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Lonake
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posted July 18, 2011 10:41 PM
  
Ami, O, rite..The Mumz Factor 
Well, Hate to say it but my Aqua friend fits the bill [who has today shown his Pluto/Asc like behavior by coming over uninvited (My Pluto/Ic does not open the door to uninvited guests unless you're crying or injured) and then subsequently calling me and hanging up after I answered later in the day, lmao!! He's upset that I don't want to be romantic with him. I'm thinking he's a bit toxic now..and starting to distance myself. It's just hard for him to approach me in a detached manner, I have no probs bein all 'Aqua Cool']
Anyway, you know his chart, (duh) and yea I know you don't want to go into deets but he lives envy very much so...
But then again, Pluto smack on the Asc! It's hard to get away from that Scorp/Pluto in the charts that come to mind here, for my contribution anyway. I may go look at Astrodatabank.IP: Logged |
CosmicKarma360
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posted July 18, 2011 11:10 PM
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Originally posted by Lonake:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Saraintheski:
[b]Do you know what her childhood was like ? Maybe she wasn't taken very seriously as a child maybe she saw everyone else having something she didn't have ?
My main example (Scorp Sun, Aqua Moon) had her way from day 1 so says her mom, was Daddy's Little Girl and when he died when she was in mid 20s her life was lost in a sense, she took it hard, so it's that quality for her, of needing to be special in someone's life and to be adored. And whatever or whoever will get her there is what matters and is at the top of the list. Some people are just born that way.[/B][/QUOTE]Oh My... The Scorpio Sun/Aqua Moon that I knew was also handed everything to her by her mother from day 1! Or so she told us. When her mother had another baby years later, Scorpio laughingly admitted to us that she would torment her baby sister every chance she got. Obviously, Scorpio hated the competition. Always wants to be The One, no matter what the situation. Yes, she's also the type who will shoot down whomever in the room gets complimented before she does. Really sad, actually. IP: Logged |
Lonake
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posted July 18, 2011 11:26 PM
Wowza, that is eerily similar. Down to the whole compliment business...I can't even remember another person who I've seen do that besides her..Or maybe I have I just didn't bother to remember. quote:
Originally posted by CosmicKarma360:
When her mother had another baby years later, Scorpio laughingly admitted to us that she would torment her baby sister every chance she got.
O wow, the poor baby had some bad karma  But then sibs can be evil anyways. Do they get on now that they're older?IP: Logged |
CosmicKarma360
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posted July 18, 2011 11:36 PM
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Originally posted by Lonake:
Wowza, that is eerily similar. Down to the whole compliment business...I can't even remember another person who I've seen do that besides her..Or maybe I have I just didn't bother to remember. [QUOTE]Originally posted by CosmicKarma360:
[b]When her mother had another baby years later, Scorpio laughingly admitted to us that she would torment her baby sister every chance she got.
O wow, the poor baby had some bad karma But then sibs can be evil anyways. Do they get on now that they're older?[/B][/QUOTE]Yeah, they get along real well. Surprisingly, the younger sister is much more well-adjusted than Scorpio. Don't know the sister's birthday, though. The sister is married, with a young son. Scorpio married once, very young. Within a year, her husband was cheating on her, and they split up. In fact, it's shocking how after getting to know her for a bit, men *run* the opposite direction! She goes very far out of her way to make a great first impression, but it doesn't take too long before she starts to micro-manage people into the ground. The guys that worked around her couldn't stand her after a little while. Anyway, the sister seems to be the opposite of her. IP: Logged |
Stawr
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posted July 18, 2011 11:36 PM
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Why do they have to be jealous?
Maybe they just didn't like you.
