yourself and other people. IP: Logged |
dysfunctionalmystic
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posted May 07, 2011 07:29 PM
Er venus is a personal planet and not transpersonal at all, if the 7th house is libra it is ruled by venus is it not? You are aware that you're spelling disinformation incorrectly? And how stupid to say that 1st house people have no need for others...do they live in some sort of vacuum? How does aries compete if there is no competition? And yes please stop telling us the rules of astrology. Whoever it is that you are comparing to Hitler or Mussolini.....there is something called Godwin's law. I took the time to find a link for you. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin's_law The law of attraction works in all of the planets in astrology...it's not just the 7th house. That's deliberate misinformation on your part. It's odd that you claim to be a 7th houser with all this separative communicating you do. IP: Logged |
roadwarriorsdp
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posted May 07, 2011 07:33 PM
Wrong, you are making claims of claims that I have made. What I am saying is that charisma, a sub section of the law of attraction is a seventh house matter...that is it stop adding and subtracting as you please. Also don't be so anal about spelling, you are lucky i am even responding. Second, I am speaking of transpersonal in the sense of charisma, and charisma is a seventh house matter I am not speaking of the science of transpersonal for example you are saying that a word can be ruled by a planet if that word is in its description, for example beauty is ruled by venus because venus is the planet of beauty, but all words are ruled by mercury so no you are wrong...the idea of beauty is ruled by venus possibly, but rather venus is it's own animal...seperate from the idea of beauty
the word transpersonal isn't ruled by transpersonal planets,but yes there are transpersonal planets meaning they affect all people, not that they effec tan individuals transpersonal abilities..
please stop being sucha critical noob and learn astrology and stop putting out disinformaiton
btw thanks for the spelling
and thanks for proving my point and serving me due to my charismatic powers of hte seventh house sun. IP: Logged |
dysfunctionalmystic
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posted May 07, 2011 07:40 PM
Awww don't flatter yourself. I only ever respond to certain posts because of the people sat at home who read but never join in. I'd rather they knew that it's always a good idea to do their own research because there could always be mistakes made on forums such as these. Especially when no one really knows who knows what. IP: Logged |
dysfunctionalmystic
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posted May 07, 2011 07:43 PM
and for the record....being critical is a very necessary component for astrology. It's generally held as a virgo trait and the keywords for virgo are "I analyse". I'll actually take that criticism from you as a compliment. IP: Logged |
roadwarriorsdp
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posted May 07, 2011 07:49 PM
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Originally posted by dysfunctionalmystic:
and for the record....being critical is a very necessary component for astrology. It's generally held as a virgo trait and the keywords for virgo are "I analyse". I'll actually take that criticism from you as a compliment.
so is balance and you are not balanced...however I am.. i can teach you but you'll have to submit. IP: Logged |
roadwarriorsdp
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posted May 07, 2011 07:49 PM
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Originally posted by dysfunctionalmystic:
and for the record....being critical is a very necessary component for astrology. It's generally held as a virgo trait and the keywords for virgo are "I analyse". I'll actually take that criticism from you as a compliment.
so is balance and you are not balanced...however I am.. i can teach you but you'll have to submit. IP: Logged |
dysfunctionalmystic
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posted May 07, 2011 08:04 PM
Aww wrong again, my chart actually shows an excellent balance and the only thing I really lack is a little bit more water.Submit to you? LMAO with my chart? Now I know you're taking the **** . IP: Logged |
roadwarriorsdp
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posted May 07, 2011 08:11 PM
Feel as you will, you lack balance.Not speaking from my own perspective here, using objective criteria to analyze you you are anal about spelling even when you understand the meaning. IP: Logged |
Lonake
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posted May 11, 2011 01:08 AM
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Originally posted by roadwarriorsdp:
the 1st house sun leads to an elated ego...
Agree.
The reason h7 heavy people are charismatic is because they have a huge vested interest in other people, it's not all about them, they want relationships and associations to work and they work hard at it, giving the other person the spotlight. They work harder at relating than anyone, the true experts. 1st housers put their brand of relating across the second they step out that door and they use it as personal decoration, but it's still all about them, and the way they stand out, the way they put it across is to feed their ego like "look at me you have to notice this about me." It can be a draw but it is not charm because it's too much busy work going on, you can't get close to it.And some markers I've noticed,
-Personal planets and angles in hard aspect to the outer planets
-Personal placements in Aquarius, esp. Venus
-Sun conj Venus
-Mars/Neptune, this one is more for the men
-The Sun involved in a strong stellium, even catching in something out of sign would work, as long as there was a continuous chain of conjunctions within about 5 deg orb
-Elevated or dignified Moon since Moon rules the public, your Moon has got to have something special going on I would think IP: Logged |
Lonake
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posted May 11, 2011 01:14 AM
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Originally posted by JohnFKennedy:
I'm pretty charismatic and there's little in my chart that would indicate that (...) my chart ruler in the 8th.
I think the chart ruler in the 8th is definitely a draw, some kind of sexual edge people see in you. I read somewhere that the closer the ruler is to the 8th house cusp the stronger the magnetism. Just another tidbit, you may want to check that out in various other charts to see.
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Lonake
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posted May 11, 2011 01:24 AM
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Originally posted by roadwarriorsdp:
plus i know people with uranus in the 1st and they are like bumble bees...
Can you explain the bumblebee reference? Do you mean they're just all over the place seeking attention, trying to put themselves out there as different and unique for the express purpose of getting others to pay attn to them, cos if so, I completely agree. They do things they'd label as out of the ordinary and then turn around and look to see if anyone noticed! ahahha And someone better notice or else they just sink back into themselves.IP: Logged |
sand
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posted May 11, 2011 02:18 AM
why libra and not taurus for 7th house?
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