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Topic: How would you describe Sun conjunct Venus men?
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cappy1277
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posted June 27, 2011 05:04 PM
 
Of course, he's a cappy too so playtime is over...lol. luckily I'm not the crazy jealous boiling rabbits type or we wouldn't be together...lol! He thinks like a woman & I think like a man so we balance each other out. : )IP: Logged |
samsaoule
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posted June 27, 2011 05:12 PM
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Originally posted by cappy1277:
Of course, he's a cappy too so playtime is over...lol. luckily I'm not the crazy jealous boiling rabbits type or we wouldn't be together...lol! He thinks like a woman & I think like a man so we balance each other out. : )
It’s great to find a partner complementary to you like that! I wish you the best. I am a cappy too btw 
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posted June 27, 2011 05:40 PM
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sand
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posted June 27, 2011 05:42 PM
non astro but this is my enneatype. i think it ties into some parts of my chart. moon in leo 10th and sun conj venus probably.Type Three in Brief
Threes are self-assured, attractive, and charming. Ambitious, competent, and energetic, they can also be status-conscious and highly driven for advancement. They are diplomatic and poised, but can also be overly concerned with their image and what others think of them. They typically have problems with workaholism and competitiveness. At their Best: self-accepting, authentic, everything they seem to be—role models who inspire others. Basic Fear: Of being worthless
Basic Desire: To feel valuable and worthwhile
Enneagram Three with a Two-Wing: "The Charmer"
Enneagram Three with a Four-Wing: "The Professional"
Key Motivations: Want to be affirmed, to distinguish themselves from others, to have attention, to be admired, and to impress others. IP: Logged |
samsaoule
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posted June 27, 2011 06:00 PM
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Originally posted by sand:
non astro but this is my enneatype. i think it ties into some parts of my chart. moon in leo 10th and sun conj venus probably.Type Three in Brief
Threes are self-assured, attractive, and charming. Ambitious, competent, and energetic, they can also be status-conscious and highly driven for advancement. They are diplomatic and poised, but can also be overly concerned with their image and what others think of them. They typically have problems with workaholism and competitiveness. At their Best: self-accepting, authentic, everything they seem to be—role models who inspire others. Basic Fear: Of being worthless
Basic Desire: To feel valuable and worthwhile
Enneagram Three with a Two-Wing: "The Charmer"
Enneagram Three with a Four-Wing: "The Professional"
Key Motivations: Want to be affirmed, to distinguish themselves from others, to have attention, to be admired, and to impress others.
I know the enneagram, it is a very powerful tool to understand oneself.
I remember seeing a drawing of a Three enneatype man who was walking with a mask on his face he was holding with his hand. To me, there is no better image than this one to show the long journey for becoming true and genuine to the world AND to oneself. PS: I am an enneatype Four. IP: Logged |
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posted June 27, 2011 11:08 PM
Umm....to answer, Mars con Sun or Venus con Sun....the difference is huge!What I like about these aspects: mars con sun...I knew what he wanted, I never guessed...the fact that at one time I was what he wanted made me feel very loved. He was very aggressive in letting me know how he felt and he followed through with his actions. Venus con sun: Sweet...such a sweet heart. He is kind and considerate, much more passive and has no problem charming others if it needs to happen. personally, I find it very sexy but in a quite way..as where with sun/mars..it is much more manly but that can get annoying! what i don't like...
mars/sun too aggressive! always having to have it their way!
venus/sun...what the hell do they want? too passive sometimes! lol.. Im such a girl.
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samsaoule
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posted June 28, 2011 01:14 AM
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Originally posted by seeleah:
Umm....to answer, Mars con Sun or Venus con Sun....the difference is huge!What I like about these aspects: mars con sun...I knew what he wanted, I never guessed...the fact that at one time I was what he wanted made me feel very loved. He was very aggressive in letting me know how he felt and he followed through with his actions. Venus con sun: Sweet...such a sweet heart. He is kind and considerate, much more passive and has no problem charming others if it needs to happen. personally, I find it very sexy but in a quite way..as where with sun/mars..it is much more manly but that can get annoying! what i don't like...
mars/sun too aggressive! always having to have it their way!
venus/sun...what the hell do they want? too passive sometimes! lol.. Im such a girl.
Thanks for your comment, Seeleah. You made it very clear about their differences
As for Sun-Venus guys (or this part inside of them): “what the hell do they want?” I love how you catch it. 
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sand
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posted June 28, 2011 04:21 AM
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Originally posted by samsaoule:
I know the enneagram, it is a very powerful tool to understand oneself.
