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Topic: Charisma and magnetism
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roadwarriorsdp
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posted May 05, 2011 07:18 PM
  
this is why seventh housers and eight housers share and 1st and second housers hordeblow dust if you don't liek this traditional interpreation make your own rules up then like aries means fixed earth and libra means mutable fire and cry me a river when your confused about basic stuff...wa wa wa. IP: Logged |
Betty Boop
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posted May 05, 2011 07:29 PM
There is an interesting point in there somewhere ^
But that's not the way I would express it.Maybe 1st house people (with planets in the 1st) - are more ego-centric. They have a well defined SELF. They don't feel as though they need others, so they simply do their own thing. They might not even consider "attracting" others, because they don't have a desire or a need to be crowned - "Charismatic Person of the Year".
They trust their own abilities to get everything done by themselves. On the other hand, 7th house people are more aware of the importance of others in their lives. They know they must co-operate with these people and get them on their side... because everything the 7th house person achieves, they often achieve as a part of a team (working WITH others.. not alone). In a sense, a person with several 7th house planets might be more of a politician.
They might have more expertise in attracting others -- and using their charisma - because they intentionally perfect their charisma.
It is actually a goal for them to be "Charismatic Person of the Year". Whereas the 1st house person wouldn't enter the contest at all. ^ I think this could make sense ^ But I wonder what someone's personality would be like if they had bunch of planets in both houses... IP: Logged |
Doux Rêve
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posted May 05, 2011 07:31 PM
I know someone who has Sun and Mercury in the 7th, and Neptune and Uranus in the 1st.This person is both an individualist and a social butterfly.
Kinda both. IP: Logged |
roadwarriorsdp
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posted May 05, 2011 07:34 PM
No....the first house person is only thinking about themselvesand it's not in a charismatic way it's more in a way that's like "I'm hunger give me that sandwhich" or "Where the hell is my feed" They are only charismatic when they are extremely good looking and then still super selfish seventh house people go to work and instantly know what the person next to them needs and feels, but has trouble knowing themselves it has nothing to do with ego or confidence that is the sun and the sun rules the fourth house and leo so you are wrong to misapproriate my words... furthemore the 1st house people are the ones who think they are something when there is no objective evidence to their own detriment they are overconfident seventh house people have a clear objective few of themselves because they consider the other people and themselves.
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roadwarriorsdp
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posted May 05, 2011 07:36 PM
Once again this is naturaly, the first house person doesn't nor will they ever be able to be diplomatic and charismatic like the seventh house personnow before you spew a random list of celebrity names out please let me know how you know these people personaly... we all know seventh housers on a personal level becuase when they become famous they are extremely charismatic so even if they ate their own dog we still love them first housers are like aubry heburn, who was a mega skeez and slept with everyone in hollywood, all the young kids know her as the queen of std..... and we are the majority also talking about this is irrelevant the rules of astrology do not bend because soemone with first house placements was charismatic according to your own definition once again charisma is not tricking someone into doing something for you sorry
that is not charisma that is called being a pig. IP: Logged |
SmilingHeart
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posted May 05, 2011 07:38 PM
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Originally posted by roadwarriorsdp:
the 1st house people are the ones who think they are something when there is no objective evidence to their own detriment
they are overconfident seventh house people have a clear objective few of themselves because they consider the other people and themselves.
I think the only overconfident person here is you. Since you claim to be the poster boy for the 7th housers, it doesn't really shed a good light on them. And now go on throwing personal insults at me. I don't care.
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Betty Boop
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posted May 05, 2011 07:42 PM
I think Mars/Aries/1st house - is connected to ego and confidence as well.It's not only the Sun/Leo/5th house. In any case - Road - The reason people are having such a negative reaction to you, is that you are virtually bagging first house people. I think any astrologer would agree that ANY placement can have positive and negative manifestations.
You are focusing on the positive manifestations of 7th house people... and the negative manifestations of 1st house people (and then you compare/contrast the two).
This is not a fair comparison. I am curious... as an expert astrologer - What do you think the POSITIVE manifestations of first house planets - are?
