posted June 20, 2012 12:57 AM            

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For God's sake people, have you ever studied other's charts? Celebrities with empty houses? People with karmic planets in 7th house? Tesla had an empty 7th house. HE NEVER GOT MARRIED. Chopin had a karmic Pluto in his 7th house. He loved George Sand but she married someone else. Pluto is TRAGIC and extremist. Chopin chose to mourn his loss by never marry.

Seriously now. I don't want to offence anyone but if you are unwilling to pay attention and to have an open mind you will never be able to learn and UNDERSTAND astrology.[/B]

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I think its pretty clear all of us here have open minds.Obviously on an astrology forum studying and observing charts/aspects/transits.Also I read that having empty houses is not karmic.It just means that part of your life wont be a major focus.And the house is not really empty,just look at the sign on the cusp for a better understanding how the energy plays out.

posted June 20, 2012 01:07 AM            

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posted June 20, 2012 02:07 AM            

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Originally posted by Rosalind:
You need PLANETARY ENERGY in order to activate that house. Otherwise, yes, the thing is DENIED.

For God's sake people, have you ever studied other's charts? Celebrities with empty houses? People with karmic planets in 7th house? Tesla had an empty 7th house. HE NEVER GOT MARRIED. Chopin had a karmic Pluto in his 7th house. He loved George Sand but she married someone else. Pluto is TRAGIC and extremist. Chopin chose to mourn his loss by never marry.

Seriously now. I don't want to offence anyone but if you are unwilling to pay attention and to have an open mind you will never be able to learn and UNDERSTAND astrology.

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I'm sorry but this just isn't true. An empty house isn't significant at all.

I have a jam packed 7th house and I've never been married and never will. I'm not even focused on relationships. According to this myth in astrology that everyone throws around I should've been married at least once.

It's way more complicated than tenanted houses.

posted June 20, 2012 02:20 AM            

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Originally posted by Diana:
I'm sorry but this just isn't true. An empty house isn't significant at all.

I have a jam packed 7th house and I've never been married and never will. I'm not even focused on relationships. According to this myth in astrology that everyone throws around I should've been married at least once.

It's way more complicated than tenanted houses.

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You forgot to mention many other things than can make the chart INDIVIDUALISTIC and not generalistic as you plained it. You may have a packed 7th house and never married because the axis is bad apected, because you need first to learn your karmic lessons and because planets are not the good ones. Benefic planets can also become malefic in certain situations. Also you forgot what I said before and will always say: FREE WILL.

posted June 20, 2012 03:08 AM            

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Originally posted by Rosalind:
You forgot to mention many other things than can make the chart INDIVIDUALISTIC and not generalistic as you plained it. You may have a packed 7th house and never married because the axis is bad apected, because you need first to learn your karmic lessons and because planets are not the good ones. Benefic planets can also become malefic in certain situations. Also you forgot what I said before and will always say: FREE WILL.

But of course, as always, people around here choose to read and interpret things as they wish.

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posted June 20, 2012 03:11 AM            

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Originally posted by Diana:

You just completely slammed your own theory about an empty house and marriage.

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posted June 20, 2012 03:12 AM            

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Originally posted by Rosalind:
No fire up. I use to write some words in CAPITAL letters to be understood better.

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Rosalind, not trying to be rude, but capital letters come off as very aggressive. It's considered yelling online (according to computer etiquette).

You can make words italicized or bold on here for emphasis: to make a word italicized, you put an i in brackets, type the word, and then put /i in brackets. To make it bold, you put a b in brackets, type the word, and then put a /b in brackets.

posted June 20, 2012 03:14 AM            

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Originally posted by Rosalind:
I can say the same thing about you.

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posted June 20, 2012 03:28 AM            

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Originally posted by Diana:
No you can't. I said it was more complicated than tenanted houses.

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posted June 20, 2012 03:39 AM            

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Originally posted by Odette:
That's heartbreaking.
I really thought they'd be together till old age.

So Sad

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posted June 20, 2012 04:02 AM            

He also in long time before got an T neptun in square to his venus. T Chiron also been in square....It takes time to really split a bad relationship.

His PR/SA Sun now in leo and a new phase in his life.
Also SA venus conj mercury in trine to his N neptun

posted June 20, 2012 04:18 AM            

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And who are you, lovely Diana, to tell me what to say or not? Astrology is never complicated. Its seems complicated for those who dont want to learn. Just as life.

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You're trying to teach people (your words more or less) about astrology and you're making sweeping generalizations that if the 7th house is empty that they'll never get married. Or if they have pluto there, they'll never get married. Surely you had to expect some backlash from that statement. Especially because it's not even true.

posted June 20, 2012 04:25 AM            

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Originally posted by Rosalind:
You need PLANETARY ENERGY in order to activate that house. Otherwise, yes, the thing is DENIED.

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That`s not true. Not in every case at least.
And definitely not as a principle WITHOUT taking into account what the ruler of the 7th house is doing.

Neither of my parents has planets in the 7th house natally, and they donīt even have synastric 7th house overlays, but have been married for 38 years this year.
my friend hasnīt 7th house placements either, and is married nevertheless (her husband has Saturn in 7th house).

