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posted January 13, 2013 12:59 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ceridwen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Has this been examined within the context of friendships as well? I believe I have this with one of my male friends.

Yes, it works in friendships as well. It is very beautiful actually.

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posted January 13, 2013 01:21 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for hikoro     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Hikoro,

There is no "wise choice", when it comes to matters of the heart.

I donīt say you should make your choice based on primal instincts. But it is worth noting them at least.
Also you need to be clear about what YOU want.

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What does "being worth it" entail for you?


hahaha. let's just say that all of my past choices have been too much on primal instinct....and now, i think i rather be more practical about things. why not? and see how thinking with my mind more will work things out.
im not a glutton for punishment and i have little desire in clinging on inconvenient men because my insides state so, when...doing a careful analysis may reveal a better choice in the long-run. by no means im not stating that those primal instincts should not be taken into consideration...but, im trying to figure out an equilibrium here. mind and heart.

worth it? to me...i would say...whoever is more suitable...
besides, it is hard to be talking to three guys at the same time, i detest thinking im playing all three of them. i dont know why im having such a hard time making a decision. lol.

ps. i think im down to case a and c.

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Oh, now this is REALLY killing me. I have this, too, with someone where we have a yod in composite, Venus/Pluto conjunction and this as well, a stellium of Mercury, Venus, Sun, Pluto and moon, Mars trine Venus in composite, gorgeous synastry and the yod is Neptune in Scorpio and Saturn in Capricorn at base with apex as Jupiter in Gemini in the 7th house, near vertex. All sounds like a done deal, yes? The attraction is volcanic, the feeling of comfort and "this is so right" is incredibly strong, BUT.. sometimes he is pulled to me like a magnet and it feels like this is all reciprocal, and then all of a sudden he acts very sweet, but.. impersonal. And it crushes my heart every time. I have to say, I know the timing is not right as he is going through a divorce (I think... my greatest fear is that they will reconcile, but he ended it and told me he was not at all happy. This happened after we met. So, the question my poor, battered, terrified heart must ask is... with all this going on in the charts, how likely is it that we will actually come together, or is there the ugly possibility of this being unrequited? As my ****** luck would have it, Uranus is about to conjunct my Desc. and Pluto conjunct my IC. Jupiter conjuncts my natal Venus at the same time - for one whole stinking week. : ( Is there any hope for this or just a heart-killing near miss? Please, please. Someone talk to me.

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posted January 13, 2013 01:48 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for hikoro     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
if i were you, my concern would not be that he would reconcile...but whether he will be ready to offer you all of his love after the divorce.
you dont want to be the rebound girl or the person he brings his past marriage pain and damage goods to you.

so....thread carefully, and if things work out...take your time. no rush.

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posted January 13, 2013 01:53 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ail221     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Nope no Sun-mercury, the orbs are a bit wide but overall a good friendship.

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posted January 13, 2013 02:00 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for RunAroundScreaming     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
^doesn't matter. still a love stellium.

Sorry I have been quiet. Been going thru a mini crisis about composite charts ever since Ceridwen's guess the composite thread O_o

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posted January 13, 2013 02:55 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ceridwen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by RunAroundScreaming:
^doesn't matter. still a love stellium.

Sorry I have been quiet. Been going thru a mini crisis about composite charts ever since Ceridwen's guess the composite thread O_o



I am sorry about this. I really didn`t want it to have this effect.

BTW have you ever tried to trace the aspects between a composite and the natals to see who is most affected? Maybe this could add something to the overall analysis.

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posted January 13, 2013 03:21 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for RunAroundScreaming     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
How do you do that? Can you give step by step instructions?

Don't worry, thank you. <3 I am fine lol. I am just rationally questioning a lot of what I've observed. I am not being emotional about it or anything at all, Libra asc here lol rational reactions, with (leo moon) dramatizing vocabulary. I'm realizing how important house placements can be, and that pluto may not actually be very good at all, which is a bit sad lol, bc i always kind of looked up to pluto lol.

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posted January 13, 2013 03:44 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for StelliumH6     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The Moon/Venus/Mercury being more internalized makes good sense. A lot of the relationship are "words unspoken," and I have to "know" how he is feeling about me. Therefore, the lack of expression leads me to believe we are not always secure. Even though, we really are doing very well.

The conjunction falls in H8. Also, Neptune and Pluto aspect the Moon/Venus/Mercury.

