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Moonfish
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posted December 18, 2012 05:15 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Moonfish     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Monogamous all the way
This is coming from someone who has uranus square venus. I want to love and be fully devoted to 1 person, and I expect the same I'm return.
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90 percent of all bird species are monogamous
http://www.stanford.edu/group/stanfordbirds/text/essays/Monogamy.html

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Termites

In an ant colony, a queen mates once with the male(s), stores the gametes for life, and the male ants die shortly after mating. In contrast, several species of termites can form lifelong pair bonds between a female "queen" and a single male "king" who literally give birth to their entire kingdom.


http://www.mnn.com/earth-matters/animals/photos/11-animals-that-mate-for-life/termites

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Schistosoma mansoni worms

They may not offer the conventional image of love, but these parasitic worms are usually far more faithful than the humans they inhabit. As unromantic as it sounds, they cause the disease schistosomiasis, also known as snail fever. When they reproduce sexually within the human body, they form loyal monogamous pair bonds that typically last the entire cycle.


http://www.mnn.com/earth-matters/animals/photos/11-animals-that-mate-fo r-life/schistosoma-mansoni-worms

Other speices that are known to stay faithful:

Gibbons

French Angelfish

Wolves

Prairie Voles


We can learn a thing or two from them.

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posted December 18, 2012 05:25 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for PixieJane     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Btw, another 80s vid, this one a very popular one on sexuality...I love this one for my own reasons (I consider it performance art as much as entertainment):
www.youtube.com/watch?v=qtfLz3ueQsQ

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11nahyt
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posted December 18, 2012 06:12 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for 11nahyt     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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in my ipod/ipad 90 percent of the songs are from 05 and back. maybe 20 songs are from 06 - now

*** of the mainstream genres**. i forgot to specify on that part

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posted December 18, 2012 08:51 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for 11nahyt     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
sorry but i just don't care enough to get into that much detail. im just not going to go as far as to actually list numerous artist, to compare to past artists. and this and that etc etc, just to try and disprove someone else's opinion. especially on something as subjective as musical tastes? because at the end of the day, what you or i consider "good" music, is still a matter of opinion. and if you don't see things the way i see it, then so what?. i don't see things the way you see it either. but SO WHAT? i wasn't aware that we HAD to see eye to eye on our musical preferences.

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posted December 18, 2012 08:54 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for 11nahyt     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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posted December 18, 2012 08:59 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for PixieJane     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by 11nahyt:
sorry but i just don't care enough to get into that much detail. im just not going to go as far as to actually list numerous artist, to compare to past artists. and this and that etc etc, just to try and disprove someone else's opinion. especially on something as subjective as musical tastes? because at the end of the day, what you or i consider "good" music, is still a matter of opinion. and if you don't see things the way i see it, then so what?. i don't see things the way you see it either. but SO WHAT? i wasn't aware that we HAD to see eye to eye on our musical preferences.

I wasn't arguing your opinion on your preferences, and I didn't even question your claim that it's all about the money today as I don't see how you could possibly know enough in the music industry so intimately as to be able to make such a valid claim, only your claim that music today is worse, particularly more violent, today than before. That is, I didn't challenge your opinion, I challenged your assertion of the facts.

And it was also a little disconcerting to you see you believe it so strongly and act amazed that anyone could disagree (as I can't help but wonder what I missed). The 80s pretty much gave us some of the most violent songs ever, from gangsta rap to metal songs that literally sang praises to Josef "Angel of Death" Mengele. Not even Marilyn Manson at his most shocking came close to what used to be very popular. And while arguable that those were to niche audiences (though large enough that they became exceedingly wealthy), even pop & country were more violent, as I already gave examples of. And you also told me to compare and so I did...I guess it's you who needs to compare then.

Again, I don't challenge your opinion or preferences, or even claims that can't be objectively proven (such as the motivation of all performers today), I'm ONLY challenging what you claim to be demonstrable fact.

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posted December 18, 2012 10:28 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for blugrey     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I don't see the purpose for an open relationship.

For me, it's either commitment or I'm playing the field without any strings.

An open relationship is cheap. It's set up so someone has someone to fall back on when they don't have anyone else and it's lame.

