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Betty Boop
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posted April 27, 2012 04:02 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Betty Boop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
sand -

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why wud ur friends do that tho??

That's a good question.
I think it's bad karma. My Venus is in the 11th (house of friends) and opposite Pluto (5th - romance)... so it plays out in these houses for me... It might be different to your opposition.

The reason - I'm calling it karma.. is that often, 90% of the time the people who hurt me had no clue as to what they were doing. So it was not premeditated. It just spiralled from one thing to the next (kind of like an LL online argument, only it was in real time and in MY relationship - with everyone involved).. It seems I have friends who cannot keep a secret... Maybe I'm just plagued by this or maybe all people are like this. I don't know. Either way - I'm not taking chances in the future.

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Rosalind
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posted April 27, 2012 04:24 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Rosalind     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Betty Boop:
I don't dislike a person based on whether they are loud or not. But if they are "loud" - (by loud I mean expressive and open about absolutely everything & also prone to gossip) - then I will never tell them anything significant about myself.
But the good thing about these people is that often, they love talking about themselves and since I'm more than happy to listen - they don't notice that I didn't mention anything about my life.

Typical about Pisces Mercury. About the gossip thing, I tend to think the opposite. I met several people with this position and they loved to GOSSIP. Thing I with Leo Mercury hate. I have noticed the gossip love especially in men. Creeps me out.

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RegardesPlatero
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posted April 27, 2012 06:15 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for RegardesPlatero     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Betty Boop:
I don't dislike a person based on whether they are loud or not. But if they are "loud" - (by loud I mean expressive and open about absolutely everything & also prone to gossip) - then I will never tell them anything significant about myself.
But the good thing about these people is that often, they love talking about themselves and since I'm more than happy to listen - they don't notice that I didn't mention anything about my life.

I'm the same way.

If someone is a big mouth, that tells me right away that I can't trust that person not to embarrass me, especially by revealing personal things.

On the other hand, the silent types are also not ones to whom I reveal a lot of things, not anymore. They can be the most manipulative. So, you always have to be careful who you trust.

And I agree about talkative people/people focused on themselves not noticing that I'm not saying much about me. While it's unnerving to be around such people, as they can humiliate you without notice and without caring about the damage that they do, as long as they don't have dirt on you, you're good. The risky part is if your family knows those people and tells them stuff about you, which is another good reason not to tell your family anything too personal: even if they don't use it to hurt you, the people that they tell CAN do that.

As for the comment about telling people who you are dating for safety reasons: I don't date, so it's a moot point. However, it's something to think about, and a point worth consideration. I'd probably tell someone else rather than family where I was going and, if I could find a tough-looking guy friend to do it, have someone trusted follow me, discreetly. There are also basic safety things to do, such as never dating someone that you met online, get to know a person before ever dating him and her as opposed to hooking up with some stranger, being on guard and alert at all times, not drinking alcohol or doing drugs, always get your own (non-intoxicating) drinks and don't let them out of your sight, coasters that you can use to test for certain date rape drugs, don't go anywhere after dark/before sunrise, go somewhere VERY public, let the other person leave first so that you are not followed, meet there rather than going together, don't give the person your address, don't let the other person into your residence, have a cell phone with you to call for help but don't talk on it unless it's an emergency (talking on your phone means that you're not on guard and someone could take you by surprise if you're walking alone somewhere), carry something that you can use as a weapon that would not normally be considered a weapon (so that you won't have it taken away from you by security), etc. And, above all, pay attention to your feelings and intuition: if a red flag is raised even the slightest bit, do not ignore that. Better to be safe than sorry.

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Aquacheeka
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posted April 27, 2012 06:29 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Ummmm... that^ all sounds pretty extreme to me. You do realize that 1 in 3 couples today met online, right? I mean I know you said you're not dating, but that approach doesn't sound so much like dating as running a covert operation.
No meeting after dark? So I guess the good old dinner and a movie is out of the question, huh?

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Aquacheeka
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posted April 27, 2012 06:37 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Well I have my sun, Mercury and Venus in the 7th and my boyfriend has his sun, moon, Mercury and Venus in the 11th, so from day 1 it's been like, "Yeah, I like this girl... yeah, we're going on a date..." I met him when he was surrounded by his throng of cool, attractive, edgy-looking and intimidating musician friends (lol), and our relationship has been very linear and out in the open since day 1. We both come from families that are supportive of dating choices (as-long-as-they-make-you-happy types) so that may have played a huge role I now realize as well.