You seem to imply that there are ONLY negative manifestations. IP: Logged |
Quinnie
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posted May 05, 2011 07:45 PM
BettyBoop :thumbs:Define Charisma......... 1st and 7th housers BOTH attract and repel...If you can post a reference or a quote from a credible astrologer who says otherwise then I believe you .....since it's "basic astrology" you should have no problem finding a reference  IP: Logged |
roadwarriorsdp
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posted May 05, 2011 07:51 PM
QuinniI would but you don't have the charisma to get me to do you own work. BLow heb samerite. Also, why do you get a job. And just so you know it is written officialy which axis is gravitation and which is magnetism and i will simply with hold the sources from you because I can... and I will share them with someone else, not you though because you are lame... how do you like dem apples? IP: Logged |
Quinnie
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posted May 05, 2011 07:52 PM
oh see now you are being charming...IP: Logged |
roadwarriorsdp
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posted May 05, 2011 07:54 PM
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Originally posted by Quinnie:
oh see now you are being charming...
I could care less about charisma, it comes too naturaly for me...i am trying to act like i have sun, venus, and libra in the first. IP: Logged |
roadwarriorsdp
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posted May 05, 2011 07:56 PM
ACtually, if I had sun in the first I'd probably be acting like rosanne after stepping on a rake or shovel.IP: Logged |
roadwarriorsdp
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posted May 05, 2011 08:20 PM
Quinnie? Is that related to the word quagmire? Sounds liek the name of a fat drunk irish maid with the charm of a fat toothless bum?IP: Logged |
Aya_and_baby
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posted May 05, 2011 08:31 PM
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Originally posted by roadwarriorsdp:
I have uranus in the seventh and people seem to bend over backwards to help me so the above is totaly wrong...plus i know people with uranus in the 1st and they are like bumble bees...
I just said it as it is. Like I said, I can get almost anything done just by being myself. People tend to like me upon meeting me personally, and pretty much bend over backwards to help me in any way too. So even if you do think what I said is totally wrong, those are my placements and that is my daily life. Whether it has to do with those placements is something different. Who are you really, to say that that is completely wrong? I have just as little reason to say that I can't imagine that people would bend over backwards to help you. ------------------
Scorp sun , Gem moon, Cap mars and Sag nearly everything else! Well, except Pluto and Saturn :p IP: Logged |
Aya_and_baby
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posted May 05, 2011 08:36 PM
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Originally posted by roadwarriorsdp:
Quinnie? Is that related to the word quagmire? Sounds liek the name of a fat drunk irish maid with the charm of a fat toothless bum?
Very charming...  ------------------
Scorp sun , Gem moon, Cap mars and Sag nearly everything else! Well, except Pluto and Saturn :p IP: Logged |
mochai
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posted May 05, 2011 08:37 PM
I haven't read all of the posts, but George W Bush had mercury pluto and venus in the 1st with neptune trine dsc. Obama had mars uranus and pluto in the 7th. MLK has sun conj MC and venus and pluto both trine dsc (grand water trine).You might also look at kundalini aspects by virtue of that making people charismatic. Road it can also make people a woman magnet depending upon the expression, and for no logical reason. There's more I could say but maybe a mod will catch up with you in the future
-_- Doux does have a charismatic feel to her, and if memory serves me correctly mars and pluto are on her dsc. Malcom X also had that configuration and was very charismatic (both in the 7th) and moon/merc conj ic opposed mc (not charismatic in and of itself I think it just works with the 7th config). Hitler had mercury sun mars and venus in the 7th. JFK had only mars in the 7th and has jupiter conj merc with uranus trine asc, sextile dsc, and quincunx mc, merc/mars trine moon. I'm not knowledgeable enough to say what exactly makes him charismatic. I've heard uranus implicated in kundalini in some books i've read. The only kaali he has is kaali opp saturn. He is 8th house heavy. Charles Manson has sun, venus, jupiter and merc in the 7th with sun/venus sextile/trine mc/ic. Putting him here because he's described as charismatic, but I never much paid attention to the story. Bill Clinton has only jupiter in the 1st but a packed 10th house, moon in the 8th, and 4 planets in leo. I do think people project more onto 7th housers.. IP: Logged |
CrazyAquarian
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posted May 06, 2011 12:34 AM
Oh shut up roadwarriorsdp!
