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Topic: What makes a Feminist?
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vertiver
Knowflake Posts: 1456
From: Firey Jupiter
Registered: May 2009
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posted June 27, 2011 04:26 PM
  
I'm a feminist and I wonder if they are certain aspects that would suggest it? IP: Logged |
frankie2912
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From: yep,ks,usa
Registered: Apr 2011
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posted June 27, 2011 04:35 PM
I used to not care about feminism or women's roles..I was raised by a very strong, outspoken, hard working mother and a dad who was just as strong but totally respected my mom for it. My sister and I are both like that, too..and we've always thought that's just the way women are.As I have gotten older I've noticed more and more disrespect toward women and , most upsetting of all, how so many women view themselves and allow themselves to be treated. It INFURIATES me!! So recently I have noticed I AM a feminist, too! Go us 
As far as astrology...not sure..post your chart and I'll post mine, and let's see if we have any similarities?
Mine (ignore the name asteroid):
My sister is also a Capricorn with Sag moon, Cap rising. Very independent and in your face - may contribute to a woman being strong and proud of her femininity. My mom is a Cancer/Leo with Aries moon..again, independent and wants to be at the top of her game. I don't know what their views are on feminism, though..they're just the type of girls you don't push around or **** off!
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vertiver
Knowflake Posts: 1456
From: Firey Jupiter
Registered: May 2009
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posted June 27, 2011 04:48 PM
I'm the opposite of you, in that I grew up with a feminist mother who was strict yet very open and taught me that independence is the key to being a functioning person whether female or not.I notice that you have a Sag. stellium and its in the 2nd house of values. You need independence and adventure, yet pesky Saturn is in there too, which might contribute to your earlier conservative values? If you saw my chart, there are so many factors that scream feminist, Sag. ASC. Venus opposite Uranus/Saturn and Aries Mars conjunct the IC and Leo Sun square Pluto in the 11th H. IP: Logged |
Betty Boop
Knowflake Posts: 1257
From: Betty Boop Land
Registered: Sep 2010
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posted June 27, 2011 06:08 PM
I'd prefer to call myself a humanist, because I think the word 'feminism' has lost its meaning and has been mis-interpreted in several ways, throughout the years.But feminists are generally anti-humanism.. from the perspective that we should tackle one issue at a time.. and that male-female social/financial/political inequality is a problem that needs to be tackled separately.
This is an example: http://www.harpyness.com/2009/09/01/humanist-is-not-a-sufficient-replacement-for-femi nist I disagree with this perspective, as I don't believe you can *separate* these issues.. Every one person can be discriminated against for several things.. An african-american woman could be discriminated against for being a a woman and for her skin colour. A disabled person who also has ADD can be discriminated against for both of those things in the work place. There are sooooo many areas of discrimination and I don't feel a stronger passion against the male-female social/political discrepancy, out there. IP: Logged |
Betty Boop
Knowflake Posts: 1257
From: Betty Boop Land
Registered: Sep 2010
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posted June 27, 2011 06:14 PM
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independence is the key to being a functioning person
I agree. I had a similar upbringing. Sun/Mars in Aries/Capricorn/Scorpio/Leo - are more likely to be in this boat. IP: Logged |
AstrologicalMan
Knowflake Posts: 172
From: Brickenton
Registered: Jun 2011
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posted June 27, 2011 07:14 PM
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Originally posted by vertiver:
I'm a feminist and I wonder if they are certain aspects that would suggest it?
