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Topic: Johnny Depp & Vanessa Paradis Split
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Diana
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posted June 20, 2012 05:30 AM
  
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Originally posted by Rosalind:
Then I suggest you to ignore my posts from now on. Clearly, you cannot understand anything I say.
Clearly you are extremely rude. Nothing in your post explains it deeper. Others are having the same exact view of it, so you're not communicating it clearly and you refuse to do so. I don't want to continue with this since you're being very rude to me even after I was doing my best to let you explain it deeper.
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VenusDiSirius
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posted June 20, 2012 05:37 AM
Thanks for the responses,guys  Much appreciated! IP: Logged |
VenusDiSirius
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posted June 20, 2012 05:45 AM
Karmic or not Rosalind you still can point out some astro data...!This could be very nice discussion regarding H7 in general. Diana,no tob for Vanessa,so I didn't want to elaborate on composite,but tNep is over cVenus. Lonake,cool,as ever RAS,I agree,composite isn't much,synastry is better. IP: Logged |
Ceridwen
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posted June 20, 2012 05:48 AM
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Originally posted by Rosalind:
Ceridwen, planetary energy comes from TRANSITS, PROGRESSIONS and any other predictive phase.
Yes. it`s not as simple as seeing an empty house in a natal chart; you have to check some more things like transits, progressions etc.
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Rosalind
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posted June 20, 2012 05:50 AM
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Originally posted by Diana:
Clearly you are extremely rude. Nothing in your post explains it deeper. Others are having the same exact view of it, so you're not communicating it clearly and you refuse to do so. I don't want to continue with this since you're being very rude to me even after I was doing my best to let you explain it deeper.
I didnt start it, you know. IP: Logged |
Rosalind
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posted June 20, 2012 05:54 AM
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Originally posted by VenusDiSirius:
Karmic or not Rosalind you still can point out some astro data...!This could be very nice discussion regarding H7 in general. Diana,no tob for Vanessa,so I didn't want to elaborate on composite,but tNep is over cVenus. Lonake,cool,as ever RAS,I agree,composite isn't much,synastry is better.
Regarding Johnny I said already. Post the Composite chart and I will do the interpretation. IP: Logged |
VenusDiSirius
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posted June 20, 2012 06:13 AM
No TOB for Vanessa  IP: Logged |
Aquacheeka
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posted June 20, 2012 06:59 AM
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Originally posted by Rosalind:
What Johnny and Vanessa had was a KARMIC relationship. Since the very first moment I saw their charts i knew it wouldnt last. Karmic relationships are intense and seems forever but in fact in the end after karma is burned nothing remains left. Karma has nothing to do with Hollywood. They could have stayed together a century. Years does not matter. Karma lesson does.
Johnny has a lot of indicators in his chart pointing a problematic personal life. He got Saturn in his 7th house. He married once and got divorced after three years. His partnership karma is BURNED and the energy is gone. He doesnt have a focus there anymore. Marriage is DENIED for him. He will NEVER get married again. A live together life yes. Marriage no. Saturn is karmic and hits hard. Most of the time Saturn can act like a empty 7th house. Look at George Clooney. He got an empty 7th house. He married once, he got divorced and he never married again. Never mess with and empty 7th house and karmic planets there.
Wow. That freaks me out. I have Saturn in the 7th with my boyfriend and an empty 7th with the other guy that likes me. Might you be telling me that neither is the one? IP: Logged |
popcorn
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posted June 20, 2012 07:04 AM
Karmic relationship. saturn con SN. Saturn quink pluto. Saturn opp moon. NN conj moon. Yes, longlasting..but.. they also have an break off aspect like chiron opp uranusIP: Logged |
Rosalind
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posted June 20, 2012 07:21 AM
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Originally posted by VenusDiSirius:
[b]No TOB for Vanessa [/B]
Without TOB cannot do the interpretation. IP: Logged |
VenusDiSirius
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posted June 20, 2012 08:27 AM
Ignore the Asc and Moon.IP: Logged |
Rosalind
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posted June 20, 2012 08:34 AM
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Originally posted by VenusDiSirius:
Ignore the Asc and Moon.
As an astrologer you should know that nothing on the chart can be ignored. IP: Logged |
VenusDiSirius
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posted June 20, 2012 09:01 AM
Humour me,just this time  IP: Logged |
LuvinU
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posted June 20, 2012 11:34 AM
VenusDiSirius, thanks for the composite/transits you posted. Quick glance and I see some 'what we valued of our partnership is no longer a priority' things going on, some career goals and 'face-value' connections going on here as well. I want to say this could also be a matter of attention to 'our privacy being an inconvenience' for them especially in the work sector. Reinvention is desired.IP: Logged |
VenusDiSirius
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posted June 20, 2012 11:43 AM
 Agreed. I think that they have been working on the issues for some time and that this is the moment of realising that they can't moved forward,a breaking point. IP: Logged |
amowls**
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posted June 20, 2012 12:33 PM
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Originally posted by Rosalind:
You need PLANETARY ENERGY in order to activate that house. Otherwise, yes, the thing is DENIED.For God's sake people, have you ever studied other's charts? Celebrities with empty houses?
