posted July 10, 2012 02:23 PM            

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Originally posted by Belage:
Everything I read here from men who claim that their afflicted venus or moon does not make them hate women, just reinforced the astrological stereotype about those aspects. The constant litany of complaints about women is quite telling. Unfortunately, they will continue to blame women for their issues, because they're unable to face those issues head on.

How could someone transcend these planetary afflictions, provided that they really wanted to? I would be interested to read from those men who have those aspects, and are in happy relationships.

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posted July 10, 2012 02:41 PM            

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Originally posted by Belage:
Everything I read here from men who claim that their afflicted venus or moon does not make them hate women, just reinforced the astrological stereotype about those aspects. The constant litany of complaints about women is quite telling. Unfortunately, they will continue to blame women for their issues, because they're unable to face those issues head on.

How could someone transcend these planetary afflictions, provided that they really wanted to? I would be interested to read from those men who have those aspects, and are in happy relationships.

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posted July 10, 2012 02:43 PM            

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Originally posted by Odette:
YES.

It's true.

Aries Venus
Retro Venus
Venus square Mars
Moon square Mars
Sometimes Aries Moon

They're just flipped.

You're not included - because as far as I'm concerned you have Venus and Mars in trined air signs... so the square aspect would not be the same as an *actual* square.

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posted July 10, 2012 02:51 PM            

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Originally posted by aquaguy91:
ok, let me tell you a little story, i stayed up all night last,night at my sisters house because her husband she is trying to get a divorce from was threatening to kll her and i was there keeping a look out so he didnt try to break in and do something crazy. does a man who hates women stay up all night protecting a woman from an abusive man,i dont think so!!!

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posted July 10, 2012 02:59 PM            

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Originally posted by 12thhouser:
aquaguy91 wasn't complaining about women, he was talking about the interpretations of the afflictions.

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His interpretations of his afflictions came across to me as very negative views of women, in this and other threads. Even him listening to some jerk telling him that you have to treat women like crap for them to love you is quite telling.

posted July 10, 2012 03:06 PM            

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Originally posted by Belage:
His interpretations of his afflictions came across to me as very negative views of women, in this and other threads. Even him listening to some jerk telling him that you have to treat women like crap for them to love you is quite telling.

Anyway, we all have our astrological afflictions to deal with. I wish someone would tell me how to best deal with my Saturn square Jupiter affliction. It's been kicking my arse forever.

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posted July 10, 2012 03:30 PM            

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Originally posted by sand:
I have that. I am more rational than emotional. I guess the merc wins out but my moon is also in h10.

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I know a man with this aspect who also appears to be more rational than emotional.

I am curious as to how this aspect plays out in a relationship.

Do you usually get involved with rational women?

posted July 10, 2012 04:18 PM            

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Originally posted by aquaguy91:
so this is something i keep finding on the internet on astrology sites, but is it true? i keep reading that us men with afflicted moons or venus are abusers and cheaters. as you all know i have both, but i'm not an abuser, and not a cheater ,nor do i hate women. the moon and venus in a man's chart represent women he meets,so wouldnt that mean he would meet or be drawn to nasty women? thats been my experience. i've also read women with afflicted mars have a tendency to meet or be drawn to bad men. so if we interprate afflicted mars in a womans charts as her having bad experiences with men, shouldnt we also interprate an afflicted venus as someone who has bad experiences with women.

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posted July 10, 2012 04:22 PM            

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Originally posted by vertiver:
No that is not true. I know a man who is a feminist and he has Moon opposition Venus in cardinal signs (Moon in Libra and Venus in Aries).

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posted July 10, 2012 04:23 PM            

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Originally posted by Odette:
Oh ok! I don't agree with the rest.
Definitely not Moon/Venus aspects.

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posted July 10, 2012 04:34 PM            

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Originally posted by aquaguy91:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by RegardesPlatero:
[b]Astrology only offers possibilities. It gives us raw materials. What we do with them is up to us. Charts represent tendencies, but we always have free will.

While I don't see you as an abuser, I do honestly think that you can be a bit negative about women sometimes. I don't feel like you are at the hate point yet, but it seems at times, while you can and do get along with some women here, you seem frustrated with women, or have attitudes towards women that tend to be negative--not to the point of outright misogyny yet, but if you're not careful, it could develop into hate later on, when you're older, which I don't think you truly want to happen. I think that you do want to get along with women, and the good news is that you can.
Nobody can say, "my chart made me do it". Again, you always have free will.

On top of that, remember that there are different degrees of evolution with every sign and placement. You can have those positions and seek to become a highly evolved person. The choice is yours.