I remember seeing a drawing of a Three enneatype man who was walking with a mask on his face he was holding with his hand. To me, there is no better image than this one to show the long journey for becoming true and genuine to the world AND to oneself.PS: I am an enneatype Four.
aye i still prefer to keep my mask on atm. iz hard to shed as i'm also a scorp rising. i'm actually a wing 4 the professional and not the wing 2 charmer. it must be my merc in aries 6th too. tunnel vision and workaholism. this is chinese bazi and i think it comes to a similar conclusion as western astro but in different ways. "xin metal people can be pictured as gold, silver and platinum jewellery or a finely crafted pen or beautiful ring. xin people have very fine feelings and have unique opinions just like gold being sensitive to heat and electricity and emitting an unique radiance. They are approachable and are willing to help others, but sometimes, they would also tire themselves out with their heart of sympathy. xin people are very attractive, attracting other’s attention wherever they go. They are very sociable and can get into good friendships easily but they distinctively distinguish between good and bad. They often value relationships and are sentimental but their tendency to steal the show or hog the limelight can be very annoying. Their self respect is very strong. They love to indulge in vanity and new things, and therefore can spend unwisely most of the time. xin people are very quick in thinking and sharp, especially to get attention. They are people who like to get in the spotlight and focal point of everyone and if they are not, then you can count on them to make a scene. Shortcomings are that xin people puts a lot of emphasis on their exterior looks. They make sure that they are presentable at all times. They are willful and stubborn in terms of their own opinions. They find it hard to reject others when other people require assistance and this shows that xin people have a weakness in their mindset." i dun think they mean attractive as in physical. i'm not really there yet so i dunno but lady gaga is a xin metal. IP: Logged |
Ami Anne
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posted June 28, 2011 04:37 AM
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Originally posted by seeleah:
Umm....to answer, Mars con Sun or Venus con Sun....the difference is huge!What I like about these aspects: mars con sun...I knew what he wanted, I never guessed...the fact that at one time I was what he wanted made me feel very loved. He was very aggressive in letting me know how he felt and he followed through with his actions. Venus con sun: Sweet...such a sweet heart. He is kind and considerate, much more passive and has no problem charming others if it needs to happen. personally, I find it very sexy but in a quite way..as where with sun/mars..it is much more manly but that can get annoying! what i don't like...
mars/sun too aggressive! always having to have it their way!
venus/sun...what the hell do they want? too passive sometimes! lol.. Im such a girl.
Great descriptions Seeleah ------------------
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woah cakes
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posted June 28, 2011 05:40 AM
"I understand why those girls chase him. Sun conjunct Venus men are so charming that you really BELIEVE they try CONSCIOUSLY to seduce you personally and plan to have you as a lover. They play with you on the border of verbal and non verbal signs. They are great masters of ambiguity and I must add: “most of the time, without being aware of it”. That’s why people under their spell “aggressively” pursue them, because they want to clarify things or maybe they are simply driven crazy by those guys."wow, i'm seeing a venus-sun conjunction man and this is so completely true of him. he'sa two degree orb. he definitely seduced and persued me at the beginning (though claimed it was me eyeing him- dunno, maybe it was just mutual, but i do really think it was all his doing and then he very plainly and straightforwardly articulated his desire for me, which of course drove me crazy as his charm and general loveliness is through the roof). but he remains ever elusive about his feelings though he knows mine. we are so affectionate and it's so lovely and i guess my first house venus on my AC carries a similar vibe to an extent. it bugs me because he does exactly as quoted above: he plays with me on the border of verbal and non verbal signs. he will infer things.. dance around things.. speak two steps removed from his feelings.. within context.. but never QUITE directly, yet always so palpably suggesting feelings, and always in referrence to mine, and to my attempts at understanding him and it's so confusing! could they just be shy, perhaps? i have sun conjunct mars so i chase him, you could say; i'm very upfront about my feelings with him. i recently put it to him that it seems to me he might be debilitatingly shy despite his confidence and he did not refute this as a possibility but gave no real indication as to whether it was true either. yet our energy together is adoration and affection and sweetness up the wazoo. his sun/venus is on my chiron; his venus exact. confusing gentleman indeed. so am i really to keep chasing him as i feel him pull me in? is that what he really wants? it's confusing because at first he completely persued me.. his interest does not seemed to have waned at all, but it does seem as though maybe he does want to seduce me and pull me TOWARDS him now.. but i want to be stubborn and be persued myself, dangit! IP: Logged |
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posted June 28, 2011 08:30 AM
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cappy1277
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posted June 28, 2011 01:10 PM
woah cakes-i don't think it is that they are shy per se. I think they like to be put onto a pedestal and adored. They want to hear all the words of admiration & want to feel validated. Insecure may be a better word? IP: Logged |
samsaoule
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posted June 28, 2011 02:52 PM
quote:
Originally posted by sand:
aye i still prefer to keep my mask on atm. iz hard to shed as i'm also a scorp rising. i'm actually a wing 4 the professional and not the wing 2 charmer. it must be my merc in aries 6th too. tunnel vision and workaholism. this is chinese bazi and i think it comes to a similar conclusion as western astro but in different ways.
