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sand
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posted May 15, 2012 03:01 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for sand     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
i am more just don't fuq with my money.

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posted May 15, 2012 04:02 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for iQ     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Ultra Liberal Humanitarian in all policies but in economics I prefer Free Market Capitalism with complete abolition of compound interest.
I believe that subsidies are an insult to the Human Spirit of any able bodied person.

I believe all Souls are Equal thus nobody has any moral right to be authoritative over another human being in any part of the world.
Knowledge of Karma combined with Consensus, Empathy and a little bit of sacrifice are the only way forward for any Nation or even Civilization for that matter.

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RegardesPlatero
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posted May 15, 2012 06:17 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for RegardesPlatero     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I'm pretty liberal for the most part. However, I really am not into extremism. I used to be more political when I was younger, but, while still on the same side, I've mellowed out in how intense I feel and how I express political views, for the most part. Some issues still are 'touchy' for me, but I'm mostly civil on other things.

I don't really know what in a chart points to political views. I've actually known a lot of conservative Geminis, which is strange because that's the last sign that I'd think would be conservative. I've also known a lot of Capricorn liberals, though most of the Cappie liberals that I know are also atheist, so there could be a connection: most atheists that I know are liberals, though not all. I know a few moderates, too, who are atheist.

Libras that I know tend to be liberal, but I did know one very conservative Libra. However, she was seldom obnoxious about her views: I only recall one time when she got really irritating about an issue, but that was a once-in-a-blue-moon thing.

A lot of Virgos that I know are moderate and liberal.

Most Sags that I know are liberals. I only can think of one who's conservative, but that one is married to a very strong liberal, and has been starting to lean that way.

I haven't seen a strong sway either way with other signs; people that I know of other signs are pretty evenly split.

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Lazyscarecrow
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posted May 15, 2012 08:58 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lazyscarecrow     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
ASC Sagittarius
Mercury in the 9th
Jupiter in the 9th
Jupiter trine Uranus/Neptune
Using the equal house system, my Venus is in the 9th
No planets in the 11th house. Just Libra.

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Aquacheeka
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posted May 15, 2012 09:10 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Aquacheeka     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Lonake:

^ Don't know exactly how to read that but am registered Independent, formerly Democrat, formerly Green Party, so have become more conservative over the yrs. Or more practical perhaps. In favor of giving more power to the states. The fed govt spends recklessly and on the wrong projects, but those specific projects that I am against funding so haphazardly are housed both on the liberal and conservative sides of the street. Lean liberal on social issues, gay marriage rights, drug/adult prostitution legalization. The govt needs to fix its own problems first before becoming concerned with affairs of other countries. The govt is bloated and run inefficiently at all levels; am angered with simple bureaucrats as much as with those who hold higher offices. There are systems that need to be overhauled; of those I care most about the criminal justice system, after that, education. Pisces/Capricorn/Leo. Nothing in H9/H10/H11. Dominant sign, Libra - Dominant planet, Pluto. Mercury in Aquarius.


Wow, Lonake. You're the closest to me on the spectrum test... lol. I'm just a little further to the left, right in the middle of that line.

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Kannon McAfee
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posted May 15, 2012 10:03 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Kannon McAfee     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I'm probably a good example for breaking up any stereotypes or oversimplifications in any conclusions you may have reached.

My politics has changed almost by complete reversal since I first started voting 24 years ago: from very conservative/libertarian with a very anti-government sentiment, friendly to Ronald Reagan to a highly progressive visionary Communitarian friendly to Barack Obama.

Obviously you can see the personal caution, thus conservative tendencies, innate in my birth chart, but I have become what some would term 'ultra-liberal' - with the important exception that I am local-centric as many conservatives claim to be.

Started voting age:
Registered Republican, voted for Pat Buchanan in 1988 primaries. Moral majority religious conservative, anti-abortion, anti-tax, anti-drug, anti-gay, anti-liberal; inheritor of the racial prejudice inherent in the conservative politics of those around me; untested believer in capitalism; and unwitting supporter of policies of American exceptionalist attitudes in U.S. foreign policy. Closed- & simple-minded and naive.

