posted October 16, 2013 06:51 PM            

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Originally posted by I'm so cappy:
SSS, my condolences

Barbie, I'm trying to learn astrology and I'm looking for patterns behind everything. Why would this be an exception?

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posted October 16, 2013 07:01 PM            

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Originally posted by StarlightSmileSupreme:

Libras and Pisces are two signs that favor marriage. Cancer, Sagittarius and Taurus, too. Virgo in some cases. Many, many Virgos like to marry so maybe it's more to do with Saturn aspecting something in Virgo than just plain old Virgo itself?

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posted October 16, 2013 07:05 PM            

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Originally posted by Violets:
Really? I never thought of Pisces or Virgo being particularly inclined to marry...what do you think would be responsible for my long-held refusal? I mean, I am obviously married now, but that didn't happen until I was 35 years old, lol.

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posted October 16, 2013 07:12 PM            

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Originally posted by StarlightSmileSupreme:

What are Saturn and Uranus doing in your chart? Certain factors could indicate independence besides Virgo and Pisces. From what I have seen of both of these signs they like to have a partner and family but Taurus is the worst.

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Saturn and Uranus do plenty in my chart...

Saturn is in Cancer/11th conjunct the asteroid Destinn, trine my Sun, and at the apex of a Yod involving Neptune and Mercury at the base.
It's also square Pluto.

Uranus is in Scorpio conjunct my IC, trine my Sun/Lilith, and sextile my Moon.

posted October 16, 2013 08:45 PM            

Okay, personally I'd want to get married if I met the right guy.

I'm a Capricorn Sun, Cancer Moon, with Sagittarius Asc, Venus, Mercury, and Neptune, and Mars in Leo.

My Venus is at 29 Sagittarius, trine Saturn at 00 Virgo, and opposite Jupiter at 00 Cancer. I've got a super-tight Jupiter/Saturn sextile, and then Venus comes along and opposes Jupiter and trines Saturn. It's out-of-sign but I feel it strongly!

I'm like a good example of the opposite of not wanting to get married! Lol.

I like security and knowing where I stand. And I see the value in making marriage vows and honoring them.

I guess a stereotypical placement for someone who personally doesn't want to get married might be Uranus in hard aspect to Venus or 7th house ruler. Or something like that.

The thing is though, people might change their attitudes regarding getting married or not over the course of their lives, depending on who they meet and what experiences they have.

It's not like we can look at a natal chart and know for sure what that person is going to want to do.

posted October 16, 2013 08:50 PM            

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Originally posted by Violets:
Saturn and Uranus do plenty in my chart...

Saturn is in Cancer/11th conjunct the asteroid Destinn, trine my Sun, and at the apex of a Yod involving Neptune and Mercury at the base.
It's also square Pluto.

Uranus is in Scorpio conjunct my IC, trine my Sun/Lilith, and sextile my Moon.

I kind of figured it was Uranus and my Aqua in 7th. Do you think that's it?

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posted October 16, 2013 08:52 PM            

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Originally posted by Lotis White:

I guess a stereotypical placement for someone who personally doesn't want to get married might be Uranus in hard aspect to Venus or 7th house ruler. Or something like that.

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this is accurate for me. Mercury rules my 7th house, and it's squares uranus exactly. It's actually the tightest aspect I have in my chart..

posted October 16, 2013 09:02 PM            

7th house ruler squares sun, moon, mercury, and venus, and my ascendant.

I like stability I don't mind living with someone but I just do not want to be legally bound to a person...

posted October 16, 2013 09:36 PM            

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Originally posted by Lotis White:

The thing is though, people might change their attitudes regarding getting married or not over the course of their lives, depending on who they meet and what experiences they have.

It's not like we can look at a natal chart and know for sure what that person is going to want to do.

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posted October 17, 2013 01:42 PM            

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Originally posted by Violets:
I'm just kind of wondering why people are commenting on this thread if they're strongly in favor of marriage. The title of the thread is "PEOPLE WHO DON'T WANT TO GET MARRIED". I'm not exactly sure what was lost in translation there.

