posted December 18, 2012 01:13 AM            

We're basically already in 2013 and it seems the thing now with relationships are mostly 'open' and share with all. It kinda does make sense considering all the temptation its much easier to share sex then say back in 1989 without computers and cell phones, even the music changed to instead of lyrical love songs it's mostly about sex and have a wife a girlfriend and mistress now! The beginning of the age of Aquarius energy is getting higher

I'm to possessive in relationships to be 'open' with other people, but I know 5 couples that do swing for fun! and the funny thing is all 5 couples have trust issues now, 2 are actually separated or just filed for divorce.

posted December 18, 2012 01:39 AM            

Involving other people in a relationship just ruins the security of it I think? And it's not as intimate (emotionally).

posted December 18, 2012 02:00 AM            

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Originally posted by 11nahyt:
i too am wayyyy to possessive for the "open" stuff. its just that i give my all to the person i'm in a relationship with, and i expect the same in return. and with that, there is NO room for someone else. at least that's what i hope lol. however, the idea of living with a boyfriend is something i do NOT want.i need alotttt of space. A LOT of ME time. and i'm too bossy anyways lol. plus i like my house to look a certain way, which just isnt possible when living with someone else. and i think it's the best when each has their own place. i can come over whenever or sleep over whenever, and him too. we don't have to see each other every single day (i think that's healthy).. i don't want kids, and my future guy will have to be the same. i agree about even today's music has changed. in my ipod/ipad 90 percent of the songs are from 05 and back. maybe 20 songs are from 06 - now. i cannot stand today's music for the most part. today is all about the drugs,sex (meaningless sex at that). most people are now even more opposed to having deep meaningful relationships than ever. its all about having some arm candy now, and extreme hunger for money (at whatever cost). superficiality is THE way to be now.. this makes mee sooo sad

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My iPod is also music from like 06-05 and back with only maybe like 12 new songs, i like 1969 hypnotic 80's and 90's music. Its just the lyrics ain't the same, the actual music isn't either it's such a shame.

posted December 18, 2012 02:13 AM            

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Originally posted by foxxyxo:
don't let your perverted man brainwash you into thinking it's the "norm"

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posted December 18, 2012 03:01 AM            

However, I'm now in a more standard relationship (though the last few years I seem to only form romantic bonds with other women whereas I used to be more equal opportunity). I believe a lot of my sex drive was based more on curiosity and once my curiosity was satisfied I just lost interest in sex and the drama that usually went with it, so as a result I only have sex with the one person I'm bonded with which doesn't come easily because I don't actually look for romantic entanglements.

Btw, I knew a guy (he'd be in his 40s today) who experienced all kinds of unconventional romantic & sexual relationships his entire life (he even attended bisexual orgies in his youth) and I recall thinking as I looked at his chart that it might be because of Uranus in Libra:

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They may have a hard time remaining loyal to their partner. If marriage is to succeed, they need space. They may have relationships that start or end abruptly. They may push the traditional perspective with an open marriage, multiple partners or other unusual partnerships. They may tend towards anarchistic behavior, or be known for their eccentricities

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posted December 18, 2012 03:13 AM            

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Originally posted by JLyn ~:
My iPod is also music from like 06-05 and back with only maybe like 12 new songs, i like 1969 hypnotic 80's and 90's music. Its just the lyrics ain't the same, the actual music isn't either it's such a shame.

You said it.

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posted December 18, 2012 03:20 AM            

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Originally posted by PixieJane:
As for me I have Uranus, Eris, and Mars in Sag and I think in my younger years that allowed me to enter into unconventional sexual relationships. I'm open to the idea of polyamory (not to be confused with either open relationships or swinging) and even tried to enter into one for a few years but everyone I knew was against the idea (again, it's very rare that people I've known are accepting of that, though swinging is a little more acceptable).

However, I'm now in a more standard relationship (though the last few years I seem to only form romantic bonds with other women whereas I used to be more equal opportunity). I believe a lot of my sex drive was based more on curiosity and once my curiosity was satisfied I just lost interest in sex and the drama that usually went with it, so as a result I only have sex with the one person I'm bonded with which doesn't come easily because I don't actually look for romantic entanglements.