Now (age 42):
Registered Democrat, voted for Obama and will again. Progressive. Communitarian: local-centric; taxes are how we fund a civilized society; anti-authoritarian; anti-pollution; against the 'drug war'; for marriage equality and adoption rights for homosexual couples; for the principle of affirmative action; for reparations and return of lands to autonomous Native Peoples; for ecological accountability in industry; capitalism is nearly as unbalanced as communism; greed is the national vice. Complex, subtle, creative, in constant dialogue and development.

The arc of a person's political development is a reflection of their personal growth potential and actualization. Potential is greatest when there is a long-term basis of experience of life on earth (past lives, old soul). Actualization has to do with how your spiritual development has come along and how you allow this to form your politics. Long-term fixed attitudes are evidence of no growth in your understanding of society.


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amowls**
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posted May 15, 2012 11:35 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for amowls**     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I think I'm seeing a correlation between Aqua/Sag energies and liberalism.

As a teenager I dabbled in libertarianism but they were too anti abortion/anti feminism for my tastes. I still love John Stuart Mill.

Although it should be noted that Sarah Palin has a huge Aqua stellium with Uranus opposing Sun so. BUT she is hugely afraid of authoritarianism.

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ghanima81
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posted May 15, 2012 11:39 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for ghanima81     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Somebody else mentioned (Spool and YTA, I believe) how geographical location and how one was raised as having a large part to do with one's political leanings. I have been thinking of that and how Aquarian energies would play with that. Although obviously, the humanitarian aspect has a heavy hand in it (i.e. more liberal) Aquarians are also contrary, so if one were raised by strong liberals or were around liberal ideas, they could have a tendency to go the other way, and vice versa. Just a thought.

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posted May 15, 2012 11:48 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for amowls**     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by SpooL:
I would rather be interested in seeing the Geographical breakdown of all the users on lindaland. Geographical breakdown would be a more accurate and better assumption.

Each region has a "poltical set value" it doesn't matter what polices or views the party is, there is an established value in that region.

I'd love to compare natal charts of different places and when they were established, then do a composite chart of the region and the people that live there.

Wouldn't a chart for Detroit, indicate economic hardships? then wouldn't obstacles be indicated in some of the natal charts of some of the residents living in Detroit?, because of the hardship there would be more of a tendency to vote to the left.

I don't mean to put Detroit down for anyone that lives there, its just being used as an example.


Detroit wasn't always sh*tty though. One would have to look at solar arcs.

I live in Richmond VA and am very very liberal lol (so are my friends). There are a lot of anarchists here because the culture of the city is very DIY, which also attracts oogles, most of whom identify as anarchist, despite it being the historic capitol of the Confederacy. Rebellion is an underlying theme here, I think.

I just looked at the chart for Richmond and it's Sag rising with Jupiter in the 11th

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amowls**
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posted May 15, 2012 11:49 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for amowls**     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by ghanima81:
Somebody else mentioned (Spool and YTA, I believe) how geographical location and how one was raised as having a large part to do with one's political leanings. I have been thinking of that and how Aquarian energies would play with that. Although obviously, the humanitarian aspect has a heavy hand in it (i.e. more liberal) Aquarians are also contrary, so if one were raised by strong liberals or were around liberal ideas, they could have a tendency to go the other way, and vice versa. Just a thought.

Like my dad. Raised super liberal, ended up conservative. Or like me, raised conservative by my parents, ended up super liberal.

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inthemisosoup
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posted May 15, 2012 12:33 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for inthemisosoup     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Here's me:

Here's my chart:

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posted May 15, 2012 05:17 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Desiring Shadows     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

Chart: http://i48.tinypic.com/2wodp3b.jpg
Disregard the progressed chart/transits. (Those are old)
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posted May 15, 2012 06:47 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Thefish     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
9th house, uranus, saturn, and the respective aspects to the 9th house planets, 9th house ruler, uranus, and saturn.

9th house planets = uranus (retrograde) means I'm about going against the grain.
My 9th house ruler is libra which means that I'm all about fairness.

Sun trine uranus orb less than 1 degree
Uranus trine saturn massive orb however so the effect is severly muted.

Also have wide orb squares from mars and mercury.

