posted June 15, 2013 04:57 PM            

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Originally posted by SilverFeather:
May I ask how did you come to that conclusion ?

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posted June 15, 2013 04:59 PM            

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Originally posted by SilverFeather:
So, the IC/4th house symbolizes what you lacked in your childhood home, what should have been there but never was.

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I think 4th house describes our early childhood and home - so in that sense it shows exactly what was there, and not what was lacking.

I have IC in Cancer and the 4th house is empty (in Koch system though, my Moon lands there) - my mother was very nurturing / smothering when I was growing up, protective and affectionate.

However, my home-life was never "easy" - we were poor, and my parents had extreme fights with lots of verbal and physical abuse.

I don't know how this ^ relates to my IC except for the ruler (Moon) being afflicted.

Anyway, I'm not a family person, so I don't know about IC being the ideal home.

But your theory is very interesting.

My mother has Sun in the 4th (along with Uranus and an exiting Pluto near the 5th house cusp) - and she's very much a family person but definitely doesn't feel like she belongs. Our family is broken and my relationship with her is almost non-existent (it's very tense and full of resentment, on my part especially). Also, we are far away from our relatives because we moved to another country several years ago, and I know she feels a lack of connectedness with her family members, which hurts her a lot.

posted June 15, 2013 05:02 PM            

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Originally posted by SilverFeather:
So the astrologer's theory was spot on. This is very interesting.

Personally,I have Mars sitting right my IC. I've always had those dreams of being in the middle of open sea-battles with cannons and bombs and angry waves.
I came to understand that they are memories of a past life where I worked for the British navy in WWII.

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How about Venus in the IC? What does it tell me about my past life? It squares my nodal axis in the 1st/7th house.

posted June 15, 2013 05:20 PM            

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Originally posted by Azurenite:
Of course! I was getting an "intuitive massage" once. The lady giving it said she kept seeing five points above my head. She then asked my birthday and referred to a book. I believe the book was called Astrology for the soul. Talked about NN and the souls journey. My NN is Aqua. and because my SN is Leo my past lives were those of Queens and Entertainers, etc. I have dreams of that...

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posted June 15, 2013 05:26 PM            

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Originally posted by Doux Rêve:
I think 4th house describes our early childhood and home - so in that sense it shows exactly what was there, and not what was lacking.

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That's the case for people who do not have Sun in conjunction with IC.
For those who do, it's always the "lacking" part that works. That's what I came to realize by analyzing charts of different friends.
Now, let's take your mother for example. So knowing that her sun conj IC, I'm going to ask you :
What's the sign on the IC ? What planets does she have in 4th house ?

posted June 15, 2013 05:30 PM            

IC in Leo, Sun (Leo) conjunct Uranus (Virgo) (but not conjunct the IC) and a few degrees away, Pluto at the end of the 4th.

posted June 15, 2013 05:46 PM            

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Originally posted by SilverFeather:
I see. south Node in Leo is befitting in this case.
In which house is your South Node ? What do you dream of exactly ?

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I have SN in Leo, I should have just said that. Sometimes I take the scenic route.

posted June 15, 2013 06:21 PM            

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Silver,

How about Venus in the IC? What does it tell me about my past life? It squares my nodal axis in the 1st/7th house. [/B]

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posted June 15, 2013 06:49 PM            

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Originally posted by Doux Rêve:
Oh okay.
Thanks for clarifying.

IC in Leo, Sun (Leo) conjunct Uranus (Virgo) (but not conjunct the IC) and a few degrees away, Pluto at the end of the 4th.

So ruler of 4th in the 4th.

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So let's see here.

Leo on cusp means that your mother always craved a big united family with a great sense of warmth, generosity and open display of affection between its members.
Now with Sun conjunct IC, the effect is the reverse.
Her family members weren't unified in any sense. Familial ties were never as tight as they should be. Siblings keep drifting apart from each other, a lot of fighting/disputing among them, selfishness is noted, pride and ego issues with the father/or mother.

Now with Uranus there, emotional detachment is a constant issue, a feeling of being " a stranger" in your own family is always there.

Pluto within the 4th house symbolized unresolved emotional issues that took roots during childhood.
A subconscious anger against parents/family members that kept developing deeper and deeper through time.
Generally Pluto describes an emotionally charged and unbalanced domestic environment.

posted June 15, 2013 06:54 PM            

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Originally posted by Azurenite:
I have SN in Leo, I should have just said that. Sometimes I take the scenic route.

I dream of "Moulin Rouge" and "Queen of the Nile" scenes. My intuitive massage lady said I was Queen of the Seven Flags, I have no idea what that means actually.

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That's very interesting !

posted June 15, 2013 07:27 PM            

I haven't read this thread all the way through, as it is 4 pages long, however, I would say that I always thought that the IC/4th house ruled not only the family, but also the private internal life that a person experiences. A lot of the astrological literature refers to this, but doesn't usually go in depth. Of course, I also tend to think that the water signed houses get more 'esoteric' interpretations which are sometimes harder to describe (4th- family/internal private life, 8th-sex/emotional depth and connection, 12th- institutions/subconscious impulses, desires, fears that are hidden).