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posted December 18, 2012 11:04 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for 11nahyt     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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posted December 19, 2012 08:31 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Aquacheeka     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I don't personally know anyone in "open relationships." Among the people I know, you're either in a relationship or you're single and you sleep around, or try to have many friends-with-benefits. I actually only know of two people who pursure that, though - one is a Sagittarius male, and the other is an Aquarius male. And I've distanced myself from both because I don't like sleazebags.

My personal preference is for monogamy and I actually feel that monogamy is not as difficult as people make it out to be. Monogamy isn't the hard part. It's celibacy that's the hard part. Usually the lapses in monogamy occur when one partner forces the other into long stretches of celibacy (in one case with a female friend, the man went away for work for months. She has been faithful to him now for three years.)

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posted December 19, 2012 08:33 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Aquacheeka     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I actually think that music has gotten progressively less promoting of sleeping around in recent years. If anything there is an epidemic of pu$$y-whippification in popular music. It started with the emo movement/Dashboard Confessional and now you've got Bruno Mars telling the masses that "you're amazing just the way you are." The Ushers of the world, with their lurid tales of infidelity, have become passe, so 1999.

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posted December 19, 2012 09:14 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Faith     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by ail221:
Why would I want to share someone who I intend on sharing numerous intimate things with.

Well said.

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posted December 19, 2012 12:45 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for YoursTrulyAlways     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Concept made up by a bunch of h0rny men.

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posted December 19, 2012 05:44 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for PixieJane     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Aquacheeka:
I actually think that music has gotten progressively less promoting of sleeping around in recent years. If anything there is an epidemic of pu$$y-whippification in popular music. It started with the emo movement/Dashboard Confessional and now you've got Bruno Mars telling the masses that "you're amazing just the way you are." The Ushers of the world, with their lurid tales of infidelity, have become passe, so 1999.

Something else this thread got me to wondering about...where are the songs about a young man sleeping with an older woman (or at least eroticizing the experience) like the award winning Mrs. Robinson and Hot For Teacher? Have any been made since 2000?

And interesting enough I never heard those 2 songs I just mentioned piped over store speakers, but I HAVE heard Don't Stand So Close to Me played quite a bit.

I'm finding it strange because these days the cougars and the pumas are in style, and female teachers hooking up with underage male students have also skyrocketed in the last 10 years. So wouldn't the music world reflect that?

It's teasing my mind.

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posted December 19, 2012 06:08 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for SaturnineMoth     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
My sentiments on commitment to my partner, exactly... can find no better words~

How I feel is that if I wanted anything I’d take it. That’s what I’ve always thought all my life. But it happens that I want you, and so I just haven’t room for any other desires.

― F. Scott Fitzgerald
The Beautiful and Damned

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posted December 19, 2012 09:53 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for JLyn ~     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The music like marylin manson was gothic pychotic, not satan crap. His message was open up and by your own person as you with a good music in the back ground remember sweet dreams? he was hatred that he dealt with his own self. people now got that because he was so different and it scared'um. Alice in chaind had some soulful lyrics is you "get" what level he was on.. deep sh`t. Tool basically had an evoled taste with thats wake people up in a positive way with excite music. It seems the younger people these days dont understand real music is a story or a meaningful message that feels so good listening it touches your soul, not "lets get some puss and smoke some kesha" thats the point.

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posted December 19, 2012 09:59 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for JLyn ~     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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i loveeee 80's and 90's music. even songs from those days that could be categorized as "meaningless" is still substantially more meaningful than today's version of "meaningless" lol. sad sad. music from before had more passion. you can feel the artist's passion for their music. . today, its alll about the money and fame.. and glamorizing violence. there's a "vacant" feel in today's music. its no longer being composed from the heart. the majority of today's artist are only passionate about the money they're gonna make off their "music".

soneone stole my phone so im trying to work with this sh`t phone someones letting me use.
exactly. and i did meant todays mainstream SUCKS!

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posted December 19, 2012 11:18 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for JLyn ~     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
By the way lately im been hearing alotta people having HepB and HIV, like honestly the last person i slept with, the word on the street from 5 people said he's got HIV?? good family cuteee as hell and so romantic you just never know. Its spreading bad so be careful everyone. real talk.

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Yes, I have been in one. Yes, it was a positive experience.

During that time, it was exactly what I needed. I have an insanely high sex drive but I don't like to go out on the prowl or get involved with people who don't get it. I don't drink, so the bar scene felt silly.

