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posted January 14, 2012 09:44 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ceridwen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
RAS,

oops, I fear I haven`t read closely enough then. I had the impression that you were saying that Neptune only feels like soulmates, but it is an illusion (to be fair, sometimes it can be; just as Pluto can sometimes be about powerplays rather than intense love; but the other aspects will show clearly what it is about).

I think Neptune and Pluto are different sides of the same coin just as 'Venus and Mars are. Just on a "grander scale".


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posted January 14, 2012 10:43 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ceridwen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
RAS,

isn`t that a weird looking composite?
What do you think?

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posted January 14, 2012 01:17 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Linda Jones     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
RAS, Ceridwen,

I'd like you to look at a composite, but how do I transfer the picture from my photobucket acc. to this page? Thanks.

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posted January 14, 2012 01:34 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for VenusDiSirius     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
You copy the url of your uploaded chart,and use this
code:
[img]your url link[/img]

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posted January 14, 2012 01:53 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for RunAroundScreaming     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
RAS,

oops, I fear I haven`t read closely enough then. I had the impression that you were saying that Neptune only feels like soulmates, but it is an illusion (to be fair, sometimes it can be; just as Pluto can sometimes be about powerplays rather than intense love; but the other aspects will show clearly what it is about).

I think Neptune and Pluto are different sides of the same coin just as 'Venus and Mars are. Just on a "grander scale".


Right. Definitely. Lol it's okay. I'm pretty sure I've only said that negative neptune aspects are an illusion. If I didn't then that's my mistake. I also think that only negative pluto aspects are bad. Trines and sextiles with pluto and neptune have not caused any problems with me. Yet, I think that negative pluto and neptune aspects can be overcome and they are definitely worth overcoming, bevause they can bring two people even closer together after overcoming all the challenges and still having stuck together.

The only planets I have a problem with, which I think are extremely difficult to overcome and where I think people should just give up are saturn and uranus negative aspects. But especially saturn, and mostly just in the composite chart, because the composite chart shows forces about a relationship you cant control. I've seen uranus overcome if there is only one negative uranus aspect in the composite, but if there's more than one in the composite as well as in sunastry, I think it's doomed to always be an on again off again relationship lol.

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posted January 14, 2012 01:54 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Linda Jones     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thank you, VenusDiSirius, I'm gonna try.

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posted January 14, 2012 02:02 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Linda Jones     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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posted January 14, 2012 02:30 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Linda Jones     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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posted January 14, 2012 02:36 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ceridwen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by RunAroundScreaming:
Right. Definitely. Lol it's okay. I'm pretty sure I've only said that negative neptune aspects are an illusion. If I didn't then that's my mistake. I also think that only negative pluto aspects are bad. Trines and sextiles with pluto and neptune have not caused any problems with me. Yet, I think that negative pluto and neptune aspects can be overcome and they are definitely worth overcoming, bevause they can bring two people even closer together after overcoming all the challenges and still having stuck together.


Yes, I agree.
And despite all the challenges that come with the Neptune and Pluto oppositions and squares, the fascination is tremendous!

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posted January 14, 2012 02:49 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Linda Jones     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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posted January 14, 2012 02:55 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for RunAroundScreaming     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Linda Jones, that's an excellent composite chart!

You have most planets in the love stellium trine neptune and jupiter. excellent! it means not just making each other laugh an dfeel good (jupiter) but also extremely romantic feelings and a feeling of almost too good to be true feeling of spritiuality between you (neptune trines). Then you have moon square venus which means you both love each other sooooo much. You're basically bursting at the seams with affection and tender feelings for each other. Then you have sun and venus sextile pluto which makes the relationship slowly open up your world and transform u to feeling new emotional heights without u being aware of it. Moon square mercury is also very nice as it means you guys tell each other all your personal feelings and the things going on in your personal life.

You do have sun and venus opposing saturn, so that does put a damper on things, unfortunately, but i'd say with all the other nice aspects in this chart, then that could probably overcome it. Venus negative aspect to saturn in the composite means you will never get extremely close emotionally...there will always be an emotional barrier between you that prevents you from truly getting to know each other.

With no negative aspects with mars, neptune or uranus you're pretty much set! You don't even have any negative pluto aspects. Wow! congrats...that's probably once of the nicer composites I've seen posted here in a while . Who is this with?

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posted January 14, 2012 03:02 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ceridwen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I just want to add and emphasize, that this must be a very emotional relationship.
With Moon, as the ruler of 4th house, on the ASC and Sun, Mercury and Venus so close to 4th house cusp, you might even feel like family sometimes. At least the intimacy and closeness is emphasized.


RAS,

can you tell me what you think of the composite I posted (the weird one)? I know it does not have Sun-Venus-Mercury in stellium, but I find it intriguing to look at, despite these obvious challenges.
It just seems so multilayered to me, even contrasting.

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posted January 14, 2012 03:13 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for RunAroundScreaming     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Ceridwen, no it isn't a weird looking composite? What's a normal looking composite to you? lol.

