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Topic: Political Views and Natal Chart
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mockingbird
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posted May 16, 2012 01:46 PM
  
I'm centrist-liberal, but am also quite tired of most things political."I like to pay taxes. With them, I buy civilization."
- Oliver Wendell Holmes I want my (tax) money to be spent wisely, though, and I think that there is currently an incredible amount of waste - no-bid contracts, subsidies counter to the public good, and the "spend it now so you'll have it later" policy of most governmental funding immediately come to mind.
I'd like to see more funds directed (again, not wastefully and with prudent oversight) towards social issues and less directed towards defense; not because I think that defense is unnecessary, but because we currently have a system in which idiotic politicians give the DoD more than it asks for in a given budget year in an attempt to garner favor with their funders and with hawks back home.
Defense itself shouldn't be majorly compromised, but there's currently waste...so much fukcing waste.  IP: Logged |
Aquacheeka
Knowflake Posts: 1459
From: Toronto
Registered: Mar 2012
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posted May 16, 2012 02:40 PM
Why do you think so many of us are leftists?Do you think the very nature of being inclined to something as ethereal as astrology makes metaphysical-believers like us more open-minded in general? IP: Logged |
PixieJane
Knowflake Posts: 491
From: CA
Registered: Oct 2010
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posted May 16, 2012 05:31 PM
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Originally posted by Pure:
I agree completely! I feel sorry for my generation and future generations to come because there so much technology already about and more being created. Our televisions and smartphones work as a distraction to stop us from seeing what is actually going on in the world.
I've slowly distanced myself from the main stream media (and just for the record I consider FOX to be mainstream and just as untrustworthy--more so in some ways, but in other ways they report on things the other stations miss completely so I guess it balances out, not that I'd call them "fair and balanced"). I prefer foreign media because it tends to be actual news, it doesn't insinuate (or even outright tell me) how I should think or feel about it, and most tragically it actually understands things like Constitutional issues and explains them without bias ("just the facts"). But there is one awesome exception, IMO, that I discovered a few months ago called The Alyona Show, and while owned by RT she's an American. She reports on things the others won't, and her "main stream miss" segments are especially threatening to the main stream media, IMO, which is why they avoid mentioning her at all and when they do they dishonestly insinuate she's not legite (I can give examples of her responses to those pieces if anyone likes). Warning to strong Democrat or Republican supporters...despite her being a liberal and a registered Democrat (though she often has Libertarian speakers on her show) she doesn't take sides and will tear down CNN as fast as FOX (or rarely give either one credit for touching a story that the other TV news channels missed or for some other pleasant surprise) and she gives "Tool Time Awards" to Obama as much as Republicans (that is, she's a media watchdog even to her own party, not the media lapdog for the economic and political elite as the main stream media), which is another reason she's not very popular in America as she makes too many people who care about the political news very uncomfortable as it challenges their biases. But I highly recommend her show for those who want to stay informed on political and economic matters in the USA (though I must say being subscribed to her YT channel is something of a pain as I get several news casts sent to my hotmail 5 days a week which builds up fast). IP: Logged |
PixieJane
Knowflake Posts: 491
From: CA
Registered: Oct 2010
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posted May 16, 2012 05:44 PM
