posted July 18, 2011 03:32 PM            

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Originally posted by sand:
conjunct or not?

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Hi Sand

Traditionnaly, the orb for a conjunction is 10 degrees, but for the luminaries (Sun and Moon) it can be up to 12 degrees. Hitler’s Venus lies 16 degrees after the Sun. Therefore, it is not considered as a conjunction. However, Hitler’s Venus is at home in Taurus and it is the ASC and Sun ruler, so it is a strong Venus. As Cappy1277 wrote, charms and biased ideology are not incompatible... I read that great astrologer Liz Green noticed Hitler looked quite shy just before his powerful and terrible discourses (she pointed out his ASC in Libra and Venus), and then, suddenly, he looked like possessed by some kind of transpersonal energy that she linked to his Pluto-Neptune and Uranus ASC conjunctions (if I do remember well).

posted July 18, 2011 03:42 PM            

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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
For me,personally,Venus conj Sun men are too pretty.
I don't mean this as an insult to anyone,of course.
I think of classic "beautiful" men as in male models.
They do not appeal to me, personally.
Libra in a man does not appeal to me,in any placement, I don't think.
i can feel it as one would taste curry in a soup
I LOVE it in male friends. My best friend is a male Libra Sun.
However,I do not feel attracted to Libra energy.
Can anyone relate?

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I assume beauty is in the eyes of the beholder. Depending where your mars and Venus are, and if there are planets in VII and V Houses, etc. all that will colour your inner ideal man. However, life may surprise you one day... You may fall for a Libra man, who knows?
I cannot state I will never be attracted to a Libra man, but I can say I am usually mainly attracted to sagittarius, Gemini and cancer men

posted July 18, 2011 11:09 PM            

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Originally posted by samsaoule:
I do not know why, but now I spot Sun-Venus men 100 miles away, lol.

If you want to see a Sun-Venus (-Mercury) conjunction man (with a Neptunian undertone, as the conjunction falls in Pisces, and Mercury which gives him this facial mobility and expressivity), look at this fanvid showing Jensen Ackles

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posted July 18, 2011 11:16 PM            

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Originally posted by samsaoule:
Hitler�s Venus is at home in Taurus and it is the ASC and Sun ruler, so it is a strong Venus.

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posted July 19, 2011 07:28 AM            

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Originally posted by Lonake:

Well he is definitely a pretty-boy! Not my type but I can see Sun/Venus at work, for sure.
It's funny, my Grandpa was Sun/Venus conj (Libra), my Dad is Sun/Venus conj (Pisces), I've dated men with this conjunction in Aries & Aquarius from what I can remember.
It's true, after a while I guess you can spot em.
But to me they seem distant as well as attractive, charming, etc. and do you feel that there is some expectation that you have to live up to around them? That you have to embody Venus too, to be allowed in their inner circle? I always see it as a cliquish sort of aspect. This one to me says, 'Members Only'. They will interact with those not allowed in, but you have to abide by a certain code to really get close. As a person without that conj growing up around Sun/Venus men that's how it felt. I have Moon/Venus conj so it was sort of like getting admitted on the sly, but I have to lean hard on my Libra stellium around them.

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I think you hit the nail on the head. Once, a sun conjunct Venus man in Cancer told me: "I cannot be friend with anybody I have known for just a few months, but it is easy for me to be and act friendly with people". And indeed, he looked and acted as a friend to some people around, the illusion was just perfect, but it was all superficial...deep inside, he did not really care of them. Lol. He told me: "I cannot commit easily. The few friends I have, I know them from childhood". They can get along with anybody very easily, but it is a different story to get truly close to them. It would be interesting to know which rules others have to abide to get the right to be truly close to them. It is a shame we do not have more sun-venus men sharing on this thread. It would have been interesting to deepen our understanding of this aspect.