I wouldn't even entertain the thought for most of my adult life, so I decided to add my two cents regarding my placements here.

So...maybe there should be a thread started for people who REALLY, REALLY think that everyone should get married (or something to that effect).

Gahhh! You guys have all made me grumpy, and I want brain bleach now, please.

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This.

Also, this "Marriage takes away the air of temporariness that hangs over a relationship. It tells you that someone, at least for the foreseeable future, has decided that you are the one, that they are no longer open to 'better' offers, that they no longer have one eye on the window in case they see a more attractive prospect outside" is the exact same thing you get from moving in with someone. You can't just up and leave when you share a lease with someone, when you share responsibilities. You can't just bring some random home to bang because your significant other is there. Marriage no longer means what it once did. And if a man is truly naive enough to think that just because a woman said "I do" that he has been chosen for life then clearly such a man isn't aware that 60% of divorces are initiated by women, nor has he ever heard the phrase "starter marriage." Nor is he aware that the multi-billion dollar wedding industry is a woman's chance to have "her day in the sun," throw a big party and be the centre of attention. It's all about her and her chance to prove to the world that SHE was chosen, that she's worth it and special. The relationship itself is usually secondary.

I don't believe risk-taking is a virtue, nor do I believe commercialization of commitment (average wedding is 28 grand) is a virtue. I think making that commitment everyday even when, as a woman, you DON'T have a very valuable piece of rock on your hand to feel glamorous as an incentive is a lot more virtuous.

posted October 17, 2013 02:34 PM            

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Originally posted by YoursTrulyAlways:

But don't ever consider having children without both parents present and under a less-than-happy household. Children suffer under a single parent family.

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posted October 17, 2013 02:43 PM            

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Originally posted by Aquacheeka:
Oh, and I have 5 fixed sign placements and a fixed ascendant. Nobody can question my ability to commit. Marriage isn't commitment anymore though, it's a status symbol. Different game altogether.

I hope I never get proposed to.

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posted October 17, 2013 02:48 PM            

Marriage does not guarantee commitment or fidelity. Thinking that it does would imply that you never read the news and have never met anyone who has been divorced.

Marriage is not a status symbol. If people think it is, and that's why they want to get married <insert ski instructor from South Park voice> "You're gonna have a bad time".

It hasn't become "uncool" or "unfashionable" to be married. It's a choice. Some people choose it, some don't. Many people choose it for seemingly inane reasons, which probably explains the drop in popularity. Not everyone sees it as a necessity in life.

Also, the assumption that everyone's goal is to get married and settle down died out around 1985.

Not being married does not by any means make a relationship any less meaningful or significant, or "valid".

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Not everyone who has decided to get married is some sort of simpering, vapid idiot with their head in the clouds, wandering around romanticizing the ideals of marriage.

Not everyone who chooses to get married does so out of fear or ego.

See how that works?
Not everything is so effing extreme.

posted October 17, 2013 02:58 PM            

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Originally posted by StarlightSmileSupreme:
My definition of marriage is not so rigid as some. My state counts common law as the real deal since there's so much of it so I am willing to say married folks is anyone who has lived together longer than three months so long as they are not just roommates or something like that. They have to live like an actual married couple. Even if they say they are just bf/gf or are engaged, if they live together and are doing all the things married people do, they are married. This is how my state views it.

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posted October 17, 2013 03:31 PM            

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Originally posted by Kerosene:
what states have that law? 0_0

I agree living together is like a marriage anyways.

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posted October 17, 2013 05:03 PM            

Should I blame my stance on my Aqua Venus?

posted October 17, 2013 05:07 PM            

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Originally posted by Kerosene:
what states have that law? 0_0

I agree living together is like a marriage anyways.

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posted October 22, 2013 04:19 PM            

Totally outside the realm of marriage, but I have known for some considerable time that I'm domestically challenged, and I'm completely okay with that.

I like being married to my husband, but it has recently occurred to me that the only reason I stay home all day with my son is so that he and I can benefit from that experience.

If I forced myself to bustle around the house all day like my Virgo grandma did, I would hate life. So I play with my son and read about astrology and herbs all day, hahaha.