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there some 'heathly' explanation about women liking 'bad guys' sometimes is the testorene. bad guys tend to be more of a risk taker, so women may want that. not necesarily the bad things that come with it, but definitely the testorene.. lol

sometimes is also the need for freedom of every human being. as a rule the 'bad guy' gives enough space. again, it is not the 'not calling you' what atracts a woman to that man, but the 'space given'

in the ideal world, the good man would be strong, handsome, caring, faithful and give lot of freedom. sometimes, however is the one who doesnot care the one who provides with strong character (he is not afraid to lose the woman) and the freedom (he is not desperate about losing her) so he can behave more normally than the one that is crazy about the woman.

if the humanity reach a point where love is less concerned with attachement, good guys will be the favorite of women.

posted July 10, 2012 04:42 PM            

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Originally posted by Belage:
His interpretations of his afflictions came across to me as very negative views of women, in this and other threads. Even him listening to some jerk telling him that you have to treat women like crap for them to love you is quite telling.

Anyway, we all have our astrological afflictions to deal with. I wish someone would tell me how to best deal with my Saturn square Jupiter affliction. It's been kicking my arse forever.

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maybe trying to create a structure for your growth needs? like firts to dare to dream (like brainstorming without allowing saturn nayer intervene) and then allows saturn to come in and start giving structure and reality check to your dreams?

posted July 10, 2012 05:17 PM            

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Originally posted by aquaguy91:
[QUOTE] yes i do get frustrated, lol its kind of hard not to. and i dont think i'll ever stoop to hating women, apathy is as far as it will go. And to be honest heading towards apathy now, i see so many women complaining about the lack of good men in the world
, but yet when theres a good man who expresses interest in them , they just arent interested. from a man's perspective it's the woman who is the chooser, she chooses to reward a man with her companionship or decline his advances. So its very frustrating for the decent men of the world to see women reward men who do her wrong with love, sex , or support or all 3 and shut out men who are the kind of man she wants. then said women complain how theres no good men in the world and feel sorry for themselves about how taken for granted and lonely they are, but 9 times
out of 10 ,she has atleast one decent guy interested in her but wont give him the time of day. this is the reality alot of guys face, i know, i have talked to many in real life and online. i have also talked to many guys who are very successful with women and they tell me its no secret what you have to do, you have to kind of be mean to women and play games to get them. But i refuse to do that, wont stoop to that level.

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Good for you for not stooping to their level. And good for you for watching out for your sister.

However, if I may, I'd like to ask you to stop thinking of affections as a 'reward', if you could. It implies that a woman owes a man affection or a romantic/sexual relationship if he does the right things/doesn't do the wrong things, or like she is a prize to be won. A relationship is an ongoing, organic creature. It's not like playing the original Super Mario game where you're Mario and you'll get the princess if you beat all of the levels and bosses and then Bowser at the end. It's not how it works. Getting to be in a relationship is just the beginning. It's not an end, like winning a prize is the end of a competition. Once in a relationship, you have to be able to maintain it, and there has to be something real and lasting there.

And, too, as I've said before, some women are just not interested--and they aren't bad women for that. You can kill all of the koopas and beat Bowser, and maybe that particular Princess Toadstool (or Peach, if you prefer) is simply not going to go away with you in the end, for reasons that she may or may not tell you. Sometimes, that just happens. Compatibility is complicated, and if you think about it, it's really hard to get together with the right person. It's something that has to happen naturally and that can't be forced.

My honest belief is that you're probably going after the wrong kind of girl, and that's a big part of why you are stuck. By 'wrong kind', I mean one who is not compatible or interested. You're going to keep striking out if you go for the same kinds of girls. I'm not saying that you should go out with someone if you are repulsed by her, just that you may have to give up on some kinds of girls because they just aren't compatible.

I think, too, that as others have pointed out, you may honestly be passing up good women and may be going after the wrong kinds of girls, which is just sabotaging yourself. If I may ask: how would you describe the girls that you usually go for, in terms of both personality and appearance (and, if they belong to one, a subculture, such as emo, goth, gamer, preppy, femme fatale, etc.)? Do you just hit on randoms that you think are hot? Have you thought about what kind of guy you are? Do the girls that you go for typically go for the type that you are?

The other big thing that I think holds you back is being frustrated and having negative thoughts/attitudes towards women. I think that really deepening your understanding of the broad spectrum of women that exist, hearing from them even when it's painful or difficult, accepting them as they are, and appreciating what they have to offer as companions--without the expectation of sex or romance--would be a good step to take. Really get to know them and appreciate them. There are plenty of females on LL--practice with those willing to converse with you and give you an 'inside look' at what the feminine experience is like.

Something that I've learned is that people can feel your energy, even if you're not intending it. If you do harbor resentment or bitterness towards women, changing your outlook might help change the energy that people pick up on. This is a big part of why women don't go after self-professed "nice" guys: they aren't always truly nice in their thoughts or attitudes towards women.

posted July 10, 2012 05:19 PM            

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Originally posted by nordicsoul:
maybe trying to create a structure for your growth needs? like firts to dare to dream (like brainstorming without allowing saturn nayer intervene) and then allows saturn to come in and start giving structure and reality check to your dreams?

just a thought

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posted July 10, 2012 05:28 PM            

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Originally posted by RegardesPlatero:
Good for you for not stooping to their level. And good for you for watching out for your sister.