Following up on the media I thought I'd share that last summer I visited my family in Texas last summer and in the Texas heat we all got kinda irritable and I pointed out some of the things they said about Obama was actually urban legends and it got onto FOX which I had some less than flattering things to say about it which got some loyal FOX viewers in my family upset. Later my cousin Zack brought up that his dad was pretty mad over what I said about FOX and I said FOX news would serve better as a drinking game than a source of information. That is every time you hear a weasel word or phrase meant to shape opinion rather than to inform or calling Obama something along the lines of a sarcastic "the Anointed One" then take one drink. So he tried it the next day at his 'rents home (Zack lives in a trailer with his family just a few meters/yards from the house his 'rents live in) who got confused why he was drinking so much. Zack said it was so perfect the way Obama kept being called "the anointed one" (I believe that's O'Reilly's schtick, so I'm guessing it was his show, but as I've avoided it as much as possible the last few years I'm not certain) over and over again and a few times had to take another drink immediately after because Obama was called that again. His mom asked him why he was drinking so much and he explained (while stopping to take more shots because "Anointed One" was said again) what I had said and that he agreed with me, watching FOX made a great drinking game. They said once again I proved a bad influence on him (which Granny finds hilarious since even when I was 14 and Zack 17 she left ME in charge as I had better sense) and he's not allowed back over there until he can treat FOX news with more respect than as a drinking game.  IP: Logged |
Faith
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posted May 16, 2012 06:20 PM
The entire media is like The Matrix. Six major corporations run all the major news outlets, and they are part of the War Machine as much as Congress is. So Fox ridicules Obama for not being hawkish enough toward Iran. You'll NEVER hear how the "terror threat" from Iran escalated coincidentally with the establishment of the Iranian Oil Bourse, which threatens the value of the dollar. You won't hear it on MSNBC. You won't read it in the paper. You won't hear about it on the radio because it's all controlled! Most Americans never heard the expression "peak oil" yet alone taken the time to analyze the cold, hard facts about our limited supply. So Iran is #4 in the world for oil reserves, #2 for natural gas...and we're going to let them leverage that against our fragile petro-dollar? Not without beating the tom-toms for war! And possibly getting into another one over it but OOPS...I forgot....yeah, it's all about terrorism. Or maybe it's about saving gay Iranians from thug dictators. Right.What a happy coincidence that all the terrorists and dictators we NEED to overthrow come from oil-rich countries or countries with resources we want, whose governments are non-compliant with US "corporatocracy" demands. How nice that the US is so full of terrorists that the Defense Department is indulging the military-industrial complex with multi-billion dollar contracts to beef up our police, establish new prisons, expand the surveillance complex enough to make Big Brother look like a silly little joke. Do Americans even CARE? Why should they, the media never gave them the go-ahead to. Sorry, I'm just disgusted by it all. Vent over. IP: Logged |
YoursTrulyAlways
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posted May 16, 2012 06:34 PM
As I suspected, I'm the very odd one here, so LL may want to explore my chart for anomalies. Sorry I should be serious because emotions and anger are running high, but the nation is what it is. We'll just have to deal with it as best as possible. IP: Logged |
PixieJane
Knowflake Posts: 491
From: CA
Registered: Oct 2010
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posted May 16, 2012 07:10 PM
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PixieJane
Knowflake Posts: 491
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Registered: Oct 2010
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posted May 16, 2012 07:10 PM
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Originally posted by Faith:
How nice that the US is so full of terrorists that the Defense Department is indulging the military-industrial complex with multi-billion dollar contracts to beef up our police, establish new prisons, expand the surveillance complex enough to make Big Brother look like a silly little joke.Do Americans even CARE? Why should they, the media never gave them the go-ahead to
Alyona goes into all of this a lot. And just in case you haven't heard of it I thought I'd recommend a book for you that I think is still relevant today (and you should be able to ILL--Inter Library Loan-it from your library if your library doesn't already have it):
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YoursTrulyAlways
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posted May 16, 2012 07:32 PM
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Originally posted by Faith:
How nice that the US is so full of terrorists that the Defense Department is indulging the military-industrial complex with multi-billion dollar contracts to beef up our police, establish new prisons, expand the surveillance complex enough to make Big Brother look like a silly little joke.Do Americans even CARE? Why should they, the media never gave them the go-ahead to. Sorry, I'm just disgusted by it all. Vent over.