I know people who don't like me and I guess it would be easy to point to jealousy or envy but I never have. It's a ludicrous assumption unless you have evidence to the contrary.[/B][/QUOTE]Okay then, (another thing, just in case anyone is wondering I don't think all Libras, Virgo's, Pisces etc are jealous of me, I'm sure you all know that just these particular people that happen to be of that sign)
Exhibit A: The 2 Libras. One was "my friend" who lived next door. We both liked Britney Spears. She didn't like me having more Britney Spears stuff than she did.(only child syndrome?) My mom got me a Britney Spears cd or something in front of her. And my mom told me that her eyes got all squinty with her arms folded. "My friend" even wanted to make a deal with me, that I was not allowed to like Britney Spears. And that only she could. She would get mad if I had a Britney Spears song in my head. She tried telling me that she was skinnier than me. (uhm never ever lets say. lol)
This girl was very competive and always wants to keep up with the Jones, and her mom kind of enables it. If our other friend got a bike, her mom would take her to get a bike in the same night. If our friend got highlights in her hair, then she and her mom would go out to the store and have her hair died pink the next day. Then I mean it's gonna happen cause the other Libra is my sister. Our mom spent more time with me, payed more attention to me. My mom would barely go to any of my sister's soccer and tennis games. But would always chill out at my play rehearsals and such. One day when it was just me and her, she verbally abused me about like everything, about how awkward I was for my age, and that I sucked at performing and all this crap. We are past that now...we even have talks, she admitted being jealous of me for mom paying more attention to me. And I told her how when I got older I wanted mom to leave me alone and quit paying attention to me. We get along great now, and really understand each other. IP: Logged |
Lonake
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posted July 18, 2011 11:47 PM
CosmicKarma360,
Good for her  And yea the Grey Lizard Scorp will sting itself after a while, no doubt. That's why you don't have to worry about them too much. I could post the horrors that lady went through at the end, how she drove her men away, but there's no need really cos she brought it on herself. The end result is that she lives a lonely life, to hear her talk about it is so dramatic (of course! with Leo Pluto h10 & scorp sun on asc & merc sq jupiter for exaggeration) "I wear black every day now because I am in mourning." And for someone who always wanted to be adored by another that is really enough to have to live through. She's also on the plastic surgery train and where it stops nobody knows...The word here is hubris, I believe. She's a bit more humble now that she's been beaten down by life a bit. But in her heydey (up to around 2001) it was what I described above to a T. She's getting older and is getting tired, and that is also part of what has her rethinking some things. IP: Logged |
sassaqua
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posted July 19, 2011 12:04 AM
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Originally posted by CosmicKarma360:
Oh My... The Scorpio Sun/Aqua Moon that I knew was also handed everything to her by her mother from day 1! Or so she told us. When her mother had another baby years later, Scorpio laughingly admitted to us that she would torment her baby sister every chance she got. Obviously, Scorpio hated the competition. Always wants to be The One, no matter what the situation. Yes, she's also the type who will shoot down whomever in the room gets complimented before she does. Really sad, actually.
I'm not sure if this is your point but, I would say that it's the sun square the moon that is the issue. The aspects to the the planets in question are what has the potential to "retard" the flow of the energy, and prevent a healthy expression.
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NickiG
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posted July 19, 2011 12:09 AM
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Originally posted by sassaqua:
I'm not sure if this is your point but, I would say that it's the sun square the moon that is the issue. The aspects to the the planets in question are what has the potential to "retard" the flow of the energy, and prevent a healthy expression.
i think it also has to do with what signs the sun and moon are in cuz my sun and moon square but none of this thread describes me....it might also have to do with the evolvement of signs in question...i'm gonna stop here before i inflate my leo moon ego, lol, cuz i was about to say something that would ------------------
I once saw a sign that said "sin is death" but if "all deaths are suicide (linda goodman)" and suicide is sin, then shouldnt "death is sin" be more appropriate? IP: Logged |
CosmicKarma360
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posted July 19, 2011 12:12 AM
Lonake
Ah! Interesting that your Grey Lizard Scorp is slowly beginning to learn. Or at least slow down.As for the one I knew, she went on to another job, where she instantly did what she seemed to do best, which is smooch up to the highest person in charge. Boy, that one blew up on her big-time, when the new boss was promptly fired and sued for fishy hiring practices. Then she went on to another company, where she did all right for a few years. Later, she got together with a group of women to form their own company. Don't know what happened, but within a year, she was kicked out. Yup, the Grey Ones, always stinging others, and themselves. They go 'round and 'round. Well, now the trail has gone cold. Don't know what happened to her. Only a distant rumor that she went into business for herself. It's funny that you mention you never have to worry about the Grey Lizard type. Yup! I always felt that too. No matter how many time she tried to stab me in the back (I would never play along with her if I felt she was in the wrong), I always, ALWAYS knew she was going to get hers in the end. The Bad Karma Vibes were palpable. Oh, and I always knew that in her heart of hearts, she wanted to be married with kids. She talked about it a lot. It's strange, but you could tell that she was somehow suffering for not having it. It's kind of a personal hell she's already in. It would be easy to feel very sad for her--and I do sometimes--but my gosh! The way she treats others is simply never going to get her what she truly wants. IP: Logged |
Stawr
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posted July 19, 2011 12:15 AM
Exhibit B: the Pisces named Megan. She was one of my best friends from 3rd-4th grade. The beginning of 4th she wanted me to audition for a play with her. She can act good...but she can not carry a tune to save her life. She is seriously tone deaf. The play was a musical. Me on the other hand...I sang a song that I barely knew the words to, I kept messing up on the song. But I can sing on key, and my voice carried throughout the theater. My first play audition ever. I ended up getting to be a towns person in the play. And my friend got nadda. She took it well then. But by the time we where in 5th grade she couldn't take it anymore. I got one of the leads, in the 5th grade musical. She got chorus.
