posted May 08, 2012 09:17 PM            

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Originally posted by Aquacheeka:
It's a moon that makes an aspect to Pluto (especially conjunction, square or opposition, but can also be felt with the minor aspects, just more subdued and less critical). It is a curse. If you can, do some reading online about it. There is a book by Judy Hall. It talks about how many people with Hades moons experienced difficult births or near-death experiences in the womb (two examples I found online were a man whose mother almost aborted him, and the other whose mother ignored her water breaking and went back to bed and he almost died from that). Oftentimes the relationship with the mother is smothering and unhealthy and that is foretold by the umbilical cord wrapped around the neck during childbirth. If they do not have a near-death experience at birth there is a possibility of early death. It tends to run in families and Hades moon people have a karmic connection to other Hades moons. The Kennedy family had Hades moon prevalent and there was a history of difficult births and as we know, tragic and early deaths. Near-death experience is denoted. That's to be embraced as it can ward off the early death karma.

A Scorpio moon is automatically a Hades moon as well.

There is a "shadow" to the emotional nature (often secrets) so even a self-sacrificing moon position can be emotionally a lot stronger than is first evident.

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Wow. That is intense Aquacheeka. I feel terrible that you deal with such a curse. I actually know 2 people in my life with a Hades moon as you called it here and they have had difficult emotional lives too, stemming probably from their birth. The way they were born and the circumstances behind their births were odd and upsetting. It is my grandmother, Moon conjunct Pluto, and my grandfather, Moon in Scorpio. As you can see, you are correct in this sense, that they ended up having a long and tumultuous history and her longest marriage was with him, another Hades Moon.

My grandmother has disclosed to me that she resented her father at one time because he originally wanted her mother to have her aborted due to lack of family finances. My maternal grandfather had an emotionally scarring upbringing, still doesn't speak to siblings to this day. His mother had him when she was very old, it was unusual at the time for an older woman to be having a baby I guess?She was old enough that his eldest brother was almost 18 when she had him.

So the idea of Hades Moon does apply to them. I am very impressed! And I'm glad I could learn a new subject. Thanks for sharing this info with us. :')

posted May 08, 2012 09:27 PM            

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Originally posted by Aquacheeka:
It's a moon that makes an aspect to Pluto (especially conjunction, square or opposition, but can also be felt with the minor aspects, just more subdued and less critical). It is a curse. If you can, do some reading online about it. There is a book by Judy Hall. It talks about how many people with Hades moons experienced difficult births or near-death experiences in the womb (two examples I found online were a man whose mother almost aborted him, and the other whose mother ignored her water breaking and went back to bed and he almost died from that). Oftentimes the relationship with the mother is smothering and unhealthy and that is foretold by the umbilical cord wrapped around the neck during childbirth. If they do not have a near-death experience at birth there is a possibility of early death. It tends to run in families and Hades moon people have a karmic connection to other Hades moons. The Kennedy family had Hades moon prevalent and there was a history of difficult births and as we know, tragic and early deaths. Near-death experience is denoted. That's to be embraced as it can ward off the early death karma.

A Scorpio moon is automatically a Hades moon as well.

There is a "shadow" to the emotional nature (often secrets) so even a self-sacrificing moon position can be emotionally a lot stronger than is first evident.

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posted May 08, 2012 09:33 PM            

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Originally posted by eliferen:
i think you are wrong about yourself it gives you the THOUGHT of not being beautiful/handsome
only YOU find yourself unattractive

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posted May 08, 2012 09:38 PM            

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Originally posted by Lazyscarecrow:
Venus opposite Saturn. I still have YET to come to terms with the lessons of this aspect and stop being difficult to others and myself.

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posted May 08, 2012 09:39 PM            

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Originally posted by earthypisces:
I wouldn't wish my eighth house moon on anyone, even those who have hurt me the most in life. By far my worst placement.