My mother has been married to my father for 30 years, she has an empty 7th house. Kate Middleton & Joanne Woodward have an empty 7th. In fact, I would wager that a significant number of people with long term marriages have empty 7th houses. If you have an empty house, you look to the house ruler to see the condition of said house. All an empty house means is that it's not a focus in this lifetime. It doesn't DENY people. IP: Logged |
Ceridwen
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posted June 20, 2012 12:58 PM
His progressions/ transits:
------------------------------pr Moon conjunct IC, squaring pr Sun
the uranus_Mars-conjunctions has come into exactness; hit by the transiting Neptune-NN-square
Tr Saturn also squares pr Venus-pr NN her progressions/ transits
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pr Venus conjunct pr Jupiter,
square pr Uranus
opposite n Moon
plus Tr Saturn conjunct Uranus, square MOon and square pr Venus-Jupiter
also Tr Uranus opposite Pluto
Tr Neptune square Venus-Neptune-conjunction synastric progressions:
------------------------- pr Sun trine Venus exact
- as per Westrans research this is one of the most frequent "relationship-triggers". The fact that it is exact, means that it has reached its peak and is fading away (I checked for the progressions last month); the fact that it is fading might mean that they feel that there really is nothing left to agree on relationship-wise.
- pr Venus opposite Venus (2s)
this is already out of orb, and indicates experiences of the past 2 years.
In the beginning of a relationship oppositions often signify great magnetism and attraction (though more if it is Yin-Yang), but in a longer lasting relationship they often signify the time when a separation becomes possible or even likely. At least there was a distinct disagreement in tastes, values and what each expected from the relationship.
- pr Venus square Uranus (2 s) AND pr URanus square Venus exact.
That doesn`t bode well at all. extreme relational instability and each wanting to do "their thing". It might be exciting and thrilling, if you fall in love, but if you try to live a relationship together a DW of enus-uranus-square can be nervewracking.
Which might have grated on her nerves more than his, as he was used to it with his Mars-uranus-aspect in natal.
How interesting that his Mars-Uranus-conjunction became exact simultaneiously with that Uranus-Venus-square.
- pr Mars square Sun exact and pr ASC square Mars exact: well thy say they split amicably, and it might be true, but the path towards the split might have been a loud one.
Huge Ego conflicts there and even aggression potential (however that aggression would have manifested).
- his Saturn also squares her pr Venus exact.
So his SAturn AND Uranus challenge her Venus-Neptune-conjunction.
I remember the interview when she referred to him as her soulmate, and this constellation might have damaged that idea quite much.
- his SN conjunct her pr Venus (3 s).
this reminds me of what Rosaland said about the karmic nature of their relationship. Theirs miht have been a karmic relationship, even past life lovers, but the karma might have "burned out" when her Venus left his SN.
- her pr Sun is also squaring his Neptune (3 applying), so that is in the future.
They do have two positive progressions as well.
her pr Venus trine his n Venus (3a)
her pr Sun conjunct his DESC (2a).
Maybe it will help them to stay friend. (it could even be that they decide to give it another try in about 2 years, though it doesn`t have to be the way; it could simply mean that their relationship will have improved by then, maybe the worst wounds healed)
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Ceridwen
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posted June 20, 2012 12:58 PM
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Originally posted by amowls**:
My mother has been married to my father for 30 years, she has an empty 7th house. Kate Middleton & Joanne Woodward have an empty 7th. In fact, I would wager that a significant number of people with long term marriages have empty 7th houses. If you have an empty house, you look to the house ruler to see the condition of said house.All an empty house means is that it's not a focus in this lifetime. It doesn't DENY people.
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VenusDiSirius
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posted June 20, 2012 01:13 PM
Love this,Ceridwen,I know that you are interested in astro aspect of relationships,really,very cool,one can see the goods you derive from fascination with specific part of astrology IP: Logged |
PhoenixFire
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posted June 20, 2012 01:22 PM
Quick question if I may, about house rulers. Ok, so my dsc is Gemini so when using the Placidus system, would Mercury be the ruler of my empty 7th house? Or would it be Cancer/The Moon, as this sign takes up most of the 7th house?
Not sure how the empty 7th house plays out for me, I am in my second marriage. First one lasted 4 years, this one is five years in so far. Rough going tehse past two years, hanging in there.
Thanks a million =)
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VenusDiSirius
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posted June 20, 2012 01:30 PM
Mercury IP: Logged |
Lonake
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posted June 20, 2012 01:31 PM
Other things to check for the conditions of your relationships are Venus, its dispositor, and the 5th house. Also the Sun if you're female, and the Moon if you're male.IP: Logged |
Lonake
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posted June 20, 2012 01:45 PM
Venus I just noticed about the composite,
NN 18 Libra
Moon is *possibly* hovering over it in a conjunctionHis natal,
sa.Uranus 18 Libra
sa.Mars 20 Libra
sa.Pluto 26 Libra And then Saturn hit 18 Libra late September. Again I don't know their relationship as I don't follow, I just remember looking at their synastry once and seeing the strong Moon/Node connections on both sides, also involving the Moon/NN rulers if I'm not mistaken. That seemed a strong tie. IP: Logged |
VenusDiSirius
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posted June 20, 2012 01:56 PM
They have been trying for a long time - I think I can remember rumours from last year. There is that thing that he was having some kind of odd relationship with his publicist;
I love Moon connections,they are bond like no other; Still,speaking in general,about men,Moon fails when facing Venus - she has that sexappeal,excitement,Moon feels right and Venus is seductress. Each time I see a long term relationship fail,& the man has something with it,I think Moon broke down,and he is back to his Venus goddess,the fantasy and perfect woman,the myth.Saturn is make it or break it,broken for good,made to last,so I love to see what work it does in transits and progressions. IP: Logged |
Lonake
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posted June 20, 2012 02:44 PM
Venus conj Merc, sq Saturn/Uranus. What's your bet she's gonna be much younger? Just checked their charts Vanessa is 9 yrs younger already. His Moon in Cap would be attracted to age difference as well as the Aqua DSC.IP: Logged |
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