So for me, I have Pisces on the IC, opposed by my Venus and Sun in Virgo that are conjunct the MC. Because of this, I tend to feel that I am often misunderstood as a person, because the part of me that gets acknowledged by the 'public' (10th) is tied in to what I do for a living. Ironically, my coworkers and people that I work with outside of my agency would NEVER know how I truly think and feel about things as I live in a fairly conservative area, and I am 'hippie dippie' at heart (Pisces). I just don't happen to live the lifestyle. It's not even necessarily that I want to live the stereotypical lifestyle associated with that- It's just that I truly believe in living the philosophy of compassion, living for others, and in fixing systemic wrongs instead of living the stereotype. I also believe in more 'spiritual' concepts and use meditation and peaceful thinking as ways of being. So my want for peace and universality is always at the back of my mind and it is evident in the way that I interact, but is never really acknowledged by others, partially because they usually don't know how to react when I do share my beliefs as they are out of the 'mainstream' and partially because it seems like something that others don't always WANT to acknowledge about me.

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Pisces IC embodies someone who will found his home upon the need for a peaceful/quiet environment free of conflict and anger, a domestic environment which encourages creativity/spirituality.

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posted June 15, 2013 07:46 PM            

You described her family, yes, but mainly her own family - husband, and children (as opposed to her parents and siblings). But both seem to fit, very accurate!

posted June 15, 2013 08:04 PM            

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Originally posted by Doux Rêve:
Silver,

You described her family, yes, but mainly her own family - husband, and children (as opposed to her parents and siblings). But both seem to fit, very accurate!

Actually you're spot on.
Very good analysis, thank you.

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posted June 15, 2013 08:14 PM            

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This is probably mostly true for me, and like I said... It's founded on a way of internal thinking/being for me that is not something that I make 'public' about myself. In some ways I think it is at my detriment, because the types of people I attract therefore are not conducive to me being able to keep this type of environment. [/B]

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The challenge of the MC/IC Axis is to balance between your inner world and the outer world.

The danger resides in losing one's core self and individuality in order to please or in sense placate the public/society's expectations/demands.
Danger could be equally found also in losing touch completely with th outer world and becoming totally submerged in one's inner world and fantasies.
The key word again is balance.

posted June 16, 2013 05:09 AM            

I think i have natural affinity with Saggitariuses - i've often been confused with one - but it seems that many people who have Saggy Sun or Moon, or at least ASC are in my life.

So personally i think IC is really important! Uranus and Neptune in my 4th house, but i didn't have unusual home, my family was established - with both parents, i don't know what it refers to... Maybe with regards to past lives?

posted June 16, 2013 05:53 AM            

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Originally posted by Jessica2407:
I USED to dream about weird stuff. I see a girl, I know it's me but it's not really my face. I'm being chased,am always accompanied by a dog, a black dog. In every dream, the dog runs ahead of me like she is showing me the way ( don't ask me how I know it's female dog, I just know). It used to be a repetitive dream, but not anymore. I don't know what happened. Why it stopped? NOW I dream of performing tantric magic spells. I'm both spooked and fascinated.

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posted June 16, 2013 06:00 AM            

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Originally posted by Selene:
I have IC in Saggitarius. It's where my Draconic Sun is, and i was a Saggitarius in my immediate past life.

I think i have natural affinity with Saggitariuses - i've often been confused with one - but it seems that many people who have Saggy Sun or Moon, or at least ASC are in my life.

So personally i think IC is really important! Uranus and Neptune in my 4th house, but i didn't have unusual home, my family was established - with both parents, i don't know what it refers to... Maybe with regards to past lives?

I also have Lilith conjunct my IC very tightly. And yes, magic has been a part of my past lives, at least in a couple of ones i can remember.

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hmm..interesting.
The sign on the IC could be very much one's Sun sign in the previous lifetime.

posted June 16, 2013 06:24 AM            

Why a medium?

posted June 16, 2013 06:45 AM            

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Originally posted by Jessica2407:
@Silver

Why a medium?

you mean contacting my ancestors?

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posted June 16, 2013 06:54 AM            

Alright. But that was years ago. I ceased having those dreams now.

posted June 16, 2013 06:58 AM            

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@Silver

Alright. But that was years ago. I ceased having those dreams now.

I revisited my Draconic. I have draconic IC in Virgo, that's where my natal mars is positioned. Chiron is in Dr Virgo. DR sun and DR saturn is in Sag, my 12th house.

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posted June 16, 2013 07:17 AM            

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Silver! Tell me more!

What makes you say that?

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With a Virgo IC, a 4th House Chiron and a DR Sun and Saturn in 12th House, I see a pattern here.
I believe You gave a lot in your past lives. You've devoted yourself to the service of others on the expense of your own needs. This has caused you great pain and it's likely than the same scenario repeated itself in every lifetime.
There is a deep hidden sense of deprivation, like you are lacking something you can't even decipher.
The result is the you've become cautious when it comes to love and intimacy. You fear being emotionally vulnerable because you instinctively know how painful that could be.
You wear this thick armor around yourself and rarely let anyone through. Your past lives has effected you deeply in this regard.