Btw, I knew a guy (he'd be in his 40s today) who experienced all kinds of unconventional romantic & sexual relationships his entire life (he even attended bisexual orgies in his youth) and I recall thinking as I looked at his chart that it might be because of Uranus in Libra:

[QUOTE]They may have a hard time remaining loyal to their partner. If marriage is to succeed, they need space. They may have relationships that start or end abruptly. They may push the traditional perspective with an open marriage, multiple partners or other unusual partnerships. They may tend towards anarchistic behavior, or be known for their eccentricities

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posted December 18, 2012 03:47 AM            

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Originally posted by 11nahyt:
today, its alll about the money and fame.. and glamorizing violence.

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Not the vast majority I listen to, from pop to industrial to country to folk. Even a lot of the rap and metal made within the last 5 years or so (that I listen to) doesn't glorify violence. One can find exceptions to the rule, but I can actually think of more violence in songs in old country than new (decades ago there was Coward of the Country, Country Boy Can Survive, Attitude Adjustment, and even one that celebrated Dirty Harry, but the only one I can think of offhand today is Beer For My Horses...though one could make a case that Independence Day and The Angry American glorify violence). Some even decry violence, such as multiple songs by VNV Nation. Most, of course, don't touch on violence at all. For example, I can't think of a single song by Dar Williams or Taylor Swift that glorify violence.

Contrast with a lot of metal, hard rock, rap, and country of say the 80s and 90s. Heck, even the Pet Shop Boys, Pat Benatar, and Duran Duran (all pop, IIRC) was known for songs of sex and violence in the 80s (I think even Michael Jackson did one glamorizing street fighting). The 90s had its share of popular violence loving bands like Rage Against the Machine (who not only glorified violence in their songs but have been known to urge their audience at concerts to acts of violence & rioting) and Marilyn Manson.

Tori Amos might seem to glorify violence in one CD but I think she was actually mocking the songs that did...and many of those songs were actually created in the 80s (like when she did a cover of Slayer's Reign In Blood, which was surreal as she sang the extreme metal as a ballad but same lyrics) and 90s (97 Bonnie and Clyde was just barely in this century than the last).

Most of what you said, including about it all being about the money and the fame, is opinion so I won't argue that (not that I agree), but saying it's all about glamorizing violence today (especially when compared to the 80s) seems factually wrong and I don't even know how anyone would hold that as an opinion. Granted, if you restricted yourself to bands like the Bangles and Tiffany in the 80s, Sheryl Crow, Spice Girls, and Tori Amos in the 90s, and then switched to listening to Eminem and Killswitch Engage in the 21st century then I could understand the mistake, though I'd be curious why your musical interests shifted so (perhaps listening to what kids listen to?).

posted December 18, 2012 04:54 AM            

What's mine is MINE. LOL

posted December 18, 2012 05:02 AM            

I've no issue with whatever choices consenting individuals partake in so long as honesty is forefront with all involved.

posted December 18, 2012 05:17 AM            

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Not the vast majority I listen to, from pop to industrial to country to folk. Even a lot of the rap and metal made within the last 5 years or so (that I listen to) doesn't glorify violence. One can find exceptions to the rule, but I can actually think of more violence in songs in old country than new (decades ago there was Coward of the Country, Country Boy Can Survive, Attitude Adjustment, and even one that celebrated Dirty Harry, but the only one I can think of offhand today is Beer For My Horses...though one could make a case that Independence Day and The Angry American glorify violence). Some even decry violence, such as multiple songs by VNV Nation. Most, of course, don't touch on violence at all. For example, I can't think of a single song by Dar Williams or Taylor Swift that glorify violence.

Contrast with a lot of metal, hard rock, rap, and country of say the 80s and 90s. Heck, even the Pet Shop Boys, Pat Benatar, and Duran Duran (all pop, IIRC) was known for songs of sex and violence in the 80s (I think even Michael Jackson did one glamorizing street fighting). The 90s had its share of popular violence loving bands like Rage Against the Machine (who not only glorified violence in their songs but have been known to urge their audience at concerts to acts of violence & rioting) and Marilyn Manson.