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sand
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posted April 27, 2012 06:43 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for sand     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Betty Boop:
sand -

That's a good question.
I think it's bad karma. My Venus is in the 11th (house of friends) and opposite Pluto (5th - romance)... so it plays out in these houses for me... It might be different to your opposition.

The reason - I'm calling it karma.. is that often, 90% of the time the people who hurt me had no clue as to what they were doing. So it was not premeditated. It just spiralled from one thing to the next (kind of like an LL online argument, only it was in real time and in MY relationship - with everyone involved).. It seems I have friends who cannot keep a secret... Maybe I'm just plagued by this or maybe all people are like this. I don't know. Either way - I'm not taking chances in the future.


Not knowing what they were doing? I guess i could imagine some scenario like that. No not everyone is like that I believe. Just certain ppl.. But yeah best protect ur relationship as it has happened before.

Edit: a wait I do remember u saying anyone can be ur friend! Or something like that! That's y ur Internet tolerance smurf to me lol! I'm picky with mine even if subconsciously, h11 Virgo. I think I've met people that could even be intentionally like that but something just felt off and thankfully no lasting bonds were formed.

I do dislike partners easily swayed by friends but hey I guess the friends did like me at first in my situation.

Ugh mine is in the marriage house and the first. Both Square the leo moon in h10 hence my tabloid analogy.

To add.. I've been in 1 very public relationship with a Pisces. I think the secret language book got bits of it ryt in that it was a very socially/ or aesthetically (their wording) oriented relationship with not a lot of us time. That's one aspect of y I don't enjoy very outward focused relationships. Some can be barely intimate.

Nobody mentioned that forbidden stuff is also a huge turn on. at least it is to me. In fact it's probably the biggest turn on for me, MIS. It's either that or high difficulty level of checkmate, which can be the same thing. Yah I know I sound like a total douche lol!

Psyche in Aquarius? I remember that interp somewhat..

PSYCHE IN AQUARIUS: Like to put a little bubble around themselves and their lover and bask in the fulfillment of their hopes, wishes, and dreams. They like to be acknowledged for their unique and special qualities and do not like to compete for affection.

Ok bubble doesn't sound so secretive.

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Faith
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posted April 27, 2012 08:06 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Faith     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by ghanima81:
I think we're all agreeing that whatever anyone does is FINE. Live and let live, yeah?

Just wanted to point that out.


I'm amazed that so many people here keep relationships private. It never even occurred to me to do that. Interesting!

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Rosalind
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posted April 27, 2012 08:13 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Rosalind     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Faith:
I'm amazed that so many people here keep relationships private. It never even occurred to me to do that. Interesting!

Yeah like it is a paranormal activity. LOL!

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amowls**
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posted April 27, 2012 08:19 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for amowls**     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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As for the comment about telling people who you are dating for safety reasons: I don't date, so it's a moot point. However, it's something to think about, and a point worth consideration. I'd probably tell someone else rather than family where I was going and, if I could find a tough-looking guy friend to do it, have someone trusted follow me, discreetly. There are also basic safety things to do, such as never dating someone that you met online, get to know a person before ever dating him and her as opposed to hooking up with some stranger, being on guard and alert at all times, not drinking alcohol or doing drugs, always get your own (non-intoxicating) drinks and don't let them out of your sight, coasters that you can use to test for certain date rape drugs, don't go anywhere after dark/before sunrise, go somewhere VERY public, let the other person leave first so that you are not followed, meet there rather than going together, don't give the person your address, don't let the other person into your residence, have a cell phone with you to call for help but don't talk on it unless it's an emergency (talking on your phone means that you're not on guard and someone could take you by surprise if you're walking alone somewhere), carry something that you can use as a weapon that would not normally be considered a weapon (so that you won't have it taken away from you by security), etc. And, above all, pay attention to your feelings and intuition: if a red flag is raised even the slightest bit, do not ignore that. Better to be safe than sorry. [/B]


Doing all of these things won't stop someone from attacking you if they want to attack you. Living in fear isn't living. And if I noticed my date doing all of these things, I'd either think they were a wack job, be offended that they think I'm out to rape them or both.