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posted May 08, 2012 09:39 PM            

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Originally posted by sweet-scorpion:
Wow. That is intense Aquacheeka. I feel terrible that you deal with such a curse. I actually know 2 people in my life with a Hades moon as you called it here and they have had difficult emotional lives too, stemming probably from their birth. The way they were born and the circumstances behind their births were odd and upsetting. It is my grandmother, Moon conjunct Pluto, and my grandfather, Moon in Scorpio. As you can see, you are correct in this sense, that they ended up having a long and tumultuous history and her longest marriage was with him, another Hades Moon.

My grandmother has disclosed to me that she resented her father at one time because he originally wanted her mother to have her aborted due to lack of family finances. My maternal grandfather had an emotionally scarring upbringing, still doesn't speak to siblings to this day. His mother had him when she was very old, it was unusual at the time for an older woman to be having a baby I guess?She was old enough that his eldest brother was almost 18 when she had him.

So the idea of Hades Moon does apply to them. I am very impressed! And I'm glad I could learn a new subject. Thanks for sharing this info with us. :')

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posted May 08, 2012 09:43 PM            

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Originally posted by hannaramaa:
This is fascinating, because I've noticed as of lately I'm attracted to these guys who have Moon opp. Pluto, and then we have it in our synastry/composite chart too. I didn't know it stood for karmic connections. Such a shame I can't go around freely asking if they feel a karmic connection to me, 'cause I wanna know! I was also supposed to be a down syndrome baby but turned out fine. Does that count as near death? I also think it's weird how many Scorpio moons I can sniff out. I know a LOT of them and most are very controlled in their emotions and hard to read. I wonder if that's how I come across especially with my Saturn placements.

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Hmmm... well have you ever had an experience where you thought, "WOW! THAT WAS CLOSE!"?

I have, I was seconds away from drowning which is a danger I now know I should always be wary of with my eighth house sign being Pisces.

posted May 08, 2012 11:02 PM            

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Originally posted by Aquacheeka:
It's a moon that makes an aspect to Pluto (especially conjunction, square or opposition, but can also be felt with the minor aspects, just more subdued and less critical). It is a curse. If you can, do some reading online about it. There is a book by Judy Hall. It talks about how many people with Hades moons experienced difficult births or near-death experiences in the womb (two examples I found online were a man whose mother almost aborted him, and the other whose mother ignored her water breaking and went back to bed and he almost died from that). Oftentimes the relationship with the mother is smothering and unhealthy and that is foretold by the umbilical cord wrapped around the neck during childbirth. If they do not have a near-death experience at birth there is a possibility of early death. It tends to run in families and Hades moon people have a karmic connection to other Hades moons. The Kennedy family had Hades moon prevalent and there was a history of difficult births and as we know, tragic and early deaths. Near-death experience is denoted. That's to be embraced as it can ward off the early death karma.

A Scorpio moon is automatically a Hades moon as well.

There is a "shadow" to the emotional nature (often secrets) so even a self-sacrificing moon position can be emotionally a lot stronger than is first evident.

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WOW! This is fascinating! My Scorpio moon son was born so peacefully and non-dramatically though. Hmm...

Meanwhile I almost died at birth, but Pluto doesn't aspect my moon.

Pluto Libra 11
Moon Pisces 19

I really don't know what to make of it.

posted May 08, 2012 11:21 PM            

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Originally posted by Lonake:
Yikes. I know a lady with this. Celibate for 15 yrs after being diagnosed with breast cancer , now in remission. Really picky over the kind of man she wants. Really critical in general and has a hard demeanor that pushes other people away. She doesn't even see it. She cries about how lonely she is, but there's some connection that isn't being made between her circumstance and how she relates to people. I still don't understand how someone can be so unwilling to put 2 and 2 together.