Btw, there was this charming guy I knew who had Sun conjunct Venus in Sagittarius (enneatype 1). Many people fell in love with him...to no avail. One night, he confessed me he was in love with a woman, with whom he had an affair for a short time, but she broke up with him and she did not want to see him any more. He told me he spent hours in his car waiting for her outside her house, to be able to talk to her. He told me : "she is so perfect". Lol. I thought there was some kind of justice somewhere. Lol. But here again, it would be interesting to know the key criteria for them to fall for (-or even be friend with-)someone.

posted July 19, 2011 07:50 AM            

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Originally posted by samsaoule:
I think you hit the nail on the head. Once, a sun conjunct Venus man in Cancer told me: "I cannot be friend with anybody I have known for just a few months, but it is easy for me to be and act friendly with people". And indeed, he looked and acted as a friend to some people around, the illusion was just perfect, but it was all superficial...deep inside, he did not really care of them. Lol. He told me: "I cannot commit easily. The few friends I have, I know them from childhood". They can get along with anybody very easily, but it is a different story to get truly close to them. It would be interesting to know which rules others have to abide to get the right to be truly close to them. It is a shame we do not have more sun-venus men sharing on this thread. It would have been interesting to deepen our understanding of this aspect.

Btw, there was this charming guy I knew who had Sun conjunct Venus in Sagittarius (enneatype 1). Many people fell in love with him...to no avail. One night, he confessed me he was in love with a woman, with whom he had an affair for a short time, but she broke up with him and she did not want to see him any more. He told me he spent hours in his car waiting for her outside her house, to be able to talk to her. He told me : "she is so perfect". Lol. I thought there was some kind of justice somewhere. Lol. But here again, it would be interesting to know the key criteria for them to fall for (-or even be friend with-)someone.

As for me, I must confess when I meet one of them in my entourage now, I tend to avoid them and flee far away, lol. I think: "too much trouble".

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Fascinating post Sam
Utterly fascinating.
Mert has talked about how hard it is to get close.
If you are there, Mert,can you relate?

posted July 19, 2011 08:10 AM            

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Originally posted by samsaoule:
Hi Sand

Traditionnaly, the orb for a conjunction is 10 degrees, but for the luminaries (Sun and Moon) it can be up to 12 degrees.

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posted July 19, 2011 08:15 AM            

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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
Fascinating post Sam
Utterly fascinating.
Mert has talked about how hard it is to get close.
If you are there, Mert,can you relate?

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posted July 19, 2011 08:19 AM            

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Originally posted by MertSerimer:
My lady, i think that post seems somewhat true to me but i dont think only this aspect is the problem. My afflicted moon and SATURN in 11 can also make things harder for me to get close but for sun conjunct venus people, socializing are REALLY EASY. Inner side is another problem. They want to be loved because of their charm. When a SOME TIME comes, they think that they are ONLY LOVED cuz of their charm but not for their personality. It is the conflict. They wonder whether if they would be loved if they are ugly!!!!. But problem they are projecting their ego with only venus traits. They are not projecting with any other traits if there are no conjunctions. Since only venus traits are projected, due to people seeing only venusian type they just fall for or like it.

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Brilliant explanation Darling
You know,Mert,you always make me feel special so that Venus charm is real!

posted July 19, 2011 08:20 AM            

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Originally posted by sand:
conjunct or not? dis mine.

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posted July 19, 2011 08:23 AM            

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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
Brilliant explanation Darling
You know,Mert,you always make me feel special so that Venus charm is real!

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posted July 19, 2011 08:25 AM            

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Originally posted by MertSerimer:
Thx for your compliments and help so far my lady =))). It is appreciated a lot =)). You are very caring and helpful person. Sure you are cute too as you say

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Nothing like giving myself a compliment

posted July 19, 2011 08:28 AM            

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Originally posted by MertSerimer:
My lady, i think that post seems somewhat true to me but i dont think only this aspect is the problem. My afflicted moon and SATURN in 11 can also make things harder for me to get close but for sun conjunct venus people, socializing are REALLY EASY. Inner side is another problem. They want to be loved because of their charm. When a SOME TIME comes, they think that they are ONLY LOVED cuz of their charm but not for their personality. It is the conflict. They wonder whether if they would be loved if they are ugly!!!!. But problem they are projecting their ego with only venus traits. They are not projecting with any other traits if there are no conjunctions. Since only venus traits are projected, due to people seeing only venusian type they just fall for or like it.