Faith, My wife and I do care, except that we hold the opposing viewpoint. I came out from the 82nd Floor of Two World Trade Center on 9/11/2001. I had 10 minutes to spare or I would have been dust in some Staten Island landfill. From that point onwards, my wife had no sympathy for the opposing force. I never did have empathy for the pissant terrorists. And felons nauseate me. I just as well see them locked up. IP: Logged |
amowls**
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Registered: Dec 2010
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posted May 16, 2012 07:54 PM
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I came out from the 82nd Floor of Two World Trade Center on 9/11/2001. I had 10 minutes to spare or I would have been dust in some Staten Island landfill.From that point onwards, my wife had no sympathy for the opposing force. I never did have empathy for the pissant terrorists. And felons nauseate me. I just as well see them locked up.
Not to be a d*ck but I'm sure that's what people say before becoming terrorists when we bomb their towns and kill their families and ruin their livelihoods all in the name of "spreading democracy." The reason why there is so much western hate in the middle east is because of the **** like The Balfour Declaration/Sykes-Picot Agreement and the US/Britain's involvement in Iran leading up to the revolution, and just western colonialism in general (not trying to say that all of the Middle East is the same, because it isn't but we've done a LOT to f*ck sh*t up over there). Sure, it's not right to kill civilians but an eye for an eye leaves the whole world blind. IP: Logged |
enchantress299
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posted May 16, 2012 08:21 PM
I have always said that people tend to fall on the side in which they have the most stake. Upbringing plays a part in that, but so do the circumstances in which we find ourselves. I am currently working with the most disadvantaged of our population, the severely developmentally disabled. I don't get paid very much for what I do, but what I do is very necessary. Some days I wish all people could see how necessary it is. I find it so heart breaking that some people treat the people that I work with as throwaway people (forgetting that they themselves are always one car accident away from quadriplegia or worse). I am socially liberal, a spiritualist, and a feminist, and very much opposed to religious zealotry and greed running our country. I fall pretty far left, but I do believe in regulating businesses/wall street. There is a reason that the government has a checks and balances system, and I believe that corporations and businesses need this as well, otherwise all they do is exploit the very people they are supposedly working for.
9th house Venus and Mars
Sagittarius in the 1st- Uranus, Jupiter, Neptune
T-square- Jupiter/Uranus opp. Chiron square Sun/MC/Venus
LOTS of mutable- 3 planets in Sagittarius, 3 planets in Virgo I've always attributed liberalism more to mutable signs than even to Aquas, only because progressives/liberals have to be able to deal well with change and communication, which mutables are far more accustomed to. IP: Logged |
earthypisces
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posted May 16, 2012 08:40 PM
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I am currently working with the most disadvantaged of our population, the severely developmentally disabled. I don't get paid very much for what I do, but what I do is very necessary.
Good for you!  I truly do have a lot of respect for people who do the kind of work that you do.
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Aquacheeka
Knowflake Posts: 1459
From: Toronto
Registered: Mar 2012
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posted May 16, 2012 10:57 PM
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Originally posted by earthypisces:
Good for you! I truly do have a lot of respect for people who do the kind of work that you do.
Yep! Thank you so much for your courage, sensitivity, service, and your sacrifice.
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enchantress299
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posted May 17, 2012 07:17 PM
Thanks. I don't see it so much as a sacrifice... In general I simply want to work with people, and as such, I just can't see myself doing anything else (except maybe something creative like acting, dancing, or writing), so it's really just a part of who I am. I've asked myself many times what I would do if I didn't work with people or if I couldn't take part in a creative pursuit, and the truth is, I really can't see myself doing anything else. That being said, it greatly influences my political views, since I place more valuation on people and on the choice of the people than I do on money/resources. IP: Logged |
YoursTrulyAlways
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posted May 17, 2012 09:05 PM
Well, I'm the reverse. I place emphasis on gaining money/resources so that I can help others. I just completed a huge (for me) donation to one of my favorite charities, one from whom my own son was once a beneficiary. It also influences my political views, except in the other direction. IP: Logged |
VenusDiSirius
Knowflake Posts: 3199
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Registered: Aug 2010
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posted May 17, 2012 09:18 PM
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Originally posted by amowls**:
Sure, it's not right to kill civilians but an eye for an eye leaves the whole world blind.