Actually, I know nothing about chinese bazi (I will make some research), but it seems all those techniques come to describe you nearly the same way with slightly different perspective about your personality. So, it is indeed very interesting. Thanks for giving me this valuable information.
As for the sun conjunct venus men, I noticed their power of attraction is greatly due to the contrast they display between masculinity and feminity (although they are often intertwined). Those qualities are usually highly differenciated in their personality and yet look harmoniously integrated...The greater the contrast between masculinity and feminity, the stronger is the attraction felt by the people they met. I have met viril guys with manly features who subtly make you feel they want to merge with you as venus would (feminine, personal love archetype, unification principle) creating a powerful contrast that makes you feel you want to be part of this polarity and complement them with your own feminity (Venus) or/and masculinity (Mars). A strong Venus brings people together and it is as if Venus was subtly telling you to match (and merge) the guy’s masculinity or/and feminity with your own polarities. In other words, they arouse Venus (/Mars) in yourself  I think that’s why they attract everybody ...at least, initially...Because afterward, things may change if there is no depth behind this display of masculine/feminine qualities.
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posted June 28, 2011 02:58 PM
hmmmmm.. see the thing is he does not come across as insecure AT ALL. sensitive, yes, but very manly, strong sensitive; protective, warm, on top of things, dependable. very confident. but any time i've walked away because of his dancing and confusing words, he's immediately pulled me back in. so that could be insecurity; and that he's just afraid to express himself..? man it is so confusing, but in reading this thread i definitely recognize him and it is giving me a whole new perspective on the reasons behind his actions. so: are they are kinda like empowered women; sensitive and feeling, drawing the man to her with her charms and sweetness? they will definitely NOT chase? and they like TO be chased, but never completely 'give it up' until they're sure or something?IP: Logged |
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posted June 28, 2011 03:00 PM
samsaoule, funny! we you posted while i was writing and what you say is similar to what i was saying! that really makes sense to me, because this man is soooo masculine yet so soft and sweet at the same time and it is VERY alluring. IP: Logged |
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posted June 28, 2011 03:01 PM
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Originally posted by woah cakes:
hmmmmm.. see the thing is he does not come across as insecure AT ALL. sensitive, yes, but very manly, strong sensitive; protective, warm, on top of things, dependable. very confident. but any time i've walked away because of his dancing and confusing words, he's immediately pulled me back in. so that could be insecurity; and that he's just afraid to express himself..? man it is so confusing, but in reading this thread i definitely recognize him and it is giving me a whole new perspective on the reasons behind his actions. so: are they are kinda like empowered women; sensitive and feeling, drawing the man to her with her charms and sweetness? they will definitely NOT chase? and they like TO be chased, but never completely 'give it up' until they're sure or something?
It is interesting that you have Mars conjunct the Sun Woah.
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posted June 28, 2011 03:05 PM
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Originally posted by woah cakes:
"I understand why those girls chase him. Sun conjunct Venus men are so charming that you really BELIEVE they try CONSCIOUSLY to seduce you personally and plan to have you as a lover. They play with you on the border of verbal and non verbal signs. They are great masters of ambiguity and I must add: “most of the time, without being aware of it”. That’s why people under their spell “aggressively” pursue them, because they want to clarify things or maybe they are simply driven crazy by those guys."wow, i'm seeing a venus-sun conjunction man and this is so completely true of him. he'sa two degree orb. he definitely seduced and persued me at the beginning (though claimed it was me eyeing him- dunno, maybe it was just mutual, but i do really think it was all his doing and then he very plainly and straightforwardly articulated his desire for me, which of course drove me crazy as his charm and general loveliness is through the roof). but he remains ever elusive about his feelings though he knows mine. we are so affectionate and it's so lovely and i guess my first house venus on my AC carries a similar vibe to an extent. it bugs me because he does exactly as quoted above: he plays with me on the border of verbal and non verbal signs. he will infer things.. dance around things.. speak two steps removed from his feelings.. within context.. but never QUITE directly, yet always so palpably suggesting feelings, and always in referrence to mine, and to my attempts at understanding him and it's so confusing! could they just be shy, perhaps? i have sun conjunct mars so i chase him, you could say; i'm very upfront about my feelings with him. i recently put it to him that it seems to me he might be debilitatingly shy despite his confidence and he did not refute this as a possibility but gave no real indication as to whether it was true either. yet our energy together is adoration and affection and sweetness up the wazoo. his sun/venus is on my chiron; his venus exact. confusing gentleman indeed. so am i really to keep chasing him as i feel him pull me in? is that what he really wants? it's confusing because at first he completely persued me.. his interest does not seemed to have waned at all, but it does seem as though maybe he does want to seduce me and pull me TOWARDS him now.. but i want to be stubborn and be persued myself, dangit!