You have to kind of hate men. Most women who are feminists were sexually abused or molested by Men when they were younger. IP: Logged |
amowls**
Knowflake Posts: 505
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Registered: Dec 2010
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posted June 27, 2011 07:23 PM
Betty, the modern Feminist Movement does address issues related to other types of oppression, including racism, ableism, homophobia and ageism. There are lots of blogs, for instance, that are run by feminist women of color (some are also queer). Sure, there are a lot of problems with the movement (mainly the fact that it's so fractured), but if you believe that women are equal to men and SHOULD BE TREATED THAT WAY, you are a feminist. Period.AstrologicalMan, feminists do not hate men. Ignorant people may think that, but ignorant people do not speak for feminists. YOU for instance, don't speak for me. I have never been abused or molested and I identify as a feminist. That's a myth propagated by people who do not take feminist issues seriously. I don't hate MEN, I hate the patriarchal structure in our society that says that men and women should be treated differently, that women make up %51 of the population, do 2/3s of the world's work and yet hold 1% of the wealth. ONE PERCENT. If you don't see how that's unfair, you're part of the problem. I think BML/asteroid Lilith/DML play a role in ones natal chart. Lilith, after all, was said to be Adam's first wife, who would not lie before him and would not submit to him claiming that they were equals. I have BML exactly opposite my Sun. I also have Venus square Uranus/Saturn and strong Sag placements as well as a Libra Moon (equality is pretty important to Libras). IP: Logged |
Benedict Moon*
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From: Avendesora
Registered: May 2009
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posted June 27, 2011 07:32 PM
I would personally look to the condition of the feminine planets over any sign influence. IP: Logged |
teasel
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Registered: Apr 2009
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posted June 27, 2011 08:06 PM
You don't have to kind of hate men, to be a feminist. You can be for women and still like/love/admire good men. IP: Logged |
teasel
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posted June 27, 2011 08:08 PM
http://tomatonation.com/culture-and-criticism/yes-you-are/ IP: Logged |
AstrologicalMan
Knowflake Posts: 172
From: Brickenton
Registered: Jun 2011
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posted June 27, 2011 08:25 PM
Theres a difference between someone who supports women and feminists. Feminists are kind of like Nazis. I support women the same if not more than I support men but Feminists are kind of unbalanced. If I were a "Masculinist", I would be unbalanced as well.There have been many studies and they have found that it is a fact that most all feminists were either physically, emotionally or sexually abused by men. If this isn't the case and you don't hate men, then you probably aren't a feminist, you just support women. It is the same for women who think that they are lesbians but we will come to find that lesbians don't really exist. Neither do homosexuals. Women have clits which are tiny penises and men have t its. IP: Logged |
amowls**
Knowflake Posts: 505
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Registered: Dec 2010
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posted June 27, 2011 08:37 PM
Haha show me these "studies", PLEASE. I'd love to see those.I'm not even going to touch that Nazi comment, or the ignorant lesbian one. IP: Logged |
AstrologicalMan
Knowflake Posts: 172
From: Brickenton
Registered: Jun 2011
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posted June 27, 2011 08:40 PM
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Originally posted by amowls**:
Haha show me these "studies", PLEASE. I'd love to see those.I'm not even going to touch that Nazi comment, or the ignorant lesbian one.
because you can't. You know that I will prove you wrong but this isn't about being wrong or right, this is about the facts. We are on the same page anyway. We both support women, neither one of us are feminists. Don't put yourself under such a shallow label. We will never evolve if the feminist still exists. IP: Logged |
AstrologicalMan
Knowflake Posts: 172
From: Brickenton
Registered: Jun 2011
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posted June 27, 2011 08:51 PM
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Originally posted by teasel:
You don't have to kind of hate men, to be a feminist. You can be for women and still like/love/admire good men.
I agree. That is what I am, that is what you are. That isn't a feminist. People need to learn not to label themselves, there is no extreme that is ever good. IP: Logged |
amowls**
Knowflake Posts: 505
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Registered: Dec 2010
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posted June 27, 2011 08:58 PM
Actually I am a feminist because I am familiar with the movement, which you are clearly ignorant of. You can't even prove yourself right. I want PROOF, not false statements, which is why I'm asking for these so-called studies (which don't actually exist).Change doesn't happen just by sitting back and waiting. Action is necessary. Even now people are wittling away abortion rights, 1 in 4 women will get raped in their lifetimes, and American women still make 77 cents to every dollar a man makes (even when adjusted for career and education level). Feminism isn't even an extreme cause. If you've ever felt "victimized" by feminists, its probably becauseyou were behaving in a sexist/misogynist manner and you should cut it out. Or you were probably getting defensive about your male privilege. Feminists don't hate men. Period, full stop. IP: Logged |
AstrologicalMan
Knowflake Posts: 172
From: Brickenton
Registered: Jun 2011
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posted June 27, 2011 11:32 PM
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Originally posted by amowls**:
Actually I am a feminist because I am familiar with the movement, which you are clearly ignorant of. You can't even prove yourself right. I want PROOF, not false statements, which is why I'm asking for these so-called studies (which don't actually exist).Change doesn't happen just by sitting back and waiting. Action is necessary. Even now people are wittling away abortion rights, 1 in 4 women will get raped in their lifetimes, and American women still make 77 cents to every dollar a man makes (even when adjusted for career and education level). Feminism isn't even an extreme cause. If you've ever felt "victimized" by feminists, its probably becauseyou were behaving in a sexist/misogynist manner and you should cut it out. Or you were probably getting defensive about your male privilege. Feminists don't hate men. Period, full stop.
