posted May 09, 2012 04:06 AM            

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Originally posted by Lazyscarecrow:
This lady sounds like she's as hard on herself as she is on others. Can't say I blame her though...well, not about her behavior and the effect it has on others, but for being that way.

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posted May 09, 2012 06:08 AM            

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Originally posted by Lazyscarecrow:
Oh lol, that was me rambling a bit. Like...you have to change your expectations of others or fit them, be "worthy" or give up a part of yourself to be in love. But yeah, that might be my Venus in the 8th or Venus/Pluto talking ^^ I heard Saturn improves with time, I'm crossing my fingers and hoping that's true.

How is sun opp saturn, or how does it affect you? All I know is that I have it in my progressed natal...but I have no idea how that works.

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i have venus pluto too but h7 venus.

posted May 09, 2012 07:44 AM            

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Originally posted by vickymadness:
Ooh and about saturn sqaure venus ... I get compliment from people and I don't believe them ... never. I always think they are only faking it for the sake of just being nice to me , and maybe I'm right

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I too hv Venus square Saturn. Exact to the degreeee. Sigh. I used to hv self esteem issues like I'm not good enough (academic, personality, work) n that I have to do better at this or that before I deserve love fr family, friend, etc. It was horrible. I can top the class but I felt depressed cos I did not top the faculty. I feel happy with my looks but my mom is always saying my complexion is not good... N she said that when I hv a flawless skin.

Now, I dun give a F*** if anyone thinks I'm not good enough. Sometimes my boss will say / hint I'm not good enough compared to so-n-so. I just give her the stare. My mom, still compare me frequently with my sis, eg. Not pretty enough, not earning as much as..., not this, not that. I seriously dun give a F*** what she thinks these days. Just listen and ignore.

posted May 09, 2012 08:13 AM            

I have Saturn in 12th house too so that is prob another aspect that is causing all these issues.

posted May 09, 2012 08:17 AM            

I'd say my toughest aspect (well, aspects) is a square from Saturn to my Scorpio stellium (Sun, Mars and Pluto). To add some fun, the Moon makes it a T-square. I think it makes for some serious repression and frustrated feelings, and a tendency for anxiety and fearfulness/lack of confidence.

So, uh, Venus/Saturn hard aspects aren't the only ones to fall into the "difficult" category!

posted May 09, 2012 08:37 AM            

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Originally posted by Lonake:

Doux, No idea you had that stellium (!) Kept it under wraps lol. That's like Moonfish. So do you have a lot of energy that comes out in big spurts to move you toward a goal, but the energy is from frustration (Saturn sq)?

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I don't talk about it much because I don't really relate to these placements. Technically it's not a real stellium, Sun conjuncts Mercury and Mars conjuncts Pluto; Sun and Pluto are 9° apart.

I'm pretty much apathetic (fire void) and the fact that Mars/Pluto are close to the DSC makes it difficult to find energy within myself, I kinda tend to disown my own drive and power.

The Saturn square wants me to do something more productive, channel all that energy into something meaningful, but I just can't seem to find the motivation. Btw Saturn is in the 11th which puts a damper on hopes & dreams, they're practically non existent.

I truly hope it will get better with time because I feel stuck like 24/7.

ETA: Just saw you added authority figures.
Father has been an on/off influence, wasn't much present in my life and nowadays I don't see him at all; he's got another family. So, weak male figure for sure.
Mother is quite smothering and critical, and home life has always been violent/angry (Moon square Mars/Pluto opposite Saturn).

posted May 09, 2012 08:38 AM            

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Originally posted by Lonake:
[No idea you had that stellium (!) Kept it under wraps lol. That's like Moonfish.[/B]

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posted May 09, 2012 08:45 AM            

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Originally posted by Faith:
What are you implying about Moonfish?

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Faith, dear, Lonake just said that I had the same placements as Moonfish.

posted May 09, 2012 09:09 AM            

Moonfish and Lonake have clashed in the past, so I'm not sure. Here Lonake is saying, "Keep that under wraps." Keep WHAT under wraps?

posted May 09, 2012 10:29 AM            

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Originally posted by Aquacheeka:
What's frustrating for me is not knowing if I have a Venus/Mars square or not... it may be that I have one, out-of-sign (7 degree orb), but I've read conflicting things... some say that that orb if influence is too wide for an out-of-sign aspect. Grrrr.

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posted May 09, 2012 10:35 AM            

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Originally posted by Faith:
Hi Doux,

Moonfish and Lonake have clashed in the past, so I'm not sure. Here Lonake is saying, "Keep that under wraps." Keep WHAT under wraps?

