posted June 16, 2013 07:34 AM            

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Originally posted by its_aqua:
My fourth house is empthy, and I have Virgo on the IC.
I think your theory that the IC represents the home we want matches with me. When I get to leave on my own, the house will be extra ultra super tidy. I really like keeping the house clean, it brings inner peace to me. I also like organising everything in the house, the wardrobes, the clothes, the fridge, throwing staff I dont need away. And I would also like it to be minimal, not very cluttered, as it helps me keep my mind organised. So yeah thats pretty much a Virgoan way of thinking right?

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posted June 16, 2013 08:24 AM            

".....the 4th house is the base of consciousness or the center of our concrete existence. See how the cusp of the 4th house is the I.C., the lowest point on the chart, representative of things below the surface of Earth. Due to that, the 4th house was believed to rule the conditions at the end of life, and graves. As the root or base of your real self, the 4th house rules where you go when you "die" but also where you came from. For those who believe in reincarnation, the 4th house would give clues to your karmic lesson for this lifetime. It shows what karmic baggage you brought with you into this life. Even if you don't believe in reincarnation, you're likely to be surprised by what you find in your 4th house for it may move your soul.

posted June 16, 2013 08:28 AM            

" In astrology the water houses are frequently mentioned as the Karmic houses and that planets located here indicate the lessons that the individual is working on. The Fourth, Eighth and Twelfth
houses compel us to deal with the debts of former incarnations.

The 4th House: This is the house of our family karma, our lineage; it is the foundation that the chart is
built upon and as such also represents the conditions leading to the ending of matters. Planets in
this house signify entering the subconscious and changing past habit and /or lineage patterns.

Possible Past Life Professions For the Signs & Planets
By Ingrid Jeffries

Aries or Mars: Military personnel, the soldier, law enforcement, weapons experts, sportsman,
pioneer, surgeon
Impulsiveness and willfulness may be the cause of past self-undoing

Taurus or Venus: Artisans, musicians, designers, bankers, accountants, farmers, architects,
merchants, ranchers
Physical comforts and sensual pleasures may be the cause of past self-undoing

Gemini or Mercury: Teacher, author, messenger, courier, journalist, public speaker, scholar,
salesman, clerks, courier, linguists, bards
Curiosity and irresponsible communication (gossip) may be the cause of past self-undoing

Cancer or the Moon: Patriot, historian, genealogist, chef, homemaker, shopkeeper, landlord,
caretakers, nurses, fishermen, sailors, tavern owners, sea captains
Emotional insecurity and difficulty in releasing old pain and rejection may cause of past self-undoing

Leo or the Sun: Rulers, royalty, politicians, leaders, entertainers, gamblers, jewelers, theater
owners, gold mine owners, storytellers
Excessive pride and ego may be causes of past self-undoing

Virgo or Mercury: Teaching, writing, critic, doctor engineer, craftsman, animal trainer or breeder,
beekeeper, domestic servant, tailor, librarian, healer, herbalist, weavers
Excessive worry, nagging or criticism may be cause of past self-undoing

Libra or Venus: Artist, musician, designer, model, consort, diplomat, attorney, dressmaker, milliner,
juggler, hairdresser
A strong desire for beauty, wealth, or luxury may be cause of past self-undoing

Scorpio or Pluto: Detective, criminologist, revolutionary, chemist, surgeon, psychologist,
archeologist, mortician, cemetery work, spy, psychic
Buried resentments and secret love affairs may be the cause of past self-undoing

Sagittarius or Jupiter: Ministers, philosophers, teachers, explorers, judges, attorneys, horse trainers,
jockeys, bookseller, traders, storytellers
Lofty aspirations and unrealistic expectations may be cause of past self-undoing

Capricorn or Saturn: Politicians, rulers, government service, public administrator, businessperson,
mathematician, entrepreneur, timekeeper, stone mason
Scandal or public disgrace may be the cause of past self-undoing

Aquarius or Uranus: Astronomer, scientist, inventor, revolutionary, aviator, lecturer, humanitarian,
astrologer, faith healer
A tendency to be rebellious or disruptive may be the cause of past undoing

posted June 16, 2013 08:45 AM            

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Originally posted by SilverFeather:
With a Virgo IC, a 4th House Chiron and a DR Sun and Saturn in 12th House, I see a pattern here.
I believe You gave a lot in your past lives. You've devoted yourself to the service of others on the expense of your own needs. This has caused you great pain and it's likely than the same scenario repeated itself in every lifetime.
There is a deep hidden sense of deprivation, like you are lacking something you can't even decipher.
The result is the you've become cautious when it comes to love and intimacy. You fear being emotionally vulnerable because you instinctively know how painful that could be.
You wear this thick armor around yourself and rarely let anyone through. Your past lives has effected you deeply in this regard.