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inthemisosoup
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posted April 27, 2012 11:44 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for inthemisosoup     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I just want to add, besides all of these aspects I mentioned earlier, I think my Scorpio Mercury plays a part here, too. I keep hidden what leaves me vulnerable. I don't like people to see or know much about my vulnerabilities. I don't often talk about my weaknesses, except with the very few I am extremely close to. For that reason, it takes a lot of time for me to trust my SO enough until I let the him meet a lot of friends or family.

Not saying all Scorpio Mercuries are such, but in my experience, we all have this tendency to a degree, just with varying levels. Since I've been hurt in the past I keep my guard up even more.

I wish I could be more carefree like some of you seem to be, but that just isn't who I am. From time to time it comes out, for that reason I introduced the guy I'm dating now to my 2 best friends basically right away. I am a Sagittarius sun, after all. So I guess that lightens me somewhat.

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ghanima81
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posted April 27, 2012 12:31 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ghanima81     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I thought about this topic over the last few days, and although I'm NOT a super secretive person about it, I'm also not one to shout from the rooftops.

I don't have a "realationship status" posted on FB and never have, although I have been in both a serious relationship and dated two people since joining FB in 2007. I keep all my pictures private, and don't post anything on my bf's wall, nor does he on mine unless it's the occasional "like".

It ran through my mind because last year, when I dated somebody for about 3 months, who claimed to "love" me, he never put me as his gf nor listed himself as "in a relationship" on his fb, although I did meet his mother, father, sister and kids. No friends, and we NEVER went anywhere together. Since we broke up, he has listed three different women as "in a relationship with" and posted copious pictures with them. It makes me wonder either WTH is wrong with him that he could speak of love without meaning it, WTH was wrong with me that he couldn't put it out there to the "world" of fb friends that he was with me, or WTH do I even care now? LOL It kinda made me laugh to think about.

My current BF and I have met each others' kids, families, and some friends, (both of our closest friends live nowhere near where we currently live) and he put his status as "in a relationship" on his fb. I still haven't, with no offense to him, and neither of us really care about any of that one way or another.

Just random thoughts about this.

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posted April 27, 2012 12:47 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Yin     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by ghanima81:
It makes me wonder either WTH is wrong with him that he could speak of love without meaning it...

My greatest fear. Some people are in love with love a little too much.

Personally, if I don't feel it I won't say it. I'd say something else, like "I adore you" or "You are wonderful", "I love your presence in my life" etc. but I need to be sure I am in love before I say it. Wish everyone did that.

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sand
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posted April 27, 2012 02:21 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for sand     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Rosalind:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Faith:
[b] I'm amazed that so many people here keep relationships private. It never even occurred to me to do that. Interesting!


Yeah like it is a paranormal activity. LOL!

[/B][/QUOTE]

some people liked that movie..

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posted April 27, 2012 05:18 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Dreaming111     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by RegardesPlatero:

As for the comment about telling people who you are dating for safety reasons: I don't date, so it's a moot point. However, it's something to think about, and a point worth consideration. I'd probably tell someone else rather than family where I was going and, if I could find a tough-looking guy friend to do it, have someone trusted follow me, discreetly. There are also basic safety things to do, such as never dating someone that you met online, get to know a person before ever dating him and her as opposed to hooking up with some stranger, being on guard and alert at all times, not drinking alcohol or doing drugs, always get your own (non-intoxicating) drinks and don't let them out of your sight, coasters that you can use to test for certain date rape drugs, don't go anywhere after dark/before sunrise, go somewhere VERY public, let the other person leave first so that you are not followed, meet there rather than going together, don't give the person your address, don't let the other person into your residence, have a cell phone with you to call for help but don't talk on it unless it's an emergency (talking on your phone means that you're not on guard and someone could take you by surprise if you're walking alone somewhere), carry something that you can use as a weapon that would not normally be considered a weapon (so that you won't have it taken away from you by security), etc. And, above all, pay attention to your feelings and intuition: if a red flag is raised even the slightest bit, do not ignore that. Better to be safe than sorry.

I agree with all this. If you practice it won't come off as a weird. You don't have to have beady eyes and look left and right like the other poster made it out to be calling someone a whack job. Jeez lol. I mean, this stuff does work to protect you. I don't give an elephants behind what that a stranger would not like me to be cautious.

Also, if you meet someone online, it's a good idea NOT to start with your real first name unless it's generic. I did that once and the dude found my address and stuff...very creepy. It's all public info though.