It has a nice sun-mercury-neptune stellium which is quite idealistic and romantic, it has moon conjunct venus which gives a strong feeling of love, and moon square mars which intensifies whatever feelings the relationship already causes, and venus square pluto which we all knows means immense sexual attraction and obsession. Saturn trine the stellium provides a lot of stability and security

It has jupiter square mercury, but no negative jupiter aspect is actually REALLY ever a bad thing. not sure what that aspect means exactly would have to see on astro.com but it's for sure not a bad thing

A nice composite chart
But since I only think sun-mercury-venus stelliums are true love, it wouldnt be a love that lasts even if you have a lot of arguments and break up...it wouldnt be TRUE love.

That person who posted she had the stellium with her past boyfriends and it ended badly, they probably had planets squaring, conjuncting, or opposing the stellium that shouldnt be there.

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posted January 14, 2012 03:21 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Linda Jones     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
OMG! RAS, I wanna hug you for giving me hope.

This is w/ my SO, and I felt that he is the one soon after we met. The main challenge I feel is his natal moon square saturn (0.37 orb) and I talked about that on a different thread. Yes Ceridwen, it is a VERY emotional relationship, so sometimes it is difficult for both of us to talk rationally about the main issue which is, his moon sq. Saturn influenced shutdowns.

However, I've never felt more comfortable w/ anyone else in my whole life and the same is true for him. We've known each other for several years now and my heart still flutters when I'm about to see him. The love has grown over time and become stronger despite the challenge.

Would you please tell me the meaning of composite Neptune, Jupiter, and NN in the 7th (I've read what Robert Hand has to say but want to know your opinion).

And also the meaning of the kite(?) between Saturn, Neptune, Chiron and the rest of the stellium. Any thoughts on the other triangles?

Thanks.

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posted January 14, 2012 03:24 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for RunAroundScreaming     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Linda Jones, whatever i didn't mention in my post already I really dont know much about, lol. Sorry.

But, i have to say that the challenge you guys feel is probably venus and the sun being opposed to saturn. Saturn = love killer. Sorry.
It makes people like you said, be withdrawn and serious around each other and not show their feelings. Esp if you have venus opp saturn, u will experience one of the people having trouble expressing their feelings and feeling connected

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posted January 14, 2012 03:27 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Linda Jones     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Oh, and what's with the rectangle between Sun, Pluto, Saturn, and Chiron? All lines are blue, so I'm assuming angles are positive, but what does the geometry mean? Thanks.

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posted January 14, 2012 03:28 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for RunAroundScreaming     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Oh, and what's with the rectangle between Sun, Pluto, Saturn, and Chiron? All lines are blue, so I'm assuming angles are positive, but what does the geometry mean? Thanks.

I'm afraid it doesn't really mean much, lol.

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posted January 14, 2012 03:36 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Linda Jones     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
No problem. Thank you so much for weighing in. I guess this one's worth fighting for

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posted January 14, 2012 03:48 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ceridwen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
RAS,

thank you for your input.

"Ceridwen, no it isn't a weird looking composite? What's a normal looking composite to you? lol."
Lol.

With weird I meant that it is kind of contradicting a bit.
Like that Moon-Venus-conjunction - tender affection
But in Capricorn, which is not really all that softie.
And in the 12th house - hidden from view.

So I guess the affection is there, but more in an earthy way, yet it is in the most spiritual house of all. lol

On top of that Venus squaring a very intense Pluto in 8th house and Moon squaring Mars, making for easily excitable emotions. But Mars being in refined Libra.

And then Sun is looking quite stable and harmoniously enthusiastic, in 11th house, trining Saturn and sextle Mars in 9th house, but definitely not emotional or passionate.

On top of that MErcury-Neptune-conjunction opposing Jupiter in 5th house, with Mercur and Jupiter not only being in mutual reception, but also swapping houses; Mercury as ruler of 5th house lands in 11th house, Jupiter as ruler of 11th house lands in 5th house giving an idealistic, communicative, funloving vibe, possibly a vibrant friendship, but with Neptune conjunct Mercury the communication might not always be that straightforward, but sometimes vague and confusing, though could also be psychic or telepathic at times.


"not sure what that aspect means exactly would have to see on astro.com"

according to the interpretations in the book on composite by Hand, a challenge with this opposition is that people might get overenthusastic and develop grand ideas and plans that sound great in their heads, but may not be practicable or grounded.
That and that they never stop talking. lol

"But since I only think sun-mercury-venus stelliums are true love, it wouldnt be a love that lasts even if you have a lot of arguments and break up...it wouldnt be TRUE love."
Yes, I know that you think that. I don`t completely agree with it though, but I think that having a stellium of Sun, Mercury and Venus definitely is a very good sign for a relationship and indicative of personal love and ability to communicate with each other.
Well, we do not need to get into that discussion again, cause I think that we might just have different thoughts on that. But not really THAT different.

what I think though is that any composite of a love-relationship should have strong harmonious Venus-aspects with personal planets as well as possibly with Jupitr/Neptune/Pluto.
Without Venus (or the ruler of 5th house) playing a role, I just donīt think that people will fall in love with each other or really enjoy romantic bliss.

