posted May 30, 2012 02:30 PM            

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Originally posted by YoursTrulyAlways:
Faith,

It was in the cards for over a decade at that point. Well we're on the verge of yet another one aren't we? Netanyahu is going to act whether we like it or not, and we're going to follow suit. The offset is simply to yield strategic hegemonic power. And when we do that, China will be all over South-East Asia. I predict the "standoff" with the Philippines wouldn't be much of a standoff when China is ready to steamroll.

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I've been slacking off, trying to follow what's really going on. I know how critical Israel is, how much power they wield within the US (and that is NOT an anti-semitic remark, I am just stating a fact), and how much they steer and profit from what I call the War Machine.

US war with China looks imminent when I read stuff like this: http://www.state.gov/secretary/rm/2011/10/175215.htm

Again...this has nothing to do with terrorism. Neoconservative Republicans who support the war on terror will have to finally face the fact that it's not about terror, if the war moves to the Pacific. And will they still think it is morally justifiable to go to war for resources, or as part of a "race" to win global hegemony?

Global government seems inevitable, and the brutality and greed involved sickens me.

But thanks for the conversation.

posted May 30, 2012 04:27 PM            

Israel's bombing of Iranian nuclear facilities is almost a forgone conclusion. In such an event, Iran will close the Straits of Hormuz, and that is when the US will be forced Iinto war to protect strategic petroleum interests.

posted May 30, 2012 06:46 PM            

If China is militarily superior to the US, and I have my doubts about how they could be technologically better equipped at this point, why is it putting up with our cr*p, still lending us something like $2 billion a day? Is it because other countries have a vested interest in seeing the dollar prevail, and will back us against China? Will China fall too far if it loses the US market?

I wonder if China, Russia, and maybe Iran will join forces against the United States.

posted May 30, 2012 08:10 PM            

Hilary Clinton speaks wise words, but out of panic. It's good that the Asian economies are in a doldrum vs the US. I hate to envision sustained double digit growth in China with stagnation in the US.

Indeed. It costs about $250 BN in annualized interest payments on debt service, which means about $800 MM a day, of which easily $300 MM is owed to the Chinese. A day. That's probably why they are hesitant to take any military action. You don't attack the guy who owes you big money, except to break a finger once in a while.

posted May 30, 2012 10:11 PM            

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I wonder if China, Russia, and maybe Iran will join forces against the United States.

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posted May 31, 2012 07:54 AM            

Thanks for the debt link. I am better acquainted with less formal delineations of our debt problem: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SOji3_IUl4Y

Military strategy is beyond my understanding..."I'm not a smart woman, but I do know what nuclear holocaust is." In other words, when I consider troop numbers against technology, it seems no contest, the superior technology will prevail, assuming hearts are cold enough and political conditions favorable enough to fight with only "victory" in mind.

But at this point it seems the US and China are just playing an expensive game of showing each other how they can mutually destroy each other.

posted May 31, 2012 04:45 PM            

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The US was only built as a temporary power...

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posted June 01, 2012 08:14 AM            

Kannon's banner is gone, I sure hope he isn't because this
is some damn fine posting.

Kannon:

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I'm probably a good example for breaking up any stereotypes or oversimplifications in any conclusions you may have reached.
My politics has changed almost by complete reversal since I first started voting 24 years ago: from very conservative/libertarian with a very anti-government sentiment, friendly to Ronald Reagan to a highly progressive visionary Communitarian friendly to Barack Obama.

Obviously you can see the personal caution, thus conservative tendencies, innate in my birth chart, but I have become what some would term 'ultra-liberal' - with the important exception that I am local-centric as many conservatives claim to be.

Started voting age:
Registered Republican, voted for Pat Buchanan in 1988 primaries. Moral majority religious conservative, anti-abortion, anti-tax, anti-drug, anti-gay, anti-liberal; inheritor of the racial prejudice inherent in the conservative politics of those around me; untested believer in capitalism; and unwitting supporter of policies of American exceptionalist attitudes in U.S. foreign policy. Closed- & simple-minded and naive.

Now (age 42):
Registered Democrat, voted for Obama and will again. Progressive. Communitarian: local-centric; taxes are how we fund a civilized society; anti-authoritarian; anti-pollution; against the 'drug war'; for marriage equality and adoption rights for homosexual couples; for the principle of affirmative action; for reparations and return of lands to autonomous Native Peoples; for ecological accountability in industry; capitalism is nearly as unbalanced as communism; greed is the national vice. Complex, subtle, creative, in constant dialogue and development.

The arc of a person's political development is a reflection of their personal growth potential and actualization. Potential is greatest when there is a long-term basis of experience of life on earth (past lives, old soul). Actualization has to do with how your spiritual development has come along and how you allow this to form your politics. Long-term fixed attitudes are evidence of no growth in your understanding of society.

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we share many astro placements~ birds of a feather.

I registered Independent. I moved recently and upon filling out a new voter reg. noticed Independent was not an option WTH?? Green is on there but not independent. this might be worth a call to my local gov to see what is up.

posted June 01, 2012 11:50 AM            

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Originally posted by Nine:
Are you serious??

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A few hundred years is half a blink of the eye in the span of humanity as a whole.

America is deliberately being brought to its knees by people who claim NO allegiance to any one nation. I know in the context of one single life time, yes, it seems America has been a super power for what seems like an eternity. But no, it is merely temporary, as hard as it seems to comprehend.