RegardesPlatero I agree with all of what this poster mentioned. It's very easy and practical to be safe. It does not look silly or weird if you do it right.

Be smart, be safe.

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posted April 27, 2012 07:13 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lioness     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I admit I have a thing with secret relationships...
I have read venus/ pluto people have a thing with secret things, but our secret relationships are were the most growth is...

Uranus rules my H12, which is in my H7. So maybe thats a part of it..

Also I dont like people knowing my business.. I dont really tell to many people about me and who I am dating.. I only bring them around if its going to become serious.
I just dont want to bring any guy around, not even to my friends...
I share more of my personal life here on LL then I do with my friends...
I just dont like people into my business or telling me I dont like him, or I do like him.. Blah blah blah...
I dont see a point of bringing every guy that I date around. I dont go around talking about them either..
except to you guys about fishy
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posted April 27, 2012 10:19 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for enchantress299     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hmm...

It sounds like a lot of people on this site swing to one extreme or the other.

Personally, I like a balance of privacy (not secrecy- to me that implies hiding a partner) and being open. No, I'm probably not going to share sexual preferences/tastes, or when we have 'moments' together, etc. but if I'm involved with someone, I will share that. I might casually mention that I'm dating someone, give very vague details, and leave it at that.

Ultimately though, if I'm truly 'involved' with someone, they are going to have to be a part of my life at some point, and that does mean that I will have to introduce them to the REST of my life- which includes my friends and my family... And yes, everyone involved will have opinions. However, I think it's important to distinguish between what is a truly relevant opinion (hey- I saw that guy dealing drugs- you might want to watch yourself) and what is just an opinion (hey- he has a funny tie on, don't you think that tie is just dreadful?).

However, I have not had the experience of having to disown some of my friends or family as it sounds like some of you had. That is unfortunate, and I'm sure I might feel the same way as many of you do if I had those experiences.

Truth is though... I have had an experience with a friend that was ultimately unfair because she did share her opinion to a guy I was dating. I could have blamed the entire mess on her, but instead I realized that what she did simply facilitated an already present breaking point within the relationship.

This girl herself had dated ex-cons (several- one of whom I found out later had dealt drugs from her apartment). Though I never approved of these guys, I ALWAYS kept my mouth shut except to tell her to watch her back. Until she started dating another guy. This guy was NOT an ex-con. He had a good job, a degree, etc... But when the three of us were out together at a bar he groped me without my permission or consent. I did tell my friend the exact truth about what happened immediately after it happened.

And I lost my friend... Or rather, I had to remove myself from my friend's presence for almost a year, because I will NOT compromise my own safety if she is not bright enough to do the same. She considered that what I did (which was TELL THE TRUTH) as meddling in her relationship. If it were ME, I'd want to know that my boyfriend was groping my best friend without her consent. We are friends again, but only because I am forgiving and she finally broke up with the guy (and he moved to another state).

So again... There are benefits to having a partner meet your friends/family. Sometimes they show a side of themselves that you might not have seen otherwise. Unfortunately, this works both ways, in that your friends/family can also show those sides. But... At the end of the day, I'd rather know what I'm getting into with a steady partner.

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posted January 29, 2021 06:30 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Leo-Cancer98     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by ghanima81:
I think we're all agreeing that whatever anyone does is FINE. Live and let live, yeah?

Just wanted to point that out.


True

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posted January 31, 2021 09:18 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Librapurr     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by inthemisosoup:
I just want to add, besides all of these aspects I mentioned earlier, I think my Scorpio Mercury plays a part here, too. I keep hidden what leaves me vulnerable. I don't like people to see or know much about my vulnerabilities. I don't often talk about my weaknesses, except with the very few I am extremely close to. For that reason, it takes a lot of time for me to trust my SO enough until I let the him meet a lot of friends or family.

Not saying all Scorpio Mercuries are such, but in my experience, we all have this tendency to a degree, just with varying levels. Since I've been hurt in the past I keep my guard up even more.

I wish I could be more carefree like some of you seem to be, but that just isn't who I am.


I could be with somebody seriously for a while, and nobody would know. I think even my friends and family have misconceptions about my personal life, often I don’t feel like explaining. I might not know myself for sure. When it gets out, it might ruin the vibes. Scorpio Mercury.


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posted January 31, 2021 09:46 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
12th house synastry is classic for this

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