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Nine
Knowflake Posts: 1027
From: The Cusp of Love
Registered: May 2009
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posted May 17, 2012 09:56 PM
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No one is born racist, but people can be taught to be that way. A child is Innocent the first day there born.
Don't want to be contrary but kids, un- socialized, can be are pretty cruel. I doubt they were taught such behavior from their parents. As for racism. I think the contrast fools us into thinking it's the differences that make people fight. But the average African couldn't tell the difference between an Irishman & an Englishman or a Japanese & a Chinese. Yet there is a lot of bad blood between these groups. Surely it ain't a color thing, or hair texture or facial features the breeds animosity. Perhaps the earth is a battlefield where souls are banished to slaughter each other. quote:
1) Most of what we hear about what is going on in the government is spin and lies.^ That is my 3H Pluto speaking.
LOL. Love it. quote:
Most Americans never heard the expression "peak oil" yet alone taken the time to analyze the cold, hard facts about our limited supply.
There's actually new information out about Peak Oil. Apparently that too may be a scam to boost oil profits. Some are saying Oil isn't/wasn't created by fossils because it's found at depths where fossilized remains isn't found...except for oil. Thus oil isn't a fossil fuel. Also, oil became a "fossil fuel" because the leading monopoly wanted to created the illusion of scarcity. This, to extract top dollar. Like diamonds. It's not a conspiracy, it's not even dishonest. It's called Capitalism. The thesis: Oil is/was not formed from the fossils of long ago dead animals, but is naturally occurring from within the earth. On parts of the globe where conditions are just right, oil bubbles to the surface.
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Planet Queen
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posted May 17, 2012 11:48 PM
I also identify as a feminist and believe that our current government in this country is not a democracy. It has little room for the people to speak nor be heard because the rich control this country and perpetuate the middle class in getting poorer. Like Karl Marx implied the middle class is dying while the bourgeoisie are getting richer to the point that this country will become a monarchy, it is sickening. I identify as a socialist. I have Saturn/Uranus in Sag. 1st H opposite Venus in Gemini in 7th H. Jupiter in Gemini sextile Sun, Mercury and Mars with Mercury in Leo in the 8th H. IP: Logged |
earthypisces
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posted May 18, 2012 02:27 AM
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Originally posted by Planet Queen:
I also identify as a feminist and believe that our current government in this country is not a democracy. It has little room for the people to speak nor be heard because the rich control this country and perpetuate the middle class in getting poorer. Like Karl Marx implied the middle class is dying while the bourgeoisie are getting richer to the point that this country will become a monarchy, it is sickening. I identify as a socialist. I have Saturn/Uranus in Sag. 1st H opposite Venus in Gemini in 7th H. Jupiter in Gemini sextile Sun, Mercury and Mars with Mercury in Leo in the 8th H.
I'd also consider myself a Socalist, and I absolutely hate how whenever you mention Socialism to another American, they are just like... "omg" *gasp of horror*. IP: Logged |
RegardesPlatero
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From: Storybrooke, Mr. Gold's Shop
Registered: Sep 2011
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posted May 18, 2012 06:10 AM
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Originally posted by earthypisces:
I absolutely hate how whenever you mention Socialism to another American, they are just like... "omg" *gasp of horror*.
--I agree. I honestly think that a lot of Americans don't actually know the definition of "socialism". Around here, people have the same reaction to the word "communism". Socialism and communism are different, to be sure, but in the US, the words are used interchangeably as an insult.
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RegardesPlatero
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From: Storybrooke, Mr. Gold's Shop
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posted May 18, 2012 06:18 AM
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Originally posted by Nine:
Don't want to be contrary but kids, un- socialized, can be are pretty cruel. I doubt they were taught such behavior from their parents.