However, if I may, I'd like to ask you to stop thinking of affections as a 'reward', if you could. It implies that a woman owes a man affection or a romantic/sexual relationship if he does the right things/doesn't do the wrong things, or like she is a prize to be won. A relationship is an ongoing, organic creature. It's not like playing the original Super Mario game where you're Mario and you'll get the princess if you beat all of the levels and bosses and then Bowser at the end. It's not how it works. Getting to be in a relationship is just the beginning. It's not an end, like winning a prize is the end of a competition. Once in a relationship, you have to be able to maintain it, and there has to be something real and lasting there.

And, too, as I've said before, some women are just not interested--and they aren't bad women for that. You can kill all of the koopas and beat Bowser, and maybe that particular Princess Toadstool (or Peach, if you prefer) is simply not going to go away with you in the end, for reasons that she may or may not tell you. Sometimes, that just happens. Compatibility is complicated, and if you think about it, it's really hard to get together with the right person. It's something that has to happen naturally and that can't be forced.

My honest belief is that you're probably going after the wrong kind of girl, and that's a big part of why you are stuck. By 'wrong kind', I mean one who is not compatible or interested. You're going to keep striking out if you go for the same kinds of girls. I'm not saying that you should go out with someone if you are repulsed by her, just that you may have to give up on some kinds of girls because they just aren't compatible.

I think, too, that as others have pointed out, you may honestly be passing up good women and may be going after the wrong kinds of girls, which is just sabotaging yourself. If I may ask: how would you describe the girls that you usually go for, in terms of both personality and appearance (and, if they belong to one, a subculture, such as emo, goth, gamer, preppy, femme fatale, etc.)? Do you just hit on randoms that you think are hot? Have you thought about what kind of guy you are? Do the girls that you go for typically go for the type that you are?

The other big thing that I think holds you back is being frustrated and having negative thoughts/attitudes towards women. I think that really deepening your understanding of the broad spectrum of women that exist, hearing from them even when it's painful or difficult, accepting them as they are, and appreciating what they have to offer as companions--without the expectation of sex or romance--would be a good step to take. Really get to know them and appreciate them. There are plenty of females on LL--practice with those willing to converse with you and give you an 'inside look' at what the feminine experience is like.

Something that I've learned is that people can feel your energy, even if you're not intending it. If you do harbor resentment or bitterness towards women, changing your outlook might help change the energy that people pick up on. This is a big part of why women don't go after self-professed "nice" guys: they aren't always truly nice in their thoughts or attitudes towards women.

Returning once more to the video game analogy, think of it this way: even if you don't 'win' the game, you get experience points. You get something out of playing the game. If you run out of lives and it's "game over" (i.e., do not enter into the relationship that you want), you can always reset and play again.

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posted July 10, 2012 05:39 PM            

Returning once more to the video game analogy, think of it this way: even if you don't 'win' the game, you get experience points. You get something out of playing the game. If you run out of lives and it's "game over" (i.e., do not enter into the relationship that you want), you can always reset and play again. [/QUote} ok i dont think of it as a reward, i used that word specifically for the women who say that they wish there were more good men in the world but yet keep rewarding mens bad behavior, its like if you really want more respect from men, dont put up with their sh*t, dont keep forgiving them.

posted July 10, 2012 07:35 PM            

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Originally posted by Belage:
His interpretations of his afflictions came across to me as very negative views of women, in this and other threads. Even him listening to some jerk telling him that you have to treat women like crap for them to love you is quite telling.

Anyway, we all have our astrological afflictions to deal with. I wish someone would tell me how to best deal with my Saturn square Jupiter affliction. It's been kicking my arse forever.

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posted July 10, 2012 08:42 PM            

I love women.

posted July 10, 2012 09:25 PM            

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Originally posted by Belage:
I know a man with this aspect who also appears to be more rational than emotional.

I am curious as to how this aspect plays out in a relationship.

Do you usually get involved with rational women?

Or as I suspect, do you get involved with emotional women while playing the rational one in relationships? Since the moon cannot be denied, I would think that you would be attracted to a lot of dramatic women or relationships, in which you could vicariously fulfill your unexpressed moon ohile striving to maintain rationalism.

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posted July 10, 2012 09:30 PM            

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Originally posted by RedScorp:
My Venus is in detriment (Scorpio), as is my Moon (Capricorn). My Venus is even retrograde! My Moon is in a stellium with Uranus and Neptune, received a sextile from Jupiter, and a wide square from Mercury. My Venus has a tight trine with Saturn.

I love women.

All my bffz are women and I get on really well with females more than males. Dunno why, hahaha! Maybe I'm off-putting to males, what with my slim physique and androgynous appearance, shrug.

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posted July 10, 2012 09:41 PM            

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Originally posted by sand:

Well I've reasoned out I am the type 3 in this and my ideal would be a type 4.
http://www.enneagraminstitute.com/3and4.asp

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