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Ami Anne
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posted September 26, 2020 07:43 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
When the ASC is very different from the rest of the chart, I call it "fake outs". The person is not trying to be fake but they ARE very different. One example is a water ASC and no water in the rest of the chart.

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posted September 26, 2020 08:05 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Dumuzi     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
i have this to some degree, people are generally really shocked when they get to know me in person and learn about my drug history and life etc

makes me feel like there's a portrait of me somewhere that reflects everything that's gone on

at my last job a chick i worked with was shocked to see my light a cigarette and a different coworker said i was "too good to smoke" when someone else offered me a cigarette

can't imagine what they wouldve thought if they knew about the heroin and everything else

don't look my age either, people think i'm significantly younger

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Ami Anne
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posted September 26, 2020 08:17 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Another thing can be a Pluto conj the ASC and a gentle moon like Pisces. People think they get a cop and they get a kitten.

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posted October 08, 2020 03:33 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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posted October 08, 2020 05:16 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Travelman     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
My Cap rising is square Aries moon but I always feel moon trine Sag venus/neptune helps a lot, but often battling with moon square Cap mars. (Rising also has two other positive aspects))

GF also has

Cap Moon opp Cancer rising (but her Taurus sun trine moon/moon sextile Pisces mars, sun sextile mars helps a lot as well as sun sextile rising,)

I wonder if these tough aspects we both have between rising and moon bond us somehow.

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posted October 15, 2020 03:54 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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posted October 27, 2020 07:03 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for kani     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Aries23Degrees:
Squares/oppositions to Suns/Asc/Moon or Mars I think. This because the 3 are the holy trinity of "identity". Whilst Marsis the archetype extension of the Asc imo.

If the squares/opp is from Plu/Nep, the layers run deep. This too the conjunction.

With the two above, one can feel like tjey didn't know the other AT ALL.


Agree with this. Pluto squares my ASC/DSC axis as well as my moon which is conjunct the ASC and which rules it as well. i also have neptune square the sun and mars (albeit a wider degree). People told me numerous times that I'm hard to figure out although I do come across very open at the same time.

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posted October 28, 2020 05:56 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Sauerkraut     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
neptune in 1st makes me mirror people automatically. sun in 4th makes me super private so i tend to not correct strangers or acquaintances when they have the wrong view of me. uranus in 12th makes me an undercover weirdo. people tend to think im light and carefree with sag rising, but im very dark. maybe scorpio psyche in 12th?

i would say people with an ascendant that is different from their true core values are probably the hardest to read. also a lot of it is probably from superficial projections from our own life experiences.

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posted October 28, 2020 07:51 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
No, the person really is showing something different than they truly are when the ASC is very different from the rest of the chart.

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posted October 28, 2020 09:20 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Sauerkraut     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
not sure what you are “no”ing about. my opinion was about core values being different and not “very different from the rest of the chart”.

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posted October 28, 2020 12:44 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for GalacticCoreExplosion     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
People that are faster vibratory than the average, tend to be hard for other people to read/understand/perceive clearly.

Astrologically and metaphysically speaking:

Most people, most of the time resonate between Centers/glands/"chakras" 1 through 5, and even 5 is on the outskirts of the average. The majority are more so within 1 through 4 much of the time, and a majority of those are more so within 1 through 3 most of the time.

People may have temporary phasings into the faster vibratory centers/glands like the thyroid (5th), pineal (6th center), and/or pituitary (7th center, but these are usually brief and come as little moments of seeming enlightened like perception flashes/knowings/perception. But relatively few people are very strongly and consistently attuned to these levels within self (especially 6th and most especially 7th).

You have to understand the great Law of Creation from a very holistic place to understand all of this and all these reactions. That Law can be summed up in, "Like attracts, begets, resonates with, and likes Like". This is on the deeper, Soul, energetic levels. Conversely, unlike tends to repel and the more unlike on the deeper levels, the stronger this is.

At the same time, the faster the vibrational level of the consciousness involved, the more attuned to real/true Love. The more attuned to real Love, the more inclusive, tolerant, patient, Universal oriented, etc a consciousness becomes. So a very fast vibratory consciousness can easily perceive, understand, accept a slower vibratory consciousness.

