posted December 20, 2013 03:14 PM            

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Originally posted by jjj:
As for Venus in hard aspect to Saturn, I see that those people often stay in bad relationships. I was one with my Venus/Saturn opposition and I know at least 3 people w Venus/Saturn square and my sis with Venus/Saturn conjunction how stayed or are staying in bad relationships because they have low self esteem.

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posted December 20, 2013 03:30 PM            

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Originally posted by next to neptune:
Me too, I also know one with sun conjunction saturn really tight, and she also stayed too long in the relationship, even though she has an aqua venus, so I didn't saw that coming. I think this aspect can be even stronger than the sign placement.

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I also know someone with the Saturn/Sun conjunction who hold seems to be holding onto a marriage that isn't very positive for them.

posted December 20, 2013 03:58 PM            

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Originally posted by jjj:
As for Venus in hard aspect to Saturn, I see that those people often stay in bad relationships. I was one with my Venus/Saturn opposition and I know at least 3 people w Venus/Saturn square and my sis with Venus/Saturn conjunction how stayed or are staying in bad relationships because they have low self esteem.

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I have Venus opp Saturn and I would never and have never stayed in a bad relationship and certainly never because of low self esteem, as I don't have low self esteem. I certainly don't just run away from a relationship. I give it the time it requires. But once it turns bad, I won't stay.

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Originally posted by Rosalind:
I would exclude them because I am one with these aspects. I have NEVER settled. I always thought I have low self esteem but people with low self esteem settle for less than they deserve. I am not one of those people. Deep down I love and respect myself. Even if that means to live a single life.

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I'm not sure one person's experience is a reason to exclude or include something. See above. My experience of the Venus/Saturn thing is different than others have written. My experience is also very different from much of what is written about Venus opp Saturn.

posted December 20, 2013 03:58 PM            

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Originally posted by jjj:
As for Venus in hard aspect to Saturn, I see that those people often stay in bad relationships. I was one with my Venus/Saturn opposition and I know at least 3 people w Venus/Saturn square and my sis with Venus/Saturn conjunction how stayed or are staying in bad relationships because they have low self esteem.

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posted December 20, 2013 04:14 PM            

Perhaps more helpful aspects to Venus or Sun from other planets or asteroids?

posted December 20, 2013 04:28 PM            

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Originally posted by StarlightSmileSupreme:
People with Venus and Saturn in hard aspect are cold. We don't really need others for emotional support. We are the least likely to put up with crappy behavior from others. I don't put up with it, nor do I need to.

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posted December 20, 2013 04:32 PM            

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Originally posted by StarlightSmileSupreme:
People with Venus and Saturn in hard aspect are cold. We don't really need others for emotional support. We are the least likely to put up with crappy behavior from others. I don't put up with it, nor do I need to.

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we are cold. i normally blame myself for being cold at some stage in the breaking down prolonging the leaving.

posted December 20, 2013 04:49 PM            

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Originally posted by Violets:
I wonder if the people who have hard Saturn/Venus or Saturn/Sun aspects and do not put up with dysfunctional relationships have other placements that would counteract the negative associations with those placements?

Perhaps more helpful aspects to Venus or Sun from other planets or asteroids?

Just curious.
It's always interesting to see how certain aspects play out for most people, or some people, and then they don't play out that way at all for others.

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Personally, I think it's because of my Jupiter. I have Venus & Jupiter opp Saturn. Jupiter & Venus are not conjunct (11,6 deg orb) but I think that Jupiter gives my Venus & Saturn luck that others with Venus/Saturn opposition might not have.

I've been quickly lucky in love (so far). I only have one 3 year relationship turn sour. I'm quite flexible and accepting but once it started going wrong, I put and end to it. He was going through a tough time and his way of dealing with it was trying to put me down to feel better about himself. Not going to stay with someone like that. You see how they really are when bad things happen in life And I'll never again date a Cancer! LOL.

The only other aspects I have to Venus is that it is conj Asc and semi-sextile to Sun (Sag, H2). Jup/Ven (H1, Scorpio) are the only two aspects to Saturn (H7, Taurus).

Opps, there goes the theory that 7th house placement cause people to stay in bad relationships.

ETA: Sorry, I just looked and Venus is also semi-square Merc & Moon (conj). Honestly, i don't know if any of these aspects help. I'm convinced it's Jupiter. But I also like the other possible interpretations given.

posted December 20, 2013 04:59 PM            

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Originally posted by StarlightSmileSupreme:
With Venus square Saturn, it's basic self reliance. We just look inward for the kind of emotional support others find by reaching out. I think of it as a stoical, meditative aspect. It goes well with sun trine Saturn.

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posted December 20, 2013 05:33 PM            

Saturn in hard aspect to Sun or Moon.
Sun conjunct Venus, Saturn, or Pluto.
Sun/Moon hard aspects.
Unaspected Venus

As I mentioned, it's a combination of at least two of those types of aspects. That's just what I'm seeing so far.