We are here to give opinions and perspectives on things! Astrology isn't math, we learn through experiences, which is more than I can say for you.Stop preaching acting like yours IS FACT and getting ****** cause people aren't eating up everything you are saying without thinking for themself and bowing down to you for hearing your oh so noble "words". Once you said you piece thats that. People can take it or leave it, stop trying to force it on everyone.IP: Logged |
Doux Rêve
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posted May 06, 2011 04:24 AM
mochai, thank you a lot for your examples. (And yes, my Mars Pluto is not away from the Dsc though in the 6th  )Angles are important it seems.
Maybe the fixed houses and signs exude that something, also. (5th, 8th, Leo, Scorpio; Aqua, maybe??)
Ps. Guys.. please don't argue. 
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Aya_and_baby
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posted May 06, 2011 06:22 AM
I always get the impression that people with planets in their 7th house, project those onto other rather than that people project onto them...That is definitely the impression that I get from my moon in 7th. And past experience with the chart of others, leads me to draw the same conclusion. ------------------
Scorp sun , Gem moon, Cap mars and Sag nearly everything else! Well, except Pluto and Saturn :p IP: Logged |
Doux Rêve
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posted May 06, 2011 06:27 AM
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Originally posted by Aya_and_baby:
I always get the impression that people with planets in their 7th house, project those onto other rather than that people project onto them...That is definitely the impression that I get from my moon in 7th. And past experience with the chart of others, leads me to draw the same conclusion.
Totally agreed! IP: Logged |
Aya_and_baby
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posted May 06, 2011 06:36 AM
Minus the spelling mistakes   ------------------
Scorp sun , Gem moon, Cap mars and Sag nearly everything else! Well, except Pluto and Saturn :p IP: Logged |
VenusDiSirius
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posted May 06, 2011 06:45 AM
Many politicians have strong H7,especially Uranus or Sun; and,of course,their impact on masses we should interpret as charisma; When u deal with people H7 potential comes more personal,yet distinctive feeling that s/he is the one,leader,etc. Planet in H10 is always a shield,one is formed and protected by it; it can be great attraction,but still unreachable,and therefore not as charismatic as H7,1Planet. Still,I'd descirbe sb with strong H1 as magnetic;
As for H1,3 being shallow...  Well,roadwarrior has no planets there..IP: Logged |
CrazyAquarian
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posted May 06, 2011 11:21 PM
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Originally posted by Aya_and_baby:
I always get the impression that people with planets in their 7th house, project those onto other rather than that people project onto them...That is definitely the impression that I get from my moon in 7th. And past experience with the chart of others, leads me to draw the same conclusion.
My mother has got alot in her 7th house...she projects alot haCould you give an example of how you feel your moon in 7th projects? I know someone else with that too.
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enchantress299
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posted May 07, 2011 12:09 AM
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Maybe 1st house people (with planets in the 1st) - are more ego-centric. They have a well defined SELF. They don't feel as though they need others, so they simply do their own thing. They might not even consider "attracting" others, because they don't have a desire or a need to be crowned - "Charismatic Person of the Year".
They trust their own abilities to get everything done by themselves.
That's incredibly insightful Betty Boop. I have 3 planets in the 1st and an Aries Moon, and that's pretty much exactly the way I would describe it. IP: Logged |
Doux Rêve
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posted May 07, 2011 04:40 AM
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Could you give an example of how you feel your moon in 7th projects? I know someone else with that too.
I don't have the Moon in 7th but Mars on the Dsc and I often seem to meet people who, in my eyes, appear to be quite aggressive and argumentative. Even if they may not be that Aries-like, that's how I perceive them to be.
I must add that I only feel that way with close people, not simple acquaintances.
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