But because the slower vibratory consciousness has not yet reached, consciously, the vibrational level of the faster vibratory consciousness, they literally have a hard time perceiving them in an accurate and true to essence kind of way. They tend to project their shadow onto them (either negatively or positively, and we will get to that in a bit).

We can see this with Yeshua and the corrupt religious leaders of his time very strongly. He became a dumping ground for all of their shadow in an intensely negative way. For others, he became a dumping ground for their shadow in a different, seemingly more positive way where he was unduly put on an unreachable pedestal.

Anyways, you see this principles work much more clearly in the nonphysyical, The nonphysical dimensions and general "afterlife" is "ordered/structured" based on vibrational resonance. You phase to the dimension your inner self most strongly vibrates to. If say that is the 4th dimension, you literally cannot perceive the 5th dimension and the consciousnesses in that dimension. You cannot "go" (phase/shift) there, unless you grow to same or more commonly, someone from the 5th dimension or higher, comes into your dimension, helps to temporarily speed up your vibratory rates and temporarily phases you there to give you a glimpse of same.

That temporary glimpse though, might motivate/inspire to work on your growth more so that you can phase to that dimension/level, on your own eventually. When a person of faster/more expanded vibration gives those of slower vibration a glimpse of faster vibration and inspires them to move in that direction--this is called "retrieval". Retrieval is happening all the time in all dimensions/all levels. The only ones who don't need any "retrieval" are those who are fully phased to the core of Source and to pure Love. For them, existence is not about learning or remembering anymore, it's now solely about service/retrieval and co, joyful, creation.

Astrologically, this relates to the symbols of Neptune (6th center), Jupiter (6th), Sun (beginning of 7th Center attunement), and Arcturus (developing of 7th Center attunement). If one of these is predominant in chart, and especially if two or more are very strong simultaneously, (and of course with the caveat that the person is actually living up to the probable potential of their natal) most people will tend to have a hard time perceiving that person clearly and accurately. People will tend to project various things onto that person, which may not be true at all, but which may relate to their own repressed/supressed shadow.

The more difference in the vibration between the two people, the more extreme this can and may get. So if a narcissistic, malignant narcissistic, sociopathic, and/or psychopathic type personality is interacting with such a person, it can get very ugly. The faster vibratory person can become an object of intense, intense dislike and even burning rage and hate. (Cue Yeshua and the Pharisees etc again).

Conversely, people that are of somewhat faster vibration than the average, may come upon the unusually faster vibratory person, and may have the opposite, but related reaction. They may unnecessarily put that person on a pedestal--an unrealistic and bloody awkward pedestal. It's still a lack of clear perception and equality. They are projecting positive traits of their shadow onto that person. The shadow is only our unconsicous, and it contains both limiting/negative, and believe it or not, also positive aspects depending. Most people though, most of the time, most often suppress what we typically call negative and difficult energies though.

People of more middle or average vibration will just tend to ignore and not be interested in the unusually fast vibratory person on average. It's like they don't even really "see" them anyways. It ranges from a kind of "meh" reaction to a mildly irked/annoyed.

People with Souls of unusually fast vibration tend to experience a lot of bullying throughout grade school, especially if they are quiet, shy, introverted or the like. Others, become energetic chameleons for awhile, where they literally adjust their vibratory rates up and (mostly) down according to the people they are interacting with. This allows them to fit in better and be more liked, but takes a bit of a toll on their Soul. After grade school, these types may go through a very introverted period to try to get in touch with their true nature as is. These types are often those with Neptune predominant, or very strong.

When people have strong Neptune, Jupiter, Solar aspects, but simultaneously, these symbols are not strong in a conscious, immediate way (i.e. not Angular or strongly connected to the Angles), then this is when people tend to see the more neutral or negative expressions of these symbols. I.e. Neptune becomes associated with deception, lying, etc, and Jupiter with general expansion, even of negative traits.