Astrology may not be overly complicated, but it is not simplistic either.

posted June 20, 2012 04:27 AM            

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Originally posted by Diana:
You're trying to teach people (your words more or less) about astrology and you're making sweeping generalizations that if the 7th house is empty that they'll never get married. Or if they have pluto there, they'll never get married. Surely you had to expect some backlash from that statement. Especially because it's not even true.

PS- Astrology is very complicated. There's always something more to learn and to read a chart properly is very difficult because there's so many nuances. Even the most advanced astrologers are constantly finding another layer of the onion to peel away, well, they are if they're any good anyway.

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posted June 20, 2012 04:28 AM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:

That`s not true. Not in every case at least.
And definitely not as a principle WITHOUT taking into account what the ruler of the 7th house is doing.

Neither of my parents has planets in the 7th house natally, and they donīt even have synastric 7th house overlays, but have been married for 38 years this year.
my friend hasnīt 7th house placements either, and is married nevertheless (her husband has Saturn in 7th house).

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posted June 20, 2012 04:41 AM            

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[QUOTE]Originally posted by Diana:
[b] You're trying to teach people (your words more or less) about astrology and you're making sweeping generalizations that if the 7th house is empty that they'll never get married. Or if they have pluto there, they'll never get married. Surely you had to expect some backlash from that statement. Especially because it's not even true.

PS- Astrology is very complicated. There's always something more to learn and to read a chart properly is very difficult because there's so many nuances. Even the most advanced astrologers are constantly finding another layer of the onion to peel away, well, they are if they're any good anyway.

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You never said that. You said you need planetary energy to have it or it's denied (paraphrasing). I'll leave your post so you can point out to me where you said that because I don't see it.

Don't blame me and others if we didn't know what you meant if you didn't write it in your posts on this thread. I'm not inside your head. I just responded to the post you made.

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Originally posted by Rosalind:
You need PLANETARY ENERGY in order to activate that house. Otherwise, yes, the thing is DENIED.
For God's sake people, have you ever studied other's charts? Celebrities with empty houses? People with karmic planets in 7th house? Tesla had an empty 7th house. HE NEVER GOT MARRIED. Chopin had a karmic Pluto in his 7th house. He loved George Sand but she married someone else. Pluto is TRAGIC and extremist. Chopin chose to mourn his loss by never marry.

posted June 20, 2012 04:42 AM            

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Originally posted by popcorn:
Rosalind.What do you think split Johnny Depp and Vanessa?. What do you see in the transit and progressed chart?

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posted June 20, 2012 04:44 AM            

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What Johnny and Vanessa had was a KARMIC relationship. Since the very first moment I saw their charts i knew it wouldnt last. Karmic relationships are intense and seems forever but in fact in the end after karma is burned nothing remains left. Karma has nothing to do with Hollywood. They could have stayed together a century. Years does not matter. Karma lesson does.
Johnny has a lot of indicators in his chart pointing a problematic personal life. He got Saturn in his 7th house. He married once and got divorced after three years. His partnership karma is BURNED and the energy is gone. He doesnt have a focus there anymore. Marriage is DENIED for him. He will NEVER get married again. A live together life yes. Marriage no. Saturn is karmic and hits hard. Most of the time Saturn can act like a empty 7th house. Look at George Clooney. He got an empty 7th house. He married once, he got divorced and he never married again. Never mess with and empty 7th house and karmic planets there.

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posted June 20, 2012 04:47 AM            

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I see a lot of things beyond an astrological chart. For example... Johnny was the one who came up with the idea of split. Vanessa didnt have any choice but accept the reality. Another thing I see is that Johnny is a man of compromises and he worked hard in this relationship. Despite being a Gemini he isnt a double faced man. He struggled a lot but in the end he realized that his struggle was in vain. Every thing that begins also ends. He is a very mature person who beyond everything wanted to be happy and to have a harmonic and peaceful life. things between him and Vanessa started to squeak ( I hope this is a correct word). I saw sadness and dissatisfaction in his eyes a long time ago. Despite this sadness I saw also hope. He wanted to see things working at least for his children. But the love simply vanished.

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Maybe they need a paus...its not easy to break the glue which builds up on many year togheter. The tie between these two seems to me be strong.

posted June 20, 2012 04:59 AM            

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That post is still saying an empty 7th house is a bad thing in reference to relationships and I don't agree. I think it's much more complicated than that. Plenty of married people have empty 7th houses.

If you mean it some other way I'm just not getting what you're trying to say.

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Then I suggest you to ignore my posts from now on. Clearly, you cannot understand anything I say.

posted June 20, 2012 05:28 AM            

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Originally posted by Diana:
You're trying to teach people (your words more or less) about astrology and you're making sweeping generalizations that if the 7th house is empty that they'll never get married. Or if they have pluto there, they'll never get married. Surely you had to expect some backlash from that statement. Especially because it's not even true.

PS- Astrology is very complicated. There's always something more to learn and to read a chart properly is very difficult because there's so many nuances. Even the most advanced astrologers are constantly finding another layer of the onion to peel away, well, they are if they're any good anyway.

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I agree.

I honestly don't believe that there is one single correct way to approach astrology and that all others are wrong. I might personally feel strongly about something, but even if I do disagree with another approach and find it inaccurate, who am I to say that others can't disagree with me?

I mean, there are very basic things that most people would agree on, but others are open to interpretation. I think that it's good to share different ideas and explore them rather than the "one sole truth" approach.