When the school year was almost over, we both auditioned for Peter Pan, I got to be a lost boy in it...and again she got nadda. Cause it's a musical. And she can't sing. Well at this point she was p!ssed. And sick of my a**. She sat in front of me. I saw part of the note she passed to out other friends. It said something like "I'm sick of her getting in all the plays"
Well our other friends didn't care of course cause performing wasn't their dream. They told me what she said in the note, and how she wanted them to give me the silent treatment. I'm glad they thought she was being mean and ridiculous and on my side. IP: Logged |
CosmicKarma360
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posted July 19, 2011 12:16 AM
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Originally posted by sassaqua:
I'm not sure if this is your point but, I would say that it's the sun square the moon that is the issue. The aspects to the the planets in question are what has the potential to "retard" the flow of the energy, and prevent a healthy expression.
Honestly, I don't know what was up with her, but she wasn't exactly the deepest thinker I ever met. I thought that was an issue. Her complete lack of self-evaluation. Yeah, something was blocking her, that's for sure. Wish I knew her full date of birth and all that, but she was cagey about releasing her birth data. IP: Logged |
NickiG
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posted July 19, 2011 12:17 AM
best thing about scorpio is its the phoenix sign, the sign of transformations...in fact, i prefer referring to myself as a phoenix instead of a scorpio or an eagle or suchanyways, any scorpio has the power to change simply by will...he or she can call on plutos power and utilize plutos energy ------------------
I once saw a sign that said "sin is death" but if "all deaths are suicide (linda goodman)" and suicide is sin, then shouldnt "death is sin" be more appropriate? IP: Logged |
sassaqua
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posted July 19, 2011 12:30 AM
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Originally posted by NickiG:
i think it also has to do with what signs the sun and moon are in cuz my sun and moon square but none of this thread describes me....it might also have to do with the evolvement of signs in question...i'm gonna stop here before i inflate my leo moon ego, lol, cuz i was about to say something that would
Yes I agree with that. It's a bit of a chicken egg question, because if it didn't have the tension of the square perhaps the "negative" qualities wouldn't manifest. Let your Leo ego rip NickiG! I won't be envious  IP: Logged |
NickiG
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posted July 19, 2011 12:31 AM
hm, maybe i'm not like these other scorpio descriptions because of my gemini ascendant, which causes me to have already forgotten what i might have been mad about just a moment after some incident happened...of course, i'll never truely forget, but my gemini mind wont care enough and i find it pointless to stay angry at something since it will probably only make me sick and god knows i'v had way too many ear infections in my pastLOL, well ok sassaqua, if you insist...i was going to say, after i was talking about the evolvement of the sign, that i'm an eagle...i think i mention that fact a little too much for my scorpio sun to be comfortable with, but my leo just wont let it settle at once or twice, LOL ------------------
I once saw a sign that said "sin is death" but if "all deaths are suicide (linda goodman)" and suicide is sin, then shouldnt "death is sin" be more appropriate? IP: Logged |
Stawr
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posted July 19, 2011 12:59 AM
Exhibit C: My friend who had Virgo Sun. We where cool for a few years. We have the same taste in guys sometimes. And it really became a problem about a year ago. I just got out of a bad relationship. We both met this guy who had sex appeal. This guy was a stud. I was so lusting him...and with my ex friend who knows...This guy was flirtatious and promiscuous. Ya know he wasn't only flirting with me, and he wasn't only flirting her her.
He told me that I was pretty, my friend heard him say that to me.Later my friend was like yeah he's really hot. And I told her that I thought so too. And she said. "back off he's mine!" Well I never said that I would, and I never said that I wouldn't. I was sick of taking crap from people...I was sick of her doing that too. Anyways like the next couple of days...we hung out she was trying to indirectly tell me that I'm ugly. She would say things, like "oh that girl is so ugly cause of her nose." Because my nose is not considered a small or average size...which is usually something that is considered a more attractive feature. She didn't only say it once either, and the people she pointed at where pretty and beautiful and had admires around her. My friend on the other hand really had let herself go and would wear really tight clothes that didn't really fit her. It was so obvious what she was trying to do...make me think 'oh my nose isn't small or average therefore I am hideous' and lower my confidence, so nothing would happen with me and this guy. Well it didn't work lets just say that. IP: Logged |
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posted July 19, 2011 01:04 AM
I only know about 3 people with Scorpio Sun, and their envy/jealousy all stem from issues with body image/physical appearance, almost to the point of being obsessed. One of them is my cousin. She has Scorpio Sun-Leo Moon- Scorpio Mercury, Capricorn Ascendant, Sun conjunct Mercury. She would talk about how she wished she were taller/thinner/etc... And there were times she said things like "you're disgustingly thin", "you're too tall you look like a freak" (I'm only 5'6 lol) , etc... but then she would apolosied. She would say the same things about random girls she saw on the street. One time she even said that compared to her bf, mine was "disgustingly thin". She tries to control herself though, and with some success
My other cousin ( Scorpio Sun-Aries Moon) and friend ( Scorpio Sun-Leo Moon) also said those things to me and other people (even their sisters), but didn't apolosied.