'Just want to make sure no one is making a cheap jab at Moonfish. I like her very much.

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Lonake thought I had a Sun/Mars/Pluto conjunction in Scorpio just like Moonfish, that's why she said I "kept it under wraps", because I don't tend to talk about it (I don't have the conjunction by the way).

I like Moonfish, too. And I like you, and I like Lonake. I'd appreciate it if you guys could keep the peace, I'm sure you're all good people, just with some differences and that's why you may find it hard to get along with each other. But.. you know, peace is cool.

@ Aquacheeka, I think you're the only one who can know whether the square has some effect or not. If you find it hard to balance compromise/assertiveness, the feminine/masculine side of yourself, and if your relationships tend to be very intense and your emotions turn from love to hate in a nanosecond, then chances are, that's the Venus/Mars square at work.

posted May 09, 2012 11:27 AM            

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Originally posted by Doux Rêve:
@ Aquacheeka, I think you're the only one who can know whether the square has some effect or not. If you find it hard to balance compromise/assertiveness, the feminine/masculine side of yourself, and if your relationships tend to be very intense and your emotions turn from love to hate in a nanosecond, then chances are, that's the Venus/Mars square at work.

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Doux, thanks for your insight. I DO tend to feel intense love and hate, but that is the case for all of my relationships and not just my romantic ones (I'm Plutonian with moon in the eighth), so it's hard for me to tell if that's the Venus/Mars. I feel at ease with the masculine and feminine sides of myself. The most accurate description I've read of the Venus/Mars aspect (I also think this site does a good job with describing Mars/Saturn aspects as well) comes from thestrangehouse: http://www.strangehouse.com/natal-aspects/venus-sextile-mars-2.html http://www.strangehouse.com/natal-aspects/venus-square-mars-2.html

posted May 09, 2012 11:38 AM            

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Originally posted by Doux Rêve:

Lonake thought I had a Sun/Mars/Pluto conjunction in Scorpio just like Moonfish, that's why she said I "kept it under wraps", because I don't tend to talk about it (I don't have the conjunction by the way).

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Ok, if no negativity was intended, it was my mistake.

When I perceive a person being negative in general, it's easy for me to make assumptions about their intent.

But I will try and have better discernment.

posted May 09, 2012 12:04 PM            

Ascendant Square Uranus

You are a rebel at heart. When your independence is denied even momentarily, you are defiantly abusive. You feel you have the right to do anything you want without adhering to any rules or regulations. In general you are irresponsible and find it hard to learn anything from your experiences. You were at odds with the rest of your family when you were growing up, and you will always strike others as being different from the average person. But you do have a mind of your own and insist on finding for yourself the best way to capitalize on your wealth of ideas.

Generally indifferent to money, you prefer to devote your efforts to enterprises that are characterized by such cliches as "relevant" and "meaningful." What you do is far more important than what you are paid for doing it. Your modernity is repelled by tradition, and yet you conform to another kind of tradition that is consistent with the values of your generation.

You refuse to stay confined in a career that does not give you some degree of freedom and mobility. A nine to five routine would be positively crushing to your individuality. The only reason you want an education is so you can make a better contribution to society, but you must learn to be wary of people who will take advantage of you and deprive you of even basic necessities. Giving is noble, but in this case poverty is stupid. You are not likely to seek a binding partnership unless it is by agreement rather than by contract. You remember rebelling against the close confinement of your youth, and you have no intention of repeating that experience. You are disturbed by social injustices, and hope that someday you can contribute substantially to eliminating those injustices. You need to know that your life''s work is serving a wide human need. Closely identified with youth in society, you try to help young people exploit their creative potentials.

In love you should spend some time and thought in making your social style smoother and sweeter, even though you sometimes find that approach stifling. In the long run you will be better off if you are less outspoken about your feelings, even though you do this out of concern for the truth. Often what you say to a lover may seem clear and necessary at the time, but your words may cause emotional harm unintentionally, which you will later regret possibly because you have lost the friendship.

posted May 09, 2012 01:03 PM            

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Originally posted by Faith:
AD, is your ascendant square Uranus, too?

Mine is. Point taken.

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posted May 09, 2012 02:13 PM            

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Originally posted by ariesdragon:
Yup Faith sweetie
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HVomZjFQYVk&feature=youtube_gdata_player

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ROTFL!!!

posted May 09, 2012 02:48 PM            

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Originally posted by Faith:
ROTFL!!!

Thanks AD, I'm still laughing. That girl has thigh-high athletic socks on, I can't believe it!

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posted May 09, 2012 06:17 PM            

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Originally posted by Doux Rêve:
Sun and Pluto are 9° apart.

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