But understand this, most individuals with say Neptune or Jupiter in the 1st, relatively near the ASC, etc, but who are not particularly positive or Love attuned people, have likely started off as older Souls, but their corresponding personality has become warped by exposure to Earth and to various traumas or the like. This does and can happen even to older Souls.

I talked about an ex with Neptune in the 1st very closely square highlighted Saturn, and how she was a pathological liar (which of course is very harmful). The weird thing is that her Soul is a somewhat older/more developed Soul. But being more psychically sensitive than the average, something happened to her where she allowed herself (unconsciously) to become over influenced by negative nonphysicals and/or ET's (and that could just be through alcohol or the like). And this, over time, has had a warping effect on her.

Others when they go through childhood trauma or abuse, can turn cynical, bitter, and lose a sense of self love which leads to a lack of love of others.

This is not an easy place for older Souls to come into. This is ground zero, battleground Earth. Older Souls don't come here lightly, and they come knowing there is definite risk of going off the path of growth. But, even if their personality level does start to get warped, if they came here originally for service and retrieval reasons/purposes, their will still be some Soul growth, though they will have also accumulated karma that their Spirit level will have to deal with at some point.

To sum it up, people of unusually fast vibration have a hard time being clearly and accurately perceived by others, and tend to experience a lot of shadow dumping onto them by others. Astrologically, this is most common when Neptune, Jupiter, Sun, and/or Arcuturus are the strongest/predominant symbol(s) in their chart. Particularly so when in the 1st or strongly connected to the chart ruler.

10th and MC symbols can be quite strong too, but that is more of a "developing towards" pattern. It's usually sometime around the 40's to 50's that a person really starts shifting into those energies more so provided they are on a path of more growth than stagnation or retrogression.

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posted October 29, 2020 11:29 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Sauerkraut     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
galacticcoreexplosion, that was a great read and makes a lot of sense from multiple perspectives.

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posted October 30, 2020 12:33 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for GalacticCoreExplosion     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Sauerkraut:
galacticcoreexplosion, that was a great read and makes a lot of sense from multiple perspectives.

Thank you for letting me know that. It is what I was shooting for. It's taken awhile to come to understand all this and put it into a holistically logical, larger, contextual frame work, grounded in solid metaphysics and logic.

There are of course other reasons for people being misperceived easily or strongly by others.

We could have quite the in depth conversation and discourse about people on the ASPD (i.e sociopathic or psychopathic) spectrum and why and how they are often so magnetic, charming, etc to many people with affective, felt empathy and conscience.

Also quite an interesting topic that I have done some original thinking/perceiving on with the help of internal guidance. Clue, it's all about hyper charged 1, 2, and 3rd Centers and powerful resonation with the physical bodies and ego level of us normies and how that has a strong effect on our perception in distorting same.

It's like coming into a powerful cloud of super dark red energy, and especially your 1st and 2 Centers getting a charge from their field, which causes hyper arousal in you sexually and/or shadow wise. Your logic and intuition goes right out the window, overtaken by primal, primitive, unconscious reactions.

It's the opposite of what unusually old/mature Souls have the effect of on people within the more average spectrum of consciousness.

Ironically, people on the ASPD spectrum tend to be more attractive to and well liked by a greater amount of people than do unusually mature Souls. Usually the ones who have a negative reaction to them and see through them, are the unusually mature Souls/individuals. They sense/feel the lack of attunement to Love, and all the very slow vibration, and they are too strong/centered to get resonated in their slower vibratory Centers.

It's why Yeshua and Yohannan the Baptist sometimes referred to the corrupt religious leaders of their time, aka ASPD types, as
brood of Vipers. Calling to mind that base energy and reptilian brain part of us (and possibly a covert reference to a negative ET group and it's meddling in relation to humans).

Edit to add--and now we can understand all the various negative gurus, cult leaders, politicians, salespeople, lawyers, CEO's, and other negatively intentioned con artists out there that dupe, manipulate, and yet attract so many people. It's like, WTF humans, when are you going to learn and stop falling for the same old song and dance?!

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posted November 03, 2020 08:53 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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