"movement". That sounds a little Hitler to me. What exactly are you doing to make change possible? Complaining about it on an internet forum isn't going to really accomplish anything. Sorry to break it to you. Women who usually get raped are the ones who are asking for it. Believe it or not there are certain women who are actually turned on by the idea of dressing up provocative and then having a man force himself on her. *A man never rapes a strong confident woman.* You can't change nature. Men have better jobs than women because currently, men are smarter than women are from a business stand point. You can't change women this way. You can't force women to have a more business orientated mind, it just doesn't work that way.Currently, Women are generally too emotional to ever be able to surpass men in the business or political world. I'm not victimized by anyone. I find the feminist "movement" laughable. Women who really change things don't consider themselves feminists. IP: Logged |
lunatic
Knowflake Posts: 265
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Registered: Oct 2010
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posted June 27, 2011 11:48 PM
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Originally posted by AstrologicalMan:
"movement". That sounds a little Hitler to me. What exactly are you doing to make change possible? Complaining about it on an internet forum isn't going to really accomplish anything. Sorry to break it to you.Women who usually get raped are the ones who are asking for it. Believe it or not there are certain women who are actually turned on by the idea of dressing up provocative and then having a man force himself on her. *A man never rapes a strong confident woman.* You can't change nature. Men have better jobs than women because currently, men are smarter than women are from a business stand point. You can't change women this way. You can't force women to have a more business orientated mind, it just doesn't work that way.Currently, Women are generally too emotional to ever be able to surpass men in the business or political world. I'm not victimized by anyone. I find the feminist "movement" laughable. Women who really change things don't consider themselves feminists.
What a jerk are you man IP: Logged |
pixelpixie
Knowflake Posts: 284
From: ON Canada
Registered: Apr 2009
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posted June 27, 2011 11:48 PM
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Originally posted by AstrologicalMan:
"movement". That sounds a little Hitler to me. What exactly are you doing to make change possible? Complaining about it on an internet forum isn't going to really accomplish anything. Sorry to break it to you.Women who usually get raped are the ones who are asking for it. Believe it or not there are certain women who are actually turned on by the idea of dressing up provocative and then having a man force himself on her. You can't change nature. Men have better jobs than women because currently, men are smarter than women are from a business stand point. You can't change women this way. You can't force women to have a more business orientated mind, it just doesn't work that way.Currently, Women are generally too emotional to ever be able to surpass men in the business or political world. I'm not victimized by anyone. I find the feminist "movement" laughable. Women who really change things don't consider themselves feminists.
I will never look to anything you say from this moment on with any amount of credibility.
Clearly you are a troll and if you are not, you are the stupidest non-troll to believe you can make a statement like the one you just did and expect there not to be ramifications. Women ask for rape?
I don't believe you can safely come to the conclusion that because some people enjoy bedroom play between consenting adults that is 'kinky', it is the same thing as a man forcing his erect penis into her vagina with no consent from her. Or any combination of a forced intrusion of one's body. That is a complete violation of humanity. Feminist/masculinist/violinist.
It's a violation of your BASIC right to safety.
You are sick. I am a feminist.
Because I am a female (root of the word)
-ist- means you are 'for' something or it defines what you do (as in 'machinist' or 'sadist'
So by the very definition of the word, aside from connotations, I am a feminist. I am pro female. I don't believe that women should be treated unfairly because they are women. No one chooses how they are born and every one of us have qualities the world needs.
Without women- no world. How can you NOT be a feminist? IP: Logged |
PlutoSquared
Moderator Posts: 4500
From: Mars
Registered: Aug 2010
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posted June 27, 2011 11:57 PM
AstrologicalMan is walking a fine line.IP: Logged |
AstrologicalMan
Knowflake Posts: 172
From: Brickenton
Registered: Jun 2011
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posted June 28, 2011 12:11 AM
Why is it that every time I type my mind, it is somehow unjustified? I am not "trolling". I have been here probably longer than you. I am just explaining things from a different perspective. There is no reason to get all antsy on me. Dislike the ideas and not the person but find out why you dislike the idea and then you will come to understanding. IP: Logged |
AstrologicalMan
Knowflake Posts: 172
From: Brickenton
Registered: Jun 2011
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posted June 28, 2011 12:14 AM
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Originally posted by lunatic:
What a jerk are you man
Instead of just saying that I am a jerk can you explain what upset you? I don't understand what I did so wrong. IP: Logged |
AstrologicalMan
Knowflake Posts: 172
From: Brickenton
Registered: Jun 2011
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posted June 28, 2011 12:20 AM
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Originally posted by pixelpixie:
I will never look to anything you say from this moment on with any amount of credibility.
