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Topic: Extreme Envy
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NickiG
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From: Pluto, next to Ami Ann
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posted July 18, 2011 04:04 PM
  
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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
Does it sound like Momma ,Nicki 
kinda..i think her moon might be a scorpion cuz its definitely no eagle and she definitely doesnt hold anything back ------------------
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NickiG
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posted July 18, 2011 04:06 PM
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Originally posted by CosmicKarma360:
Agh! Yes, sounds like the woman I used to work with. She had this attitude that if you weren't with her every single step of the way, then you were against her, and she could do what she wanted to you. Really childish, petty and sometimes straight-up mean. In the end, Karma got her. She had been all chummy-chummy with one of the lead administrators, until that administrator finally had it with covering Scorpio's a$$. She was gone within a year after losing her protector.
ooooh definitely a scorpion!! she stung one too many times and wound up stinging herself ------------------
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Stawr
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posted July 18, 2011 04:06 PM
I feel like I can be an eagle sometimes. And go 'I want that, how can I get something like that for me? Ah that's how ayy...will do!" But yes I still have the grey lizard tenancies. I am not fully evolved yet. Like these girls I hang out with sometimes they are going to Vegas. wtf. How dare they, I want to go to Vegas. I mean I'm not the closest of friends with them...and I might go with my family anyways. But I'm still uber annoyed.
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NickiG
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posted July 18, 2011 04:07 PM
lol, stawr...i'll willingly admit when i'm jealous of someone but the feelings of jealousy arnt so harsh that it makes me bitter...i'll just say "oh i am so totally jealous of you now" and laugh it off------------------
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sand
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posted July 18, 2011 05:00 PM
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Originally posted by Pinkie&TheBrain:
I was just about to say that envy is ALWAYS a Pluto/Scorpio thing.
i don't think i've ever envied anyone. i'm scorp rising, mars, saturn, pluto conj asc. i'm also not one of the evolved ones either lol! what are you guys envious of? IP: Logged |
NickiG
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posted July 18, 2011 05:02 PM
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Originally posted by sand:
i don't think i've ever envied anyone. i'm scorp rising, mars, saturn, pluto conj asc. i'm also not one of the evolved ones either lol!what are you guys envious of?
just a guess, but maybe your saturn suppresses some of that scorpio nature ------------------
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Ami Anne
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posted July 18, 2011 05:10 PM
Nicki
My theory is that the unevolved Aqua is different than the unevolved Scorpio. I will try to describe it if I can.
The unevolved Aqua has BAD envy but will never admit it.They try to tear you down from behind the scenes.
They will never,ever,ever do it to your face.
This messes you up badly cuz they act like they are "all that" while they are furiously trying to undermine you.
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Ami Anne
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posted July 18, 2011 05:12 PM
the unevolved Scorpio will ACT like they hate you which is at LEAST honest.
They will not make a pretense that they are "all that".
My former mother in law, the quintessential unevolved Scorpio, at least did not act like she liked me with fake words and kisses.
She did not like me. At least ,she was honesty.
I HATE HYPOCRISY.
It made me mental  ------------------
Enlightenment doesn't result from sitting around visualizing images of light, but from integrating the darker aspects of the self into the conscious personality
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He who controls his Spirit is greater than he who controls a city
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NickiG
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posted July 18, 2011 05:15 PM
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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
The unevolved Aqua has BAD envy but will never admit it.They try to tear you down from behind the scenes.
They will never,ever,ever do it to your face.
This messes you up badly cuz they act like they are all that while they are furiously trying to undermine you.
this does sound like my mom...she would deny anything and everything i would accuse her of, both in public and in private...but she might not even realize shes doing it....then again, she just might know it, especially with her scorpio moon ------------------
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amowls**
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posted July 18, 2011 06:10 PM
I find that people with a heavy Scorpio influence tend to have jealousy issues. For instance, a girl with a Scorp stellium hated me just because I dated her boyfriend before her (even though it was before she even came to college). My best friend also has a Scorp stellium and she can't control her jealousy (even though she tries). IP: Logged |
rigormortisgirl
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posted July 18, 2011 07:14 PM
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lunatic
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posted July 18, 2011 07:28 PM
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Originally posted by amowls**:
I find that people with a heavy Scorpio influence tend to have jealousy issues. For instance, a girl with a Scorp stellium hated me just because I dated her boyfriend before her (even though it was before she even came to college). My best friend also has a Scorp stellium and she can't control her jealousy (even though she tries).