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posted January 13, 2013 03:52 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ceridwen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Ras,

Oh I love Pluto! Really do. (natal venus-Pluto-square talking )

I believe he is one of the main reasons for intensity we feel (BML is also a big factor).

But you know, every coin has two sides. And passion and intensity can switch into manipulation and obsession. It all depends really.


As for the composite-synastry.

Just take the composite planets and first of detect close conjunctions (2 degrees are close, up to 4 probably still valid) to the natal charts.
Also consider if a natal planet is being emphasized.


example:

I havet he love stellium with a colleague of mine.

Sun 17 Cap
Venus 18 Cap
Mercury 23 Cap


It definitely expresses itself. I was quite suprised how nice he is to me; it is almost like I can do no wrong, or almost no wrong, when he is quite critical of everyone else. He is very attentive towards me, but just in a nice friendly, non romantic way.
There is some sympathy there.

Since that stellium falls into my 2nd house, I feel appreciated and valued. Yes I do. lol


However, this stellium highlights different things in our charts. Well, it is not that great an example as there are no conjunctions to natal planets.

But my Saturn in the 8th house is opposite that composite stellium. Put bluntly I notice the good things coming with that stellium, but I reject them, or at least am not overly enthusiastic about them.

This is made even worse by the composite Saturn being opposite my Venus.

Even worse there is nothing in that composite that is conjunct or opposite my personal planets, especially Moon, Venus, ruler of DESC (Moon rules 8th, and Venus rules 5th house).


It is nice to have such a good connection to a colleague, but the connection itself does not mean that much to me. (Don`t get me started on the guy though, where in the composite the Sun is conjunct my DESC-ruler and the Mon is conjunct mySun/Moon-mp and Antivertex!)

From his side, the lovestellium is widely trine his Mars (3-4 degrees). It is not very strong, but probably he feels kinda affirmed in his masculinity.


However the stellium is ALOS square his Moon-Chiron-conjunction. Something about that generated affection and sympathy might be painful for him. Since my Saturn is opposite the love stellium in the composite, it of course means that my Saturn squares his Moon-Chiron-conjunction. It is almost like the very existence of the sympathy that is there, definitely, becomes an issue for us, with me being the one doing the withdrawing and rejecting (he is married with children for God`s sake! What does he expect?)
Well, I don`t think he would be remotely interested in me romantically, married or not, but it is not deniable that he is very attentive towards me, and that I am mostly bewildered by this.

I really think if a composite does not trigger your Moon, Venus or relationship house rulers, the relationship probably will not mean that much to you on a romantic or loving basis.


it often explains onesided feelings as well.

If our composite ASC or Sun or Moon or whatever is conjunct my Moon, VEnus and 8th house ruler, but totally misses your placements, I might feel like I really need the relationship to feel fulfilled, but you couldnīt care less about it. If there are good aspects in it, they will still express themselves. The affections, the sex, the sharing of ideas will be there, it will just not mean that much to you.


Oh and also check if something triggers your natal Sun/Moon, Venus/Mars, Venus/Pluto and Eros/Psyche-mp. Very telling!

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posted January 13, 2013 05:11 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for RunAroundScreaming     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thank you very much for that info!

I was specifically curious as to how I could compare composites with natals though. what is the step by step process I need to do on astro.com?

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posted January 13, 2013 05:37 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ceridwen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
WEll, I am doing it manually.
More or less.

I open astro.com twice in two windows.
In the left window I open the composite. In the right window I open first one, then the other natal, and compare.

Theoretically you could also make a composite and use the transit option for composite, and pick the birthdata for transits. However, this will give you the wrong angles and Moon, so I prefer to take the first route.

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posted January 14, 2013 08:47 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for mir     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
MY... there's still so soo sooo much yet to discover..

- Composite declinations
- Composite solstice points
- Comparison natal decl. to composite decl.
- Comparison solstice natal to composite

pfft, crrrazy!

Wel, an example;

I was looking at our solstice comparison natal to composite.
And WT.. ??

His natal ASC EXACT solstice Composite IC
His natal IC EXACT solstice Composite ASC

Hell of DW! Coincidence?? Just a bloody stupid coincidence?

.. Ok, ..

step by step, let's keep our head clear.

(my virgo is coming out now, needing structure)

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posted January 14, 2013 12:09 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for RunAroundScreaming     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
^mir, woah.

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posted January 14, 2013 12:24 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for hikoro     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
ok...so ceridwen and ras...
where are we at?
does the sun-mercury-venus conjunction still hold or are there alternatives?

ceridwen, you've implied there are other options...have you found a different pattern too? if so, share!
also, since you have an aqua moon, have you ever gotten along with scorpio or taurus placements? im noticing that case c and i have loads of squares.