Clearly you are a troll and if you are not, you are the stupidest non-troll to believe you can make a statement like the one you just did and expect there not to be ramifications.Women ask for rape?
I don't believe you can safely come to the conclusion that because some people enjoy bedroom play between consenting adults that is 'kinky', it is the same thing as a man forcing his erect penis into her vagina with no consent from her. Or any combination of a forced intrusion of one's body. That is a complete violation of humanity. Feminist/masculinist/violinist.
It's a violation of your BASIC right to safety.
You are sick. I am a feminist.
Because I am a female (root of the word)
-ist- means you are 'for' something or it defines what you do (as in 'machinist' or 'sadist'
So by the very definition of the word, aside from connotations, I am a feminist. I am pro female. I don't believe that women should be treated unfairly because they are women. No one chooses how they are born and every one of us have qualities the world needs.
Without women- no world. How can you NOT be a feminist?
You must understand that some women have gone to extremes. In order to get satisfaction they have to put themselves in danger. This is a sexual thrill. Men just don't go around with their pants around their ankles rapping women in the malls. There is a plot usually. Women put themselves in situations where she knows that a man can take advantage of her and this is a turn on. The results she doesn't like and this is because of shame. Rapists are weak men to me but there is another factor usually involved that no one wants to admit. If you do, they call you troll and such. IP: Logged |
lunatic
Knowflake Posts: 265
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Registered: Oct 2010
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posted June 28, 2011 12:22 AM
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Originally posted by AstrologicalMan:
Instead of just saying that I am a jerk can you explain what upset you? I don't understand what I did so wrong.
Even if a woman is provocative and likes to use the power she has with her influence on you, you should never force her to have sex with you. Rapists only flatter themselves that the victim likes it. Sick. It's the only thing I can say.
Edit. You seem willing to accuse the victim and not the rapist. IP: Logged |
AstrologicalMan
Knowflake Posts: 172
From: Brickenton
Registered: Jun 2011
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posted June 28, 2011 12:22 AM
How can you not be a feminist?Don't subscribe to that label. It is confining. Is that all that you are? Evolution seeks to do away with isms. IP: Logged |
pixelpixie
Knowflake Posts: 284
From: ON Canada
Registered: Apr 2009
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posted June 28, 2011 12:24 AM
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Originally posted by AstrologicalMan:
Why is it that every time I type my mind, it is somehow unjustified? I am not "trolling". I have been here probably longer than you. I am just explaining things from a different perspective. There is no reason to get all antsy on me. Dislike the ideas and not the person but find out why you dislike the idea and then you will come to understanding.
I guarantee I have been here longer than you., but this is not a pi**ing contest, and besides, clearly your appendage, being (hopefully) lengthier than my own urethra would win the ******* contest wouldn't it?
Here's what contest you won't win. Trying to justify that post with an innocent 'that's just my opinion'.
I don't even think it is your opinion, i just think you're bored and trying to muster up some 'fun' by incensing people with insensitivity. Here's the thing though. When you try to dismantle a concept of which you know nothing about, you're not going to stand on firm ground. Even if you are a tripod. quote:
""movement". That sounds a little Hitler to me. What exactly are you doing to make change possible? Complaining about it on an internet forum isn't going to really accomplish anything. Sorry to break it to you"
I'll start there. That sounds hitler? Hmmm... it sounds like freedom and the pursuit of happiness to me. (also? It could start with 'bowel' and then I could compare it to your summation here)
Complaining about it on an internet forum.. You're right, that's ALL we do, as women, to further our 'place' in the world.
That's the extent of it, right there! that's it! You're right. As if simply acknowledging it here is all that's ever done. The act of talking about it is enough, isn't it? Right. I addressed the rape comment already.
After I threw up in my mouth. quote:
"Men have better jobs than women because currently, men are smarter than women are from a business stand point. You can't change women this way. You can't force women to have a more business orientated mind, it just doesn't work that way.Currently, Women are generally too emotional to ever be able to surpass men in the business or political world."
hahahahahahahahahahahahahhahahahahahha
You CAN'T be serious. You should be ashamed. this is very simply an inflammatory statement. I can't even justify a response, although I will venture to say see my last response about 'bowel movement' and throw in a fan, and see what hits it. quote:
"Women who really change things don't consider themselves feminists."
Do some research.
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