I have a bunch of Aquarian friends, only one is extremely competitive in school work, and envious of smarter people. The rest aren't.
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posted July 19, 2011 01:06 AM
I often feel like a lizard scorp but I've been told I have a lot of eagle characteristics I always want to be become better I don't want to just stay the same I want to learn grow expand I'm unevolved in a lot of ways but i'm still young iv'e changed a lot in a few years just like everyone does I got nasty public on facebook the other day which was due to the fact it was 4 am and I was brewing furious and felt misunderstood. I use to let people trample on me and I'r flock to these people who used me Iv'e know cut all ties and told these people off I'm still in transition Iv'e just been calling on the universe to take me where I need to go not expecting anything or taking anything for advantage just being IP: Logged |
Lonake
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posted July 19, 2011 01:09 AM
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Originally posted by CosmicKarma360:
It's funny that you mention you never have to worry about the Grey Lizard type. Yup! I always felt that too. (...) I always knew that in her heart of hearts, she wanted to be married with kids. She talked about it a lot. It's strange, but you could tell that she was somehow suffering for not having it. It's kind of a personal hell she's already in. It would be easy to feel very sad for her--and I do sometimes--but my gosh! The way she treats others is simply never going to get her what she truly wants.
Wow, more similarities. Well mine was around 50 when she slowed down, so there ya go..
And same here with the path she was on, nothing I was uncertain of, and I could tell she was in pain. Infertile and desperate to adopt, but I never heard that she did because she wanted to have a partner first. Too old now, I suppose. She did house foreign exchange students temporarily while they were in the U.S., she loved to travel with that Venus in Sadge where it is, and all the rest. But that's not family, just a substitute. Maybe too much drama for the men in their lives.IP: Logged |
Lonake
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posted July 19, 2011 01:11 AM
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Originally posted by sassaqua:
I would say that it's the sun square the moon that is the issue. The aspects to the the planets in question are what has the potential to "retard" the flow of the energy, and prevent a healthy expression.
No, the chart I posted doesn't have Sun/Moon square.IP: Logged |
Lonake
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posted July 19, 2011 01:15 AM
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Originally posted by NickiG:
about the evolvement of the sign, that i'm an eagle...i think i mention that fact a little too much for my scorpio sun to be comfortable with, but my leo just wont let it settle at once or twice, LOL
This is completely OK to admit  I agree.IP: Logged |
Stawr
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posted July 19, 2011 01:17 AM
and those examples are why I called them jealous.
anyway long story short...I have a similar story about that Sag or Scorp person...but now that I think about it, It's very possible that the Capricorn girl just didn't like me. But that's a very good point Lonake that there is a difference between jealousy and just not liking someone. I've been called jealous by an ex boyfriend, for not feeling respected by him. It is a really horrible thing to be called. IP: Logged |
Lonake
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posted July 19, 2011 01:21 AM
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Originally posted by Stawr:
I've been called jealous by an ex boyfriend, for not feeling respected by him. It is a really horrible thing to be called.
I think it's something people throw around a lot, sorta automatically. So you told him you didn't feel respected and he called you jealous? Sounds toxic  IP: Logged |
sassaqua
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posted July 19, 2011 01:24 AM
Yes, it is horrible. It's such a simplified assessment. It's also very final and closed to any discussion or opportunity for understanding.It's often a mix of things - memories of past pains, maybe childhood issues, insecurities.. etc. To be branded as jelous doesn't give our person enough credit, and it minimises our complexity and depth. Humans are more complicate than that!
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posted July 19, 2011 01:36 AM
it's a sign of narcissism when you think people don't like you because they're "just jealous". so iv read..IP: Logged |
sassaqua
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posted July 19, 2011 01:49 AM
Yes, well that would make sense. To add to what I was saying before, as we know with astrology, people can come along with their planets and trigger something that is already in you, bringing up issues. So it's not exactly the other person - it's that they bring out issues ALREADY in you.To brand it as jelously is just too simplified, and is erroneous. IP: Logged | |
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