Me too, guilty.
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Lonake
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posted July 18, 2011 09:51 PM
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Originally posted by CosmicKarma360:
The most envious person I ever met in my entire life was someone with a Scorpio n.Sun. Don't really know her exact birthday, because ever few years she was suddenly younger than what she had said before. IF her date of birth is accurate--and it's a big "IF"--then she has an Aquarius moon.She was out of control. Any time anyone in the department was issued a new computer, phone, desk, or chair, she would pitch a fit if she didn't get one also. I mean, full-on pouting sessions, behaving like a six-year old who didn't get to eat dessert before dinner. It was pathetic. Always had to have the latest and greatest, then would parade around, showing off her new toy to everyone. Couldn't believe at that time she was almost 40 years old. Or so she said. Oh well.
Wow, This sounds EXACTLY like someone I knew with Scorp Sun, Aqua Moon. She's what came to my mind when I saw this topic.
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Lonake
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posted July 18, 2011 09:55 PM
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Originally posted by Saraintheski:
Do you know what her childhood was like ? Maybe she wasn't taken very seriously as a child maybe she saw everyone else having something she didn't have ?
My main example (Scorp Sun, Aqua Moon) had her way from day 1 so says her mom, was Daddy's Little Girl and when he died when she was in mid 20s her life was lost in a sense, she took it hard, so it's that quality for her, of needing to be special in someone's life and to be adored. And whatever or whoever will get her there is what matters and is at the top of the list. Some people are just born that way.IP: Logged |
NickiG
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posted July 18, 2011 09:56 PM
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Originally posted by Lonake:
My main example (Scorp Sun, Aqua Moon) had her way from day 1 so says her mom, was Daddy's Little Girl and when he died when she was in mid 20s her life was lost in a sense, she took it hard, so it's that quality for her, of needing to be special in someone's life and to be adored. And whatever or whoever will get her there is what matters and is at the top of the list. Some people are just born that way.
wow, thats almost worse than leo moon ------------------
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Lonake
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posted July 18, 2011 09:57 PM
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Originally posted by NickiG:
thats what i was saying pinky, lol....an unevolved scorpio is incredibly vicious...especially the scorpion, who enjoys stinging for the simple pleasure of stinging...the grey lizard is also highly prone to jealousy but will not act on the intense feelings and will probably get ill from holding in all the emotions
This goes for Pluto on the Asc as well. Definitely.IP: Logged |
Lonake
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posted July 18, 2011 10:01 PM
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Originally posted by Stawr:
I've experienced people being sickly jealous of me who where Libra, Pisces, Virgo, Capricorn Sun, and this one girl who was so fake, her b-day was in November...either Scorpio or Sagittarius. But she would act nice to my face and talk behind my back and wanted to turn people against me(oh wait, all those people wanted to do that lol)...doesn't seem like a Scorp or Sag trait.
Why do they have to be jealous?
Maybe they just didn't like you.