My venus (2nd house) is wide orb opposition to pluto conjunction to jupiter and jupiter is tight org sextile to mars.

What does it all mean?

I have against the grain political views with my most passioante view regarding 2nd house issues relating to security home finances etc and I'm interested in economics of politics that best resolves the issues for the greatest number of people.

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YoursTrulyAlways
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posted May 15, 2012 06:51 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for YoursTrulyAlways     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I didn't say it depends on geographical location. I work in ultra liberal New York City, and even the affluent suburbs are decidedly Democratic.

I'm an ultra conservative. I'm pro business, pro trade, pro markets and pro prosperity.

I'm not a Republican and I despise the Republican party. They are nothing but tax, regulate and spend. I don't like Mitt, and I didn't vote for McCain or Bush 43 or Bush 41, even though I did participate in a few fund raising events. Those guys are far too liberal for me.

I saw eye to eye with Bill Clinton on certain matters, but he couldn't convince me to give him my vote either. Never mind BHO, even though he was my college classmate (two years ahead)

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posted May 15, 2012 07:10 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Faith     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
My political views:

1) Most of what we hear about what is going on in the government is spin and lies.

^ That is my 3H Pluto speaking.

2) What's actually happening is, America is entering a phase of increasing tyranny as the military-industrial-surveillance complex encompasses America as a battleground, and we move further into the New American Century. 30,000 drones over America by 2020, possibility of re-education camps, TSA VIPR teams on the road already in several states, pulling cars over and frisking passengers like the Nazis did. This is in addition to what the US military and paramilitary forces are doing to innocent people in other countries.

^ 8H Pisces moon is ruling my 12H; attuned to grim realities.

3) With that being said my top wish would be, that people might turn off the television and become truly educated (as opposed to indoctrinated by a controlled media) before we get any further into this nightmare empire.

4) Obama and Romney are like the same person in two bodies: they both want endless war, and their social agenda is almost identical. The left/right paradigm is like a sports game deliberately played up by the media to keep people infighting and ignorant of what is actually going on.

I don't mean to offend anybody. My viewpoint is the product of extensive reading in politics and current affairs.

^ Cap sun, Aquarius Mercury


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posted May 15, 2012 07:11 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for RegardesPlatero     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by amowls**:
I think I'm seeing a correlation between Aqua/Sag energies and liberalism.

As a teenager I dabbled in libertarianism but they were too anti abortion/anti feminism for my tastes. I still love John Stuart Mill.

Although it should be noted that Sarah Palin has a huge Aqua stellium with Uranus opposing Sun so. BUT she is hugely afraid of authoritarianism.


I don't have any Aqua planets, but I do have Sag rising.

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posted May 15, 2012 07:12 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for gemisagscorp     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
mercury conjnct chriron in gemni oppsed uranus conjunct my asc in sagg and jupiter 1st is in cap... I dont vote, dont fit in a box... I loose interest in politic as I get older, I believe in a higher form and politics is a nasty sportsgame getting out of controll. They do not take it as seriously as they should.

I am not an american, btw

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posted May 15, 2012 09:34 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Nine     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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2) What's actually happening is, America is entering a phase of increasing tyranny as the military-industrial-surveillance complex encompasses America as a battleground, and we move further into the New American Century.

I agree, it's all theater. Do you really think they'll be another American Century, though?

I wonder if all this has to do with Pluto's transit of Capricorn. Sometimes I think Pluto's downgrade was a geopolitical maneuver. The USA is Cancer, and with a powerful energy source like Pluto in "enemy territory" things could've gotten rough. So, downgrade Pluto. This lessens its significance and power, where it counts, in the minds of people. hmmmm???

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posted May 16, 2012 02:39 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for PixieJane     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I can point to life experiences and even childhood inspirations that I believed shaped a lot of my political views in the years to come, but I can see where astrology played a part. Back when I was a lot more hopeful that ideology could change and transform human society my Leo ascendant inspired me to promote it as a zealot even when it was a bad idea and I had to learn to overcome that (which a few other traits, such as my Libra sun, helped with, though my Sag placements probably exacerbated).