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May be that's what I need to work on in this life. NN being in libra? DR NN is in pisces H10, DR SN in libra H4. Am a little confused, shouldn't be in Dr NN be in Aries?

posted June 16, 2013 09:12 AM            

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Originally posted by SilverFeather:
With a Virgo IC, a 4th House Chiron and a DR Sun and Saturn in 12th House, I see a pattern here.
I believe You gave a lot in your past lives. You've devoted yourself to the service of others on the expense of your own needs. This has caused you great pain and it's likely than the same scenario repeated itself in every lifetime.
There is a deep hidden sense of deprivation, like you are lacking something you can't even decipher.
The result is the you've become cautious when it comes to love and intimacy. You fear being emotionally vulnerable because you instinctively know how painful that could be.
You wear this thick armor around yourself and rarely let anyone through. Your past lives has effected you deeply in this regard.

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This somehow applies to me too, though I only have the Virgo IC and not the other placements. I always thought that it's pure selfishness, but maybe it's just plain fear of getting hurt, I haveny been extremely hurt so far, I mean probably just once from an ex boyfriend but still I think I overeact.. Interesting..

Plus, I tottaly feel for your sister. I need everything to be tidy. The car, the place where I work, I always carry around my liquid soap thay doesnt need water to clean my hands. Even when it comes to boyfriends, I have broken up with people who werent clean and tidy enough to meet my standards.
It might sound stupid but if I had to choose between someone clean and tidy and a bit of a douche bag, and someone perfect but not clean I would choose the first one.

posted June 16, 2013 09:29 AM            

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Originally posted by its_aqua:
This somehow applies to me too, though I only have the Virgo IC and not the other placements. I always thought that it's pure selfishness, but maybe it's just plain fear of getting hurt, I haveny been extremely hurt so far, I mean probably just once from an ex boyfriend but still I think I overeact.. Interesting..

Plus, I tottaly feel for your sister. I need everything to be tidy. The car, the place where I work, I always carry around my liquid soap thay doesnt need water to clean my hands. Even when it comes to boyfriends, I have broken up with people who werent clean and tidy enough to meet my standards.
It might sound stupid but if I had to choose between someone clean and tidy and a bit of a douche bag, and someone perfect but not clean I would choose the first one.

So Maybe the IC also represents some qualities we wish to find in our significant other?? But doesnt guarrantee that we'll get on well with the sign itself, I mean I dont get on well with Virgo men for a romantic relationship

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posted June 16, 2013 09:34 AM            

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Originally posted by 12muddy:
I have rx mars in taurus at the end of the 4th house. I definitely like physical comforts and a beautiful, relaxed, cozy and happy home. Plenty of food and sweet treats. I don’t have children but often dream about how I’d dress my kids, brush their hair and spoil them rotten.

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posted June 16, 2013 10:10 AM            

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Originally posted by swampys:
I need to learn how to overcome my childhood so I don't dwell on it for the rest of my life. I don't know what I could have done in a past life to deserve what I had, but I'm ashamed of myself because I must have been Hitler or something.

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posted June 16, 2013 10:19 AM            

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Originally posted by SilverFeather:
Here I found a very interesting but quite long article on Karmic astrology astrorevelations.
Here is the link : http://astrorevelations.blogspot.com/2009/02/karmic-astrology-whispers-in-winds-of.html

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An interesting read Silver. Thank you. I'm very interested in karmic astrology and past lives.

posted June 16, 2013 10:33 AM            

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Originally posted by Jessica2407:
An interesting read Silver. Thank you. I'm very interested in karmic astrology and past lives.

They say old souls come back for a specific purpose.

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I'm glad you enjoyed the article I did too.

After death, souls are actually given a free choice whether to be reborn or not.
Souls which crave to achieve higher spirituality and connection with the universe usually chose to be reincarnated. They can also choose the time, place and era of birth and sometimes even parents and circumstances.

They pass tests and undergo lessons with every lifetime so they can take up a step higher in the spiritual ladder.
One a soul reaches its maximum potential, it will no longer reincarnate.

posted June 16, 2013 10:37 AM            

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[QUOTE]Originally posted by swampys:
[b]I need to learn how to overcome my childhood so I don't dwell on it for the rest of my life. I don't know what I could have done in a past life to deserve what I had, but I'm ashamed of myself because I must have been Hitler or something.

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posted June 16, 2013 10:42 AM            

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Originally posted by SilverFeather:
I'm glad you enjoyed the article I did too.

After death, souls are actually given a free choice whether to be reborn or not.
Souls which crave to achieve higher spirituality and connection with the universe usually chose to be reincarnated. They can also choose the time, place and era of birth and sometimes even parents and circumstances.