I know people who don't like me and I guess it would be easy to point to jealousy or envy but I never have. It's a ludicrous assumption unless you have evidence to the contrary.IP: Logged |
sassaqua
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Registered: May 2011
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posted July 18, 2011 10:06 PM
Hi Ami,I think I get what you are refering to:
the opposite sign of where the sun is, is often unconscious. So in Aqua, the unconscious is the sign of Leo. I think it's true to say that, Aqua have a principle of being the voice for the group, it is at the expense of their own ego. If they don't get to honor or "shine" in someway, as an individual, I think this could create envy. Of your mother's generation too, women didn't really have the opportunity to create a life for themselves. Maybe your mother had hopes and dreams to participate in the world - for the group - in someway but this ambition was thwarted by the traditions of that time. So she was left feeling envious of other people who following their dreams. Sun and mercury in 1st, I would agree, makes one even more wishing to shine. But maybe in aqua, there is a tense compromise that needs resolving? I am an aqua btw, with aqua mercury (not combust tho). I can feel envious of my leo friend who takes all the attention for herself in the group, and has so much ego to take all the attention. Though, I tend to disguise it as: how dare someone take the limelight for themsselves when it should be submerged for for the benefit of the whole group, or humanity at large. I deal with it  Heart on my sleeve here, don't hold it against me
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Lonake
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posted July 18, 2011 10:10 PM
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Originally posted by NickiG:
wow, thats almost worse than leo moon
Here's her chart. There's the Aqua Moon there since we're on Aqua and all but there's Scorp too. But she has her good moments, she's not completely vile or anything, but if you are better or have something better than her then you know you are going to be in for it. So it's best to just hide. Otherwise she can be very generous, if she's on top of the heap, that is. But you have to walk on eggshells and make sure you don't outshine her. God help you if she hears you getting a compliment from someone, you may be in contempt. I think the Sun ruling the Leo Mc smack on the Asc doesn't help..  Uploaded with ImageShack.us IP: Logged |
NickiG
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posted July 18, 2011 10:12 PM
sassaqua...wow, an aqua who admits an unknown aqua trait...and i think i had an epiphany when it comes to opposite signs...leo: the center of attention for self, aqua: the center of attention for others, scorpio: digger of mystery for truth, taurus: the shallow, practical thinker and so on....they are truely opposite in EVERY aspect------------------
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NickiG
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posted July 18, 2011 10:16 PM
whoa, lonake..holy jesus....scorpio sun and asc in conjunct and sun in the 1st....thats bad enough, and then the aqua moon adds to itmy mom is an aqua sun, scorpio moon and i guess you could say her behavior is "opposite" to your envious friend...she takes all her frustration and anger out on me exclusively ------------------
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sand
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posted July 18, 2011 10:17 PM
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Originally posted by NickiG:
just a guess, but maybe your saturn suppresses some of that scorpio nature
i'm not sure. could be that it's in the first house so i might be too self centered to envy people.  jfk kinda springs to mind but then it might be more admiration. but then he was shot so not really envious of that. when someone is successful or reaches a goal i feel happy for them if i don't generally dislike their character. i'm thinking of the scorpio story the count of montecristo. other people envied him, and plotted to destroy him. he was clueless about other people's intentions to take his job, his wife, etc.. not saying i view myself as like that but that he was not envious. but then he's not a confirmed scorpio and it's the revenge part that is scorpionic. IP: Logged |
Lonake
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posted July 18, 2011 10:19 PM
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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
The unevolved Aqua has BAD envy but will never admit it.They try to tear you down from behind the scenes.
They will never,ever,ever do it to your face.
Can you give examples of how they would do it behind the scenes?IP: Logged |
Ami Anne
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posted July 18, 2011 10:28 PM
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Originally posted by Lonake:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Ami Anne:
[b] The unevolved Aqua has BAD envy but will never admit it.They try to tear you down from behind the scenes.
They will never,ever,ever do it to your face.
Can you give examples of how they would do it behind the scenes?[/B][/QUOTE] Darlink
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sassaqua
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posted July 18, 2011 10:41 PM
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Originally posted by NickiG:
sassaqua...wow, an aqua who admits an unknown aqua trait...and i think i had an epiphany when it comes to opposite signs...leo: the center of attention for self, aqua: the center of attention for others, scorpio: digger of mystery for truth, taurus: the shallow, practical thinker and so on....they are truely opposite in EVERY aspect
Yes, NickiG, I had the same epiphany! It was wonderful! It brings all the signs together, and pulls the wheel as one entity, rather than signs that are disjointed and disconnected from eachother! The polarity of the signs are in both - just one end is more conscious. Equally so then, on the same logic, the Leo polarity will have some envy of the Aquarian principle, if not incorporated into that Leo's psyche, etc.. around the whole chart.. Maybe Ami could do one of her lovely learning threads on it...? That would be grande! Ami, I am an aqua, I would never do that to you or anyone. I do like to analyse people though, but without judgement and with much sensitivity, respect and understanding. Would it be possible to view your mother's chart? It would be interesting too, to suss out your synastry - this can account for heaps, as you know. Especially when, close family ties are most often karmic!
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