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posted July 19, 2011 08:35 AM            

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Originally posted by samsaoule:
Yes, of course, other aspects have to be considered. So, basically, you need someone to see you as you are beyond your natural charms. If she loves you for who you really are, this would trigger love in you. But do you know who you are? Do you love yourself as you are? And can you show people who you are?

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Brilliant Sam
Totally

posted July 19, 2011 08:39 AM            

Well,later on I got a "vision".It was not a vision in terms of fall down and be transported somewhere.
It was a picture in my head but it was the answer.

I saw myself lying in bed with this person,just talking, staring in to his face and he mine.

The answer was that WHEN I could be all *I* was,I could have him cuz then I would be ready for him.

posted July 19, 2011 08:52 AM            

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to me partners can get close. probably 1 or 2 friends from high school. maybe just 1, a cancer sun. my other best friend was a cap and being earth signs that friendship was more rooted in power/ status. probably still is. in college i hung out with my classmates but they kinda knew i wouldn't be hanging around with them after.

i also used to question why people were sitting with my group but in a joking way ehehe! k i was a meanie in my younger years! give me a toy or i won't be your friend haha! or i'd make an inner circle because there were too many people in the group already. i thought that was my 11th house virgo though. being picky with friends. could be!

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As I already wrote, Venus in Sun-Venus men arouse other people's Venus as it is a way for their sun-ego to feel enhanced If you ask for other people to give you a proof of their love or friendship it feeds your need for acknowledgment and self esteem. You know how to shine and get what you need.

posted July 19, 2011 08:57 AM            

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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
I will share something personal cuz it relates to this.
I really had someone I was in love with.
I asked God to show me the outcome of this relationship.
I asked with a fervency. The Bible says God listens based on your degree of faith.(I don't want to argue religion here,obviously.I am just telling my story )

Well,later on I got a "vision".It was not a vision in terms of fall down and be transported somewhere.
It was a picture in my head but it was the answer.

I saw myself lying in bed with this person,just talking, staring in to his face and he,mine.

The answer was that WHEN I could be all *I* was,I could have him cuz then I would be ready for him.

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posted July 19, 2011 08:59 AM            

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Originally posted by samsaoule:
Yes, this is basically what we all need to be truly loved: being true and genuine for the people we care, and love ourselves for who we are, strenghts and weaknesses. Simple and hard at the same time.

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Very simple, I suppose but very hard as you said. Wonderful points ,Sam.
Thank you so much!

posted July 21, 2011 10:50 AM            

Charles Manson: Sun 19 Scorpio 50' conjunct Venus 18 Scorpio 19'

John F. Kennedy: Sun 7 Gemini 51' conjunct Venus 16 Gemini 45'

i added the girls coz they're awesome especially chanel lol!

Coco Chanel: Sun 26 Leo 17' conjunct Venus 17 Leo 32'

Oprah Winfrey: Sun 9 Aquarius 00' conjunct Venus 8 Aquarius 51'

posted July 21, 2011 11:01 AM            

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Originally posted by sand:
so it's either a president or a madman!

Charles Manson: Sun 19 Scorpio 50' conjunct Venus 18 Scorpio 19'

John F. Kennedy: Sun 7 Gemini 51' conjunct Venus 16 Gemini 45'

i added the girls coz they're awesome especially chanel lol!

Coco Chanel: Sun 26 Leo 17' conjunct Venus 17 Leo 32'

Oprah Winfrey: Sun 9 Aquarius 00' conjunct Venus 8 Aquarius 51'

Read more: http://astrofix.net/2011/02/21/sunvenus-aspects/#ixzz1SkeWBPJT

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WOW Can you add more Sand

posted July 21, 2011 10:36 PM            

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Originally posted by samsaoule:
It is a shame we do not have more sun-venus men sharing on this thread. It would have been interesting to deepen our understanding of this aspect.

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