For people who use really wide orbs, my Venus is considered square my Saturn (9 degree orb, I don't count it but some people do).

posted December 20, 2013 06:12 PM            

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Originally posted by jjj:
I am venus/saturn person (opposition) and Im not cold, but very sensitive and inwardly orientated and somehow blocked (not so much any more at the age of 40). I fear rejection very much. I got hurt by someone at the age of 19 and then came along my husband: I was not in love with him, but we had kids and created a family. Soon I fell platonically in love with someone else and then again with someone else.... but I stayed with him for a long time because of kids etc.
Everyone s story is different of course, but I have found Venus/Saturn hard aspect description very true for me. Maybe cappy DC plays a role.

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I'm not cold either. Well, not when I really like someone. I can be cold to people in general. I'm also inwardly oriented and I like being alone. I don't invest too much in people. However, I'm quite social and like to go out. But I need time to recuperate after too much socializing.

My romantic relationships though are very important (Saturn in 7th in Taurus, I guess). I'm happy to have few people in my life and a good, solid BF/Husband/Partner. That's good enough for me. So, if it isn't good, fun, happy, fulfilling, compatible there is no point in me sticking around. Lots of drama, fights, and conflict or someone who is too aloof and "not that into me" and I'm gone.

I don't fear rejection. I don't like it. But I know it's part of life. When I was young my friend's father (an astrologist) told me my Venus in Scorpio would cause men to want to sleep with me but not want to be in a relationship with me. So, I guess I sort of expect that and can suss out guys like that pretty quickly. Also, I often like/want men who don't like/want me back. So, I'm used to that playing out as well.

It's just practice. LOL. I've been rejected enough and yet rejected enough others to just sort of take it as it comes. But I always know there is someone for me just around the corner.

It's not always easy. I recently cried over a guy I got an instant crush on. We only dated a few months yet he touched me deeply for some reason and is very much exactly what I would want in a partner. But I understand that I'm not what he wants. That's life.

posted December 21, 2013 01:06 PM            

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Originally posted by summerlite:
wouldn't it depend on signs for 7th house, venus, saturn?

Fixed put up with everything and would stubbornly stay.
Mutables put up with nothing..
haha i don't know about cardinals. They probably will find a reason to stick around.

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I have Taurus Saturn in the 7th and Venus in Scorpio in the 1st. Those are both fixed. Over all my chart is highly mutable. I'll stay in a relationship. But not a bad relationship.

posted December 21, 2013 01:13 PM            

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Originally posted by LucieLemonade:
I have Taurus Saturn in the 7th and Venus in Scorpio in the 1st. Those are both fixed. Over all my chart is highly mutable. I'll stay in a relationship. But not a bad relationship.

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posted December 21, 2013 01:18 PM            

observed this kind of situation with a lot of them. I got the feeling that many

times they have a saviour complex with the other person and refuse to see any

posted December 21, 2013 01:24 PM            

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Originally posted by DialecticLady:
I guess it could be people with strong neptune/pisces influences going on. I've

observed this kind of situation with a lot of them. I got the feeling that many

times they have a saviour complex with the other person and refuse to see any

flaws or often think they can change someday or any other escapist reason.

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posted December 21, 2013 01:25 PM            

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Originally posted by summerlite:
Pluto in 7th house is similar to Pluto in Libra.

Do you think people with Pluto in Libra squaring a partner's Venus have a tendency to stay in bad relationships as compared to people with Pluto in Scorpios squares?

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posted December 21, 2013 01:42 PM            

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Originally posted by LucieLemonade:
I'm not sure one person's experience is a reason to exclude or include something. See above. My experience of the Venus/Saturn thing is different than others have written. My experience is also very different from much of what is written about Venus opp Saturn.

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posted December 21, 2013 03:02 PM            

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Originally posted by LucieLemonade:
I have Taurus Saturn in the 7th and Venus in Scorpio in the 1st. Those are both fixed. Over all my chart is highly mutable. I'll stay in a relationship. But not a bad relationship.

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posted December 21, 2013 04:14 PM            

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Originally posted by DialecticLady:
Do you have any idea about the reasons it isn't the same with you?

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No. Not really. I said above I think it's Jupiter also opposing Saturn which brings me luck. That's my take on it and I'm sticking to it! I have 4 planets in Sag. Maybe all that Sag makes it easy to run?

But it's hard to say. I've had three "long term" relationships. One was 5 yrs. HS & college. It just ended because it was time. We were kids. Mutual and amicable.

2nd was 3 yrs that I mentioned above. About 2.5 yrs good until we got into a bad situation. We worked for the same company and it closed so we both got laid off. He turned into a complete controlling, emotionally manipulative a$$. It took under 3 months from losing our jobs for us to break up.

Then I was married for 14yrs. It was great. He is really a lovely, lovely person. We also broke up amicably. We are still friends and see each other every week and he still takes care of me. It's just that we are both in different places. It was our Saturn return for both of us! His Saturn is also in his 7th house, also in Taurus.

Besides those relationships I've not "dated" anyone for longer than say 3/4 months. As summerlite says, if I see it's going no where or I see that "he's just not that into me", I move on. Of course sometimes it's the guy is no longer interested. Like my Taurus guy that I pined over not to long ago. And that certainly stings my ego and my Venus gets all broody. But nothing I can do. Can't stay in something the other person doesn't want.