Tori Amos might seem to glorify violence in one CD but I think she was actually mocking the songs that did...and many of those songs were actually created in the 80s (like when she did a cover of Slayer's Reign In Blood, which was surreal as she sang the extreme metal as a ballad but same lyrics) and 90s (97 Bonnie and Clyde was just barely in this century than the last).

Most of what you said, including about it all being about the money and the fame, is opinion so I won't argue that (not that I agree), but saying it's all about glamorizing violence today (especially when compared to the 80s) seems factually wrong and I don't even know how anyone would hold that as an opinion. Granted, if you restricted yourself to bands like the Bangles and Tiffany in the 80s, Sheryl Crow, Spice Girls, and Tori Amos in the 90s, and then switched to listening to Eminem and Killswitch Engage in the 21st century then I could understand the mistake, though I'd be curious why your musical interests shifted so (perhaps listening to what kids listen to?).

I'm just finding this thread odd as it sounds as if we're actually communicating across parallel worlds rather than living in the same world...

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posted December 18, 2012 04:56 PM            

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Originally posted by 11nahyt:
how could you not be seeing that?!. either way, i stand by my opinion. you don't have to agree with me. your opinion differs from mine. so lets just leave it at that.

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I suspect because I see a lot more than you, but maybe I'm just listening to the wrong songs. I really don't see that much of a difference, save that music promoted more violence in previous decades (which I gave examples of while you did not). But ok, whatever.

Btw, just off the top of my head...

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Originally posted by 11nahyt:
look at how much more explicit violent content are in today's music videos . and compare them to old sexual, violent music videos from say 10 20 yrs ago

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I could go with so many examples, some of which I ALREADY shared, but here's yet another example of a vid catering to teen rebellion, horrible fashions, and acting out against obnoxious school authorities, this one from 1984:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=25pS3bx4S8A

And now, compared to one under that same description (to contrast with violence in music vids these days) in 2005:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_gx2FWn8SK4

As a bonus point there's even racial diversity in the newer one. Granted, the 80s vid seems obviously geared to boys while the 2005 vid more to girls so that may help explain the lack of violence in comparison somewhat, but nevertheless both songs were popular among kids of both genders when they came out. (Btw, don't go into how the second one was a bit more sexualized than the first because I can show you far more racier ones, including aimed at kids, from the 1980s as well.)

And that's just one more example to add to the ones I already gave. And how can we forget this vid of a prom queen shooting up her school (also from 1984)?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xG3yGdQYwqg

And furthermore, kids are better than previous generations when it comes to violence:
http://reason.com/archives/2002/02/01/teen-demon-tracts

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Kids these days. We all know the basic jeremiad: They're media-addled, affectless, nihilist, subliterate, a Clockwork Orange-style army of "superpredators," teen gunmen, and garden-variety sociopaths waiting to happen. Advertising has hypnotized them. Video games have conditioned them to kill without feeling. And pop culture has hammered every conceivable kind of coarseness -- from anonymous sex to Satanism, from glorified violence to Internet passivity -- into their poignantly echoing little craniums. Is it any wonder that most of them are but a bully's slight or a chatroom flame away from raining hot-lead vengeance on schoolrooms or playgrounds?

Well, yes, actually. It is, indeed, a considerable wonder that any part of this hysterical caricature should command serious discussion in the first place. As almost no media outlet is going to tell you, kids these days are astonishingly well-adjusted, nonviolent, educated, and polite. Nearly all the leading indicators of social ills among American adolescents -- drug use, violent assault, teen pregnancy, drop-out rates, you name it -- have been declining for at least 10 years now. More teens are graduating high school and attending college than ever before. A record number of American teens volunteer their time to charitable causes -- twice as many as their counterparts of 20 years past. Math SATs are at a 30-year high. Hell, even teen literacy is increasing: A recent survey conducted by the National Education Association found that 41 percent of teen respondents said they read 15 books or more a year. How many adults can claim a comparable intake?

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