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posted May 09, 2012 12:47 AM            

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Originally posted by hannaramaa:
This is fascinating, because I've noticed as of lately I'm attracted to these guys who have Moon opp. Pluto, and then we have it in our synastry/composite chart too. I didn't know it stood for karmic connections. Such a shame I can't go around freely asking if they feel a karmic connection to me, 'cause I wanna know! I was also supposed to be a down syndrome baby but turned out fine. Does that count as near death? I also think it's weird how many Scorpio moons I can sniff out. I know a LOT of them and most are very controlled in their emotions and hard to read. I wonder if that's how I come across especially with my Saturn placements.

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posted May 09, 2012 01:01 AM            

(oops didn't see ur post aquaguy)

posted May 09, 2012 01:04 AM            

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Originally posted by Lazyscarecrow:
Wow. Aside from the cancer part, I kind of know where she's coming from. Yeah, people with Venus-Saturn aspects can push people away even unintentionally, if they don't somehow find a way to get it through to themselves that they are worthy of love like anyone else. Pickiness is a part of it, but I don't consider myself picky about WHO I love at all. I'm just picky over the type of love I receive, which really isn't any better. This lady sounds like she's as hard on herself as she is on others. Can't say I blame her though...well, not about her behavior and the effect it has on others, but for being that way.

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posted May 09, 2012 01:36 AM            

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Originally posted by sand:
that hades moon stuff can be so overblown just like anything scorpio. like dude chill it's just life u know..

(oops didn't see ur post aquaguy)

either way i think the perceived level of intense emotions are still abit exage.

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posted May 09, 2012 01:39 AM            

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Originally posted by sand:
me too. i'm not picky tho i do sometimes feel unworthy of what is given.

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posted May 09, 2012 01:41 AM            

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Originally posted by Lazyscarecrow:
Yeah. It's like love has to come with some sort of expectations or price, or is just unattainable period. I feel like any other Saturn aspect is easier to deal with except maybe Sun/Saturn.

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posted May 09, 2012 01:48 AM            

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Originally posted by aquaguy91:
Sun Saturn does suck, I have the conjunction

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posted May 09, 2012 01:50 AM            

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Originally posted by Lazyscarecrow:
What house is it in?

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posted May 09, 2012 01:59 AM            

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Originally posted by aquaguy91:
Twelfth

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posted May 09, 2012 02:08 AM            

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Originally posted by Lazyscarecrow:
Oh duh...you did mention that in your first post. I am slow. That also reminds me to add my Pluto in the 12th as a tough aspect.
12th house placements can be very introverted. But also very self-sufficient. I can see this happening with Sun conj Saturn in there. I'm no astrologer by any means but I'm just saying I can relate.

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posted May 09, 2012 02:17 AM            

Sun in Cap quincunx (inconjunct) rx Jupiter in Leo - "The Lion and the Unicorn were fighting for the crown"

Moon-Juno in Aqua square Venus-Uranus in Scorpio - my emotions & love life are a roller coaster nightmare

posted May 09, 2012 02:22 AM            

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Originally posted by Lazyscarecrow:
Yeah. It's like love has to come with some sort of expectations or price, or is just unattainable period. I feel like any other Saturn aspect is easier to deal with except maybe Sun/Saturn.

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expectations or price? hmm.. don't get what u mean but it might be personal to ur chart anyway.

posted May 09, 2012 02:27 AM            

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Originally posted by sand:
expectations or price? hmm.. don't get what u mean but it might be personal to ur chart anyway.

the good part with saturn is that it loosens it's grip with time. i felt unworthy for some unknown reason when i was 16 or 17 or so my first time around but i don't feel that way anymore. i have sun opposition saturn as well..

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Oh lol, that was me rambling a bit. Like...you have to change your expectations of others or fit them, be "worthy" or give up a part of yourself to be in love. But yeah, that might be my Venus in the 8th or Venus/Pluto talking ^^ I heard Saturn improves with time, I'm crossing my fingers and hoping that's true.

posted May 09, 2012 04:03 AM            

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Originally posted by Faith:
I don't want to post my least favorite aspect, because I don't want to hear Lonake's pessimistic commentary.

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