Saturn in Libra has probably made me inclined to look up to certain ideals and demand others do as well, any authority only legite if it lived up to such ideals (previous life experiences, as well as other planets, probably kept this from being a strong respect for authority itself as I wasn't trusting of authority or the dogma of tradition that refuses to adapt & evolve, which my Libran Pluto and Sag Uranus no doubt influenced as well, and ETA: something I read about my Chiron would also apply, though I can't recall what it was offhand). Mars in Sag encouraged me to be the change I wanted to see (which is muted now that I'm not so political anymore). Uranus in Sag helped me to embrace radical political (as well as religious, philosophical, etc) theories as I used to do (and it's not that I've since rejected those radical concepts as much as I'm more well rounded, Saturn in Libra probably reigns me in a little, and perhaps it's my Sag & Libra placements that inspire me to try to keep my mind free from any limiting ideology). Neptune in Sag makes me comfortable with the "global village" (not that I necessarily think of the said global village as many others do, that is I may have a very different idea by what I mean by that than what you think I do). I understand my Pluto in Libra is what makes me very sympathetic towards unconventional marriage (such as gay) and lifestyle choices (such as polyamory) and want there to be the liberty to seek such happiness as people look for (the only limitation I have for it is to restrict this to people who can legally sign a contract, which is to say his or her choices should be legally respected when said person enters into a consensual--but not coerced--relationship with someone else also legally able to sign a contract, which cuts out pedophilia, bestiality, necrophilia, etc).

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posted May 16, 2012 09:15 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Pure     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Faith:
3) With that being said my top wish would be, that people might turn off the television and become truly educated (as opposed to indoctrinated by a controlled media) before we get any further into this nightmare empire.

I agree completely! I feel sorry for my generation and future generations to come because there so much technology already about and more being created. Our televisions and smartphones work as a distraction to stop us from seeing what is actually going on in the world.

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posted May 16, 2012 01:25 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for SpooL     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The reason why I was linking Geography and Poltics is because its the people that make up the towns/viliages
and its permenant residents in those towns/viliages that determine the values, ideas and poltics.

A villiage/town/city is a reflection of the people that live there and there culture, values and politics.

If I may recall there was an old phrase at one time called "all artists move to pairs", obviously the politics would revolve around
it and how the artists think.

Now, a resident may live there for employment reasons, but not fully agree with the politics of the location.
Once there employment is completed that resident may leave.

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Originally posted by YoursTrulyAlways:
I didn't say it depends on geographical location. I work in ultra liberal New York City, and even the affluent suburbs are decidedly Democratic.

I gather you work in the financial sector or in a related field. My question for you is if not for employment reasons would you actually stay there?

Sticking with the topic I have strong earth in my chart, so I will hold on to what I have learned when it comes to politics.

I know John Wayne was a Gemini with some strong Taurus in his chart and he was resistant to social change, some people have called him even racist.

With that said I would be cautious of a right wing extremist with strong Taurus or a Pisces that is passionate of there set ways.

Thankful, I was raised in the middle of left and right.

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Gemini Sun, 5th House
Aries Moon
Mercury in Gemini
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posted May 16, 2012 01:30 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ariesdragon     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
^^Taurus isn't born racist so he must have learned it somewhere & it "stuck" I love Taurus

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posted May 16, 2012 01:33 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for SpooL     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by ariesdragon:
^^Taurus isn't born racist so he must have learned it somewhere & it "stuck" I love Taurus

No one is born racist, but people can be taught to be that way. A child is Innocent the first day there born.

He was taught, I hope there wasn't any misunderstanding?

I'm not a big fan of Air/Earth combos sometimes.

It creates a bad mix sometimes. You'll have someone who is tenacious because of the earth and the air that fuels that thinking.

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posted May 16, 2012 01:37 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ariesdragon     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Air/Earth is good as long as it's balanced
It's too bad that he was taught negativity.... A child learns most between 0-6yrs old.

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posted May 16, 2012 01:38 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for mockingbird     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Pure:
I agree completely! I feel sorry for my generation and future generations to come because there so much technology already about and more being created. Our televisions and smartphones work as a distraction to stop us from seeing what is actually going on in the world.

They're our bread and circuses.

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