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posted January 14, 2013 12:45 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ceridwen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hikoro,

of course the Sun/Mercury/Venus-conjunction still holds!

Personally I think there are other options, too, though. Moon/Venus being one, but with the caveat, that Moon/Venus can be much more internalized and the love might not be expressed as demonstratively as with Sun/Venus.
It is also a VERY soft combo; Sun and Venus combines a masculine and a feminine symbol, which is maybe for romantic relationships "better", as Moon and Venus can be too soft together. Other than being too passive maybe it is a very tender and affectionate aspect though.

I put a lot of stock at the houserulers. So I ALWAYS look what the rulers of 5th, 7th and 8th house are doing, especially in relation to the ruler of 1st, 4th, 10th and also 2nd house.

If it works in synastry I see no reason why it should not work in composite.


AS for Aqua. LOL
You know the funny thing is my Mum is a Scorpio with Uranus in 1st house, and my Dad is an Aquarius with Moon in Taurus in 8th house.
Their Suns are even square, so I have grown up with the mix of my Scorpio-Mum and my Aquarius Dad with Taurus-Moon.
Also many relatives of my Dad are Scorpios (or Aquarius), while many relatives on my mumS side are Aquarius (or Scorpio).


I myself have an Aqua-Moon in 2nd house, with the dispositor Uranus in Scorpio on the cusp of 11th house.
I AM a walking and talking mix up of Uranus and Pluto energy (with more than a bit of Jupiter and Neptune thrown in for good measure. LOL)


While I am not too fond of Taurus people (unless its their Venus in Taurus or even Mars - that one I love), I have never had a problem with Scorpios. especially lunar Scorpios at the beginning of the sign. They usually have a problem with me though; I guess they do not really like my Uranus on their Moon.

HOnestly spoken though in synastry I would gladly take any square aspects between sexual planets over no aspect or even a soft one at all. I want sparks!


However squares, oppositions and quinkunxes to the very soft energies Moon and Venus, especially from Saturn, Chiron, Uranus, Neptune are rarely a very good idea. Of course they are manageable, under certain circumstances everything is. Ijust feel that especially the Moon (Esp. in a water sign or in Libra or Taurus sometimes) is too sensitive to really deal with this tension.
Tension in a sexual sense might be okay and exciting, but sometimes friction is just friction and disturbs the balance.

Squares, quinkunxes and oppositions of Saturn, Chiron, and esp. Neptune to Sun or Mars are not that great either. Harsh and painful and unrelenting in the first cases (though I have experienced the Saturn-Sun square and I donīt mind it at all; it gives a lot of dedicaton to be in it for the long haul; but it still is quite a judgemental combo) and downright confusing and nebulous in the case of Neptune.
Add Neptune square Mercury to that. Even the conjunction is confusing, but has its srong sides as well.


Jupiter in a square to any personal planet just expands it, well, sometimes it gets blown way out of proportion, and exaggerates anything.
The square and opposition and conjunction turn up the intensite quite a bit.
It depends on the combined planets if that is sparkly or really puts a damper on everything.
However, even with the sparks, in a Venus-Mars or Venus-Pluto square for eample, the disbalance can be too much. Pluto is quite known for getting compulsive, obsessive and downright manipulative when it gets too intensified. It aims to transform whatever he touches in a way, that the old dies and something new is being born. He doesn`t really care how he manifests this. if it is through all consuming passion or abusive powergames.

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posted January 14, 2013 01:21 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for hikoro     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
ceridwen,

thanks for the tips about what to look for.

mm...judging about what you've written.
that synastry and case c doesnt sound like a good option then.
he is such a goofball, bright and funny...

it is funny about aqua, i dont know what it is but, i tend to dress in an eccentric manner like some aquas do, i tend to be the typical progressive-revolution-rebel(like some aquas), im aloof, follow my own beat...and i tend to have a sunny disposition..however, i only have mars in aqua. i wish i could be more detached like them though...

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posted January 14, 2013 01:36 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for RunAroundScreaming     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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it is funny about aqua, i dont know what it is but, i tend to dress in an eccentric manner like some aquas do, i tend to be the typical progressive-revolution-rebel(like some aquas),


Most aquas I know don't actually dress that way. Air signs are concerned with giving us pretty things a lot of the time, Making us fair, balanced, harmonious...graceful, just, equal...to me that's air. The air you breath..it's refreshing, and fun, and pretty, but in a hip or trendy way. That's the most human element.