1) I agree with you about kids. I don't believe in the "children are pure and innocent" myth, as someone who was constantly excluded and ridiculed by peers growing up. I've seen firsthand that kids can be vicious. Little girls can be especially cruel with gossip and emotional ways of hurting others. On a more extreme end, there have been child murderers, and let's not forget bullies: cyber bullies, in person bullies, harassers, children who molest other children, etc. That's not to say that all kids are bad, just that we need to let go of the idea that somehow age makes a person pure and good. Children are good and bad just like adults. They're people, just younger and smaller. Some are wonderful people, and others are not--just like any other age group.
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Pure
Knowflake Posts: 62
From: London, ENG
Registered: Apr 2012
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posted May 18, 2012 07:54 AM
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Originally posted by Planet Queen:
It has little room for the people to speak nor be heard because the rich control this country and perpetuate the middle class in getting poorer. Like Karl Marx implied the middle class is dying while the bourgeoisie are getting richer to the point that this country will become a monarchy, it is sickening.
What is the point in having more money than you can spend though? You can't take your money or your extravagant possessions with you after you die. Why can't we just focus on making life a little better for the lower and middle class for as long as we reside on this planet?  I'm currently doing youth work and a common reason for teenagers commiting crimes is because they feel on the fringes of society, the goverment are ignoring them and they don't have enough money. Where are their parents to stop them? They're slaving away at two jobs just so they can pay the bills and put food on the table. It's so unjust. IP: Logged |
Lazyscarecrow
Knowflake Posts: 118
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Registered: Aug 2011
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posted May 18, 2012 08:24 AM
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Originally posted by Pure:
What is the point in having more money than you can spend though? You can't take your money or your extravagant possessions with you after you die.
^This I never understood the whole concept of one living beyond their means. Don't get me wrong, having "stuff" is nice and buying "stuff" makes you feel good, but it's always more important that everyone gets what they NEED.
Most of the time, money is poorly spent anyways...or maybe I just watch too much TV.
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Aquacheeka
Knowflake Posts: 1459
From: Toronto
Registered: Mar 2012
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posted May 18, 2012 08:40 AM
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Originally posted by RegardesPlatero:
1) I agree with you about kids. I don't believe in the "children are pure and innocent" myth, as someone who was constantly excluded and ridiculed by peers growing up. I've seen firsthand that kids can be vicious. Little girls can be especially cruel with gossip and emotional ways of hurting others. On a more extreme end, there have been child murderers, and let's not forget bullies: cyber bullies, in person bullies, harassers, children who molest other children, etc.
+300,000. Imo, adults are a more accurate representation of the best in humanity, not children. The thought of that actually makes me laugh. Children are pure and unfiltered self-interest. Adults often are too, but at least they grapple with moral dilemmas when acting selfishly. IP: Logged |
Aquacheeka
Knowflake Posts: 1459
From: Toronto
Registered: Mar 2012
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posted May 18, 2012 08:46 AM
For what it's worth, my dad was the CFO of a Fortune 500 company at the height of his career. He worked overseas so that I spent my childhood summers in Geneva Switzerland, Frankfurt Germany, and finally (when he switched companies after 22 years), in Connecticut. It was fabulous getting to travel all over Europe but it also meant that my dad was absent for the day-to-day stuff. He was too busy making money to enjoy life, let alone to serve. He was offered a $1,000,000 salary to switch companies when he became eligible for retirement, and he declined. Became a minister instead. They offered him 2mil. He declined. He actually took off his $30,000 Rolex watch and handed it to this suicidal teenager so that kid would have tangible evidence that someone cares about him in the world and that he shouldn't kill himself. (He's also spoken to a gang member and gotten him to reform his life. He talks; people listen. His voice and manner are soothing). Today he lives on a mediocre pension and devotes his time to writing sermons (disagree) and helping people (agree). (Also disagree with helping people in exchange for their willingness to adopt your religion, but that's a topic for another day). I know too well that money is meaningless. Travelling was nice, but I would rather have had my dad around everyday like other kids.So all in all, I agree with the people saying you can't take money with you. I've been a privileged kid; I've been homeless. At the end of the day, having enough to get by and loving, meaningful relationships are the most important thing. Believe that. IP: Logged |
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