You are describing very well the fact it is partly a game for them, a game of ambiguous attraction. They play with polarities before they play with you, personally...If you understand that and are strong enough to play with your energies as well. Great. But they are masters at their art and it may be difficult to play with someone who may not really experience himself the depth of the feelings he arouses in you. IP: Logged |
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posted June 28, 2011 03:07 PM
cool, ami.hey that's interesting because i've always considered myself really androgynous or a tomboy at heart and always felt very guyish (though people tell me i'm very feminine, i don't particularly feel it or see it) and i used to go for 'femmy' sensitive guys (read: major mother complexes).. he was the first real manly man i was ever attracted to, and it feels like a great balance since inside he might be more like a lady while outside he's strong and protective, and i'm just the opposite! IP: Logged |
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posted June 28, 2011 03:11 PM
I think deep down inside its insecurity masked by their masculine pride. Its a very weird conundrum I've had to play out a few times. When something goes wrong his attitude is like "fine- do what you gotta do. Life will go on without you" but when asked to put the cards on the table, it'll come out but you will have to read between the lines & watch the physical cues. Ex: whenever he feels lovey dovey or feels bad about something, he kisses me on both cheeks & then on the lips to signify I love you even though he has never said it. IP: Logged |
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posted June 28, 2011 03:12 PM
uhoh! samsaoule, what is up with that?? do you really think this conjunction alone infers shallow feelings? if it is like a 'game' that they would try to arouse these feelings, might it be so that THEY can learn to feel them too? it's not a malicious game is it? wow, what a whopper of a concept. i will try to get my head around how sun (ego) and venus (love) could conspire in such a way.. IP: Logged |
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posted June 28, 2011 03:15 PM
cappy, that is very much like him; he will dangle me over the edge through his inadmission to his feelings and then as soon as i say, fine, i will jump! that is when he pulls me back in.. and yeah there are cues and clues all the time, and i do FEEL that underneath he is insecure but it is like SO well hidden and the very opposite is projected. jeepers! what a weird bunch.IP: Logged |
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posted June 28, 2011 03:19 PM
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Originally posted by woah cakes:
uhoh! samsaoule, what is up with that?? do you really think this conjunction alone infers shallow feelings? if it is like a 'game' that they would try to arouse these feelings, might it be so that THEY can learn to feel them too? it's not a malicious game is it? wow, what a whopper of a concept. i will try to get my head around how sun (ego) and venus (love) could conspire in such a way..
I did not mean it was necessarily an intentional game (most of the time it is not intentional, it is just the way their ego interacts naturally with Venus). As Cappy1277 wrote, there may be down inside some insecurity that pushes them to play unintentionally this game...It may be sometimes linked to a defense mechanism (ego is involved). IP: Logged |
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posted June 28, 2011 03:20 PM
That's probably the best way to describe sun/venus conjunction...projection artists..lol. I always have to tell him NOT to speak for me & that what he thinks I'm feeling is actually him feeling that way...lol. so frustrating but it makes for interesting convo's.IP: Logged |
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posted June 28, 2011 03:25 PM
I think that men with sun/venus conjunctions were deeply hurt at some point in there lives that make them act the way they do...at least that's my take. Maybe at one point (or karma) they wore their heart on their sleeves & got kicked in the butt for it.IP: Logged |
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posted June 28, 2011 03:35 PM
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Originally posted by woah cakes:
cool, ami.hey that's interesting because i've always considered myself really androgynous or a tomboy at heart and always felt very guyish (though people tell me i'm very feminine, i don't particularly feel it or see it) and i used to go for 'femmy' sensitive guys (read: major mother complexes).. he was the first real manly man i was ever attracted to, and it feels like a great balance since inside he might be more like a lady while outside he's strong and protective, and i'm just the opposite!
I am glad you were not insulted Woah 
I can really pick up people's vibes from LL.
I don;t know if I am unique in that or not but I feel like I know many of you better than I know real life people lol
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