They pass tests and undergo lessons with every lifetime so they can take up a step higher in the spiritual ladder.
One a soul reaches its maximum potential, it will no longer reincarnate.

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posted June 16, 2013 10:48 AM            

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Originally posted by Jessica2407:
Somebody told me that it's indicated in a natal chart already if the soul will be reincarnated again after leaving this present life. What do you think?

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posted June 16, 2013 10:55 AM            

He is a vedic astrologer. Am still researching on it.

posted June 16, 2013 11:13 AM            

The link in this thread from starlore.org which describes the ic is very nice!

posted June 16, 2013 11:14 AM            

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Originally posted by Jessica2407:
@ Silver

He is a vedic astrologer. Am still researching on it.

It's got to do with the death karaka planet and how aspected the 12th house ruler is. Death will not occur until and unless the soul has learned all lessons due.

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posted June 16, 2013 11:22 AM            

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Originally posted by sillyme:
This is a link to the thread i had created recently about the ic..http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum24/HTML/219391.html.

The link in this thread from starlore.org which describes the ic is very nice!

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posted June 16, 2013 12:21 PM            

Ok, let's see here.
The karmic houses are the fourth ( IC), the eighth and the twelveth.
The fourth house ( IC) holds the deep emotional baggage that the soul had to carry with it into to the next life.
In a way, this emotional baggage was not resolved/released in the previous life so that's why it gets transmitted to the next one and it will keep doing so until it's finally overcome by the native.

I will give you a simple example.
A painter started working on a painting. It was half-way done and he died.
Now comes another painter who is asked/assigned to finish this painting.
This new painter has to understand the previous work of the dead painter and his purpose so he can finish it.
Once he does, the painting is complete. If does not understand it, he will ruin the painting and will have to start anew.
He will also die and the painting is will also remain half-way done.
Then comes another painter and then another. The same chain/cycle will repeat itself again and again until the painting gets done and complete by one of the many next painters.
That's exactly the same case with the 4th House.
We "inhert" emotional issues/baggage from previous lives. so in every presnet lifetime, we are assigned with the task of overcoming those " emotional issues" and of ceasing their repetition.

Unlike the two other houses, issues with the 4th house/ IC remain subconscious since the they are placed within the darkest and lowest area in the birth chart.

Now, You have North Node in the 4th house. That's mean that's your soul purpose is to resolve the issues regarding this house in order to move forward in your life.
With Pluto close to the IC, you've " inherited" issues of Plutorian nature from former past lives. That could be abuse of power, extreme feelings or attitudes toward others, jealousy, envy, hatred, aloofness, selfishness, bitterness and so much more. Theoretically speaking, I'd say you could've been a victim of a traumatic experience in a past life such as rape or physical abuse. Or you could've been the one who did it to someone else. Both cases are possible.
Now you have to let go of all these negative feelings and adapt the positive atributes of Plutorian energy, attributes such as strength, endurance, empathy, depth, healing, powerful intellect and loyalty .
You need to learn to love and appreciate yourself. You must stop being hard in yourself, life isn't all about pain, darkness and gloominess. There is a beauty in the simply act/state of being alive. Embrace it and breath it. Learn to love life, the feeling will liberate you.

Fortunately for you, Pluto is at 27° degree. Your soul is getting closer in its quest of resolving past this life issue. In another lifetime or two, you won't have to deal with it anymore and Karma will reward you.

Now Saturn, the lord of Karma, is sitting in your 7th House. That means that you are in this lifetime stuck with Karmic romantic relationships and enemies whom you failed to learn from in previous lives.
With Saturn here, you need to work on your relationships with others and in the way you perceive them. Give people a chance to get to know you, be more open to the world. You never know who will cross your path and what lesson he or she could teach you.

The eighth house is empty, its ruler Mars is in the sixth house of work, routine and health. This possibly means that you had encountered significant conflicts within your work environment in a past life, specially with bosses/authority figures. There could have been a lot of tension, heated arguments and maybe even violence.
You were probably prone to fevers and headaches which resulted from hard working conditions. Or you could've worked with arms and weapons, something war-related.

Regarding your twelveth house, you have Moon in there at a critical degree of 29°. This is apparently your last chance at resolving the karmic test concerning this planet.
With Moon here, you could've had issues in past lives with mothers or the simple act of nutruting others, whether materially or emotionally.
It's possible that you weren't caring enough toward your family/those who matter to you or you could've been too caring for your own good.It works both ways.
One of my friends has this placement, she used to be a nun in her past life.

posted June 16, 2013 01:06 PM            

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Originally posted by SilverFeather:
Outstanding article.
I've always felt that the IC is the most underestimated angle in Astrological works.
I'm happy to see that someone else noticed its importance as well.

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