I am also a single parent and I didn't want to spend a large chunk of time going out to dinners and endless "dating rituals" only to be potentially let down. At the time, I also didn't want to have a relationship that would progress to living with another man. I didn't want a "step-father" figure coming in and taking over. I needed it to be me and the kids for a while, without any outsiders.

Some would say I should have not been worried about sex but I am human. I love my kids but I am not a martyr.

Anyway, he treated me better than anyone I was ever with before (including my ex-husband who I was with for 7 years). I never felt like girlfriend #2 or girlfriend #3. He would drop anything to help me or one of my friends if we needed him to. For example, one of our mutual friends had recently experienced a loss in her family and he picked me up at my house took me to her (70 miles) & we sat with her all day while she cried. He dropped his other plans and he was there because I asked him to be.

Obviously, it worked for us because he wasn't a selfish & arrogant ass. And I was able to approach the relationship with a clear head because I knew there were no expectations or promises. It was very much like what people call "friends with benefits" but we had a real & caring relationship and other women were involved. And that was ok with me because I couldn't/didn't want to give him all of my time.

I got my sexual/emotional needs taken care of and then I could quickly get back to my kids & my work. No long romantic weekends. No awkward moments of him trying to pretend to like my kids... it was great.

We didn't "break up" or end things in a dramatic fashion and we are still friends. We ended the sexual relations when I met someone who did seem to take a genuine interest in me and who did not mind that I am a single parent.

I experienced a significant amount of personal growth from my open relationship experience. I learned not to be as suffocating and jealous as I usually would be (I have Venus in Scorpio). I learned to be open minded about trying new things and to not shoot down ideas instantly (it could be anything, including new restaurants). I jokingly tell people "I learned to share my toys". LOL!!

Yes, I am monogamous by nature. It is my preference and desire to be partnered up with one person, my best friend. But at that time, I simply wasn't ready. I felt my kids were not ready for that either.

I just thought I'd add a positive experience.

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posted December 20, 2012 06:00 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Geeky     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Also...

Open does not = whoring around and catching STDs.

He was sexually faithful (does that make sense?) to his core ladies. That sounds funny saying it, but it's true.

The wife approved of the girlfriend and then those two had to approve of me. I know that sounds weird, but being completely truthful and honest is what made it work and made it to where we didn't have trust issues.

Before me, he was with his wife for 5 years & his other girlfriend on the side for 2 years.

Condoms were used EVERY single time. I cannot admit that to be true in my previous monogamous relations...

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posted December 20, 2012 06:35 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Haplesschild*     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
^If he slept with you too, how can he be 'sexually faithful? Isn't that like a paradox?

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posted December 20, 2012 06:55 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Geeky     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I know, it's hard to explain. Faithful = he didn't have to lie/cheat and he didn't do one night stands.

Each new person (first gf, then me) was approved and not kept a secret. It was an actual open relationship not just "swinging" or sex parties or anything of that nature that could be perceived as more risky for STDs.

Also, within the group, because of the open/honest nature of it, there wasn't any secrecy or hurt feelings. He didn't have to lie to his wife and say he was "working late" to spend time with me, etc. We were all extra careful because we knew about each other.

On the other hand, the butthole I was married to for 7 years cheated and put me at risk for STDs because he was not honest. I thought he was monogamous, so we did not use condoms (we were married!).

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posted December 20, 2012 07:00 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Geeky     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Involving other people in a relationship just ruins the security of it I think? And it's not as intimate (emotionally).

Not for us. I felt secure with my situation because I wasn't ready for a new, lifelong partner but I didn't want to just sleep around and have casual sex.

It was also very intimate and emotionally fulfilling, for me.

At that time, it was all I needed.

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posted December 20, 2012 07:23 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Haplesschild*     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I'm just an all or nothing person, in that when I really want a person, I don't want anyone else. So the fact that this guy had a wife and two gfs just makes me think he must have been feeling pretty smug? Like he could do anything he wanted?
Did the wife sleep with other men too?

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posted December 20, 2012 07:41 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Geeky     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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I'm just an all or nothing person, in that when I really want a person, I don't want anyone else.

I usually am too. But in this case, it worked for the time in my life that I needed it to. It was a phase and it was a good experience.

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posted December 20, 2012 07:45 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for DeathIsanIllusion     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Monogamous or nothing!!!!!!!!

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