The aquas I know dress with their own flair, but it is more stylish. sure it has a definite unique tinge in it...none of the air signs follow the crowd. They are creating their own trends!! as are all air signs.
Sure their style is unique, but its CLASSY and very pleasing to the eye, rather than rebellious and grungy or punkish. If anything, gemini is probably more rebellious in the way they dress than aqua. yet still classy, if that makes any sense at all.
Think angelina jolie or the olsen twins. Rebellious fashions, but still pleasing to the eye, and still definitely fashion forward.

If you feel like a rebel on the inside, maybe you just have a lot of uranus aspects, or maybe you just have an aquarius north node

But i wouldnt say dressing rebellious is so much the sign aqua, as it is the PLANET uranus.

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posted January 14, 2013 01:42 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ceridwen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Most aquas I know don't actually dress that way. Air signs are concerned with giving us pretty things a lot of the time, Making us fair, balanced, harmonious...graceful, just, equal...to me that's air. The air you breath..it's refreshing, and fun, and pretty, but in a hip or trendy way. That's the most human element.

The aquas I know dress with their own flair, but it is more stylish. sure it has a definite unique tinge in it...none of the air signs follow the crowd. They are creating their own trends!! as are all air signs.
Sure their style is unique, but its CLASSY and very pleasing to the eye, rather than rebellious and grungy or punkish. If anything, gemini is probably more rebellious in the way they dress than aqua. yet still classy, if that makes any sense at all.
Think angelina jolie or the olsen twins. Rebellious fashions, but still pleasing to the eye, and still definitely fashion forward.

If you feel like a rebel on the inside, maybe you just have a lot of uranus aspects, or maybe you just have an aquarius north node

But i wouldnt say dressing rebellious is so much the sign aqua, as it is the PLANET uranus.



I totally agree with that!

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posted January 14, 2013 01:43 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ceridwen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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he is such a goofball, bright and funny...


sounds great to me!

I have always had a soft spot for the court-jesters in any kind of play and in real life, too.

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posted January 14, 2013 01:51 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for hikoro     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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But i wouldnt say dressing rebellious is so much the sign aqua, as it is the PLANET uranus.



i didnt say anything about dressing in a rebellious manner, i mentioned eccentricities, as in, dressing in an edgy way...that makes other folks take notice. it is within the parameters of looking classy, but...not posh either.
when i refer to rebel...i mean, as in..the aquas around me are very progressive-oriented, very much into defending or fighting for a cause, not the dress code.
yes, i can see how uranus can play a role.

ps. about uranus playing a role...
does that explain the reason that one can find aqua folks who are the complete opposite of being progressive? like, this aqua fellow i know, who happens to be 7th day adventist, he is really extreme with his worldview, very fixed, and he has such great conviction...it reminds me of a passionate scorpio.

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posted January 14, 2013 02:14 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ceridwen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Yes, it is possible.
Aquarius is a fixed sign, an air sign, and they can be surprisingly fixed, when it comes to their thoughts.
Also, the antiscion sign of Aquarius IS Scorpio.

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googled antiscion. learned something new.
by the way, is there something astrological going on between aquarius and cancer? i see that these signs often attract each other.

i wonder if the reason aquas seem more approachable for water signs is because of this theory that this astrologer told me, about how all of the signs have more than one element.
i think he mentioned that aqua was air and water...
scorpio was water and fire...
and i dont remember what else. has anyone heard of this?

most people who meet me think im a fire sign.

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posted January 14, 2013 03:51 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for RunAroundScreaming     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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ps. about uranus playing a role...
does that explain the reason that one can find aqua folks who are the complete opposite of being progressive? like, this aqua fellow i know, who happens to be 7th day adventist, he is really extreme with his worldview, very fixed, and he has such great conviction...it reminds me of a passionate scorpio.

yeah exactly. most aquas i know are not even progressive. they're very fixed and stubborn about their opinions, which are even most times pretty conservative ones. I just feel like they want to change the world, whether that is with conservative or progressive ideas...they want to change every individual they meet and have an ideal in their heads of how people should behave.


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posted January 14, 2013 04:07 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ceridwen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
yes, let`s not forget, before Uranus was being discovered, Aquarius was ruled by Saturn. It is certainly different than Capricorn, but maybe some of that still sticks to them. They can be pretty set in their ways.

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