What I find interesting about the composite I posted is how our natals relate to the composite:

I am just mentioning the most interesting ones:

my perspective:
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c-Sun conjunct my Mercury, DESC-ruler

c-Moon conjunct my Sun/Moon-mp
c-Moon conjunct my Antivertex

c-Venus opposite my Saturn -ouch

c-Jupiter conjunct my DESC and SN


his perspective (actually his natal relates more strongly to the composite)
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c-Sun conjunct his 5th house ruler Moon
c-Sun conjunct his Sun/Moon-mp

c-Moon conjunct his DESC-ruler, Venus
(c-ASC conjunct his DESC-ruler, Venus also)

c-Mercury conjunct his ASC-ruler, Neptune

c-Mars conjunct his 8th ruler, Pluto

c-Jupiter opposite his DESC-ruler, Mercury
c-NEptune conjunct his DESCruler, MErcury

c-NN conjunct his 8th ruler, Pluto


Well, funnily the composite Sun is conjunct his Sun-Moon-mp and when we first met, Tr Juno was conjunct composite Sun and his Sun/Moon-mp.

And composite MOon is conjunct my Sun/Moon-mp and at first meeting Tr Jupiter was conjunct composite MOon and my Sun/Moon-mp.

LOL


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posted January 14, 2012 03:53 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lioness     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
@RAS... here is the composite with me and fishy..

It doesnt have the stellium... But it feels like what dreams are made of...
The Neptune romance,
moon/neptune
venus/neptune

The raw power of pluto
moon/pluto
venus/pluto

The joy from Jupiter
moon/jupiter
venus/jupiter


Only we are stuck between neptune and pluto...
The desires are all pluto,but the actions are all neptune...


This is by far the most "feeling" I have ever experienced..
Sometimes its so scary.. IDK how to handle it or what to do..
I want to run away so bad and forget it about all of it... But I cant.. Im so stuck..

I cant get him out of my head.... The feeling of I need him, has consumed me...


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posted January 14, 2012 04:08 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ceridwen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Lol

These Moon-Venus aspects are really cropping up from everywhere lately.
(Just noticed that I have had the conjunction in two composites; the composites with my two best friend have Moon - Venus- trine)

Wow, I am just looking at the composite with a colleague of mine; she and me are trying to be civil and work together,b ut we really are on completely different pages and do not like each other very much.

I seriously have never seen such a composite before!

The funny thing is that she has a Leo Sun with Sagittarius Moon, and I have a Sag Sun with Aquarius-Moon, and we also have a Mercury-Venus-trine DW (which is probably WHY we manage to deal relatively polite with each other).

But Jeez, looking at the composite, I am seeing red.

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posted January 14, 2012 04:22 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ceridwen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Lioness,

taht Moon-Pluto conjunction opposing Venus with Venus in 12th house of spiritual things and subconscious things alone would be enough to explain this intense pull. This is raw emotional intensity and passion.
Moon/Pluto on the 6th house could also highlight manipulative powergames, especially in the daily life or at the workplace.
Are you colleagues?

Ceres in the 7th house sextiles / trines this opposition, so this could the way out of all these exhausting passionplays (well the passion is probably great, but the manipulation and emotional blackmailing not). Ceres is about nurturing and caring.


Sun conjunct Mercury opposing Mars, heightens the enthusiasm and passion, but can also lead to angry arguments, and with it being ont he Taurus-Scorpio-axis, it definitely is not easy to forgive and forget.

the ruler of ASC is in 12th house - is yours a secret relationship that needs to stay hidden?
Or it hints either at all these unprocessed feelings between you and of course also is linked to spiritual connections.


Here we have the rulers of ASC and DESC in aspect to Moon,w hich rules the 3rd, and opposing each other. WOW! That is so complimentary. opposition of ASC-DESC-ruler, I really understand why you feel the way you do.

At the core of it, there is a Leo IC, with Sun in Taurus in 1st house conjunct 5th house ruler Mercury, and opposing 12th house ruler Mars. The 12th house connection again!
What is underneath is all is proud, fiery, posessive feelings with a yearning to belong, and a yearning to manifest these feelings in reality (ruler of 4th in 1st house), and these feelings are deeply romantic, erotic and sexual (conj. 5th houe ruler). Communication is also an important stimulus here.
But it is opposing the ruler of the 12th house - again and again subconscious issues, from the past or even a past life, rise up and disturb any kind of possible harmony.
The problem here is that the intensity, posessiveness and jealousy and the emotionality may be so strong, that both of you may resort to playing emotional games to keep your "face" intact, your pride. It`s just too much, too hot to handle.

Mercury is on Algol, too, so it might happen that while trying to talk about things, you simply lose your head (and cool).

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