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Topic: Woody Allen and allegations of sexual molestations
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Delilah423
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posted February 03, 2014 08:53 PM
  
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Originally posted by StarlightSmileSupreme:
Are they married?
yes since 1997 according to wikipedia. IP: Logged |
Belage
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posted February 03, 2014 10:00 PM
@Lilithsquared, is that what you do when you're bored? Good for us!  Thank you for the comprehensive list of asteroids! From the list you supplied, I see that Allen has asteroid Child conjunct Valentine in the 8th house... IP: Logged |
StarlightSmileSupreme
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posted February 04, 2014 01:25 AM
I found this article on Soon Yi. She is thought to have had some kind of disability in youth and received college degrees only because tutors helped her along. Here's the article: http://soul-wisdom.blogspot.com/2014/02/woody-allen-married-his-own-mentally.html
This is what her childhood tutor says about her:
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Dr. Audrey Seiger, the learning and reading disabilities specialist who tutored Soon-Yi throughout her childhood, described her as "a typical L.D. [learning disabled] kid,
very socially inappropriate, very, very naïve. . . She has trouble processing information, trouble understanding language on an inferential level. She’s very, very literal and flat in how she interprets what she sees and how she interprets things socially. She misinterprets situations.”
What you should do, instead of proclaiming Woodie Allen has been victimized, is think about what happened in the case of Soon Yi. When the adoption agency placed her with a family, they entered an agreement to provide her with a loving, nurturing family and stable, functional environment which she didn't have as an orphan. Instead of this happening, she grew up and married one of the people that was supposed to supply the stable, nurturing environment.
Now take this out of Hollywood and think about it in your own lives. You know a couple, and they decide to adopt a child from overseas, so they find an agency, go through the screenings, pass, then they leave, pick up their new baby, get home, raise it.
18 years later, the guy who raised the adopted baby suddenly declares he is leaving with her and they will marry (this child isn't even mentally handicapped.)
Just imagine if you were a friend or related to this couple and the father did this. What would you say? Would you call this man a victim? He totally betrayed the trust of his adopted daughter, his wife, the adoption agency and everyone else involved placing her in that home. Regardless of any child custody case what Allen did with his adopted daughter was reprehensible. It only shows he's a low life without much character. IP: Logged |
Belage
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posted February 04, 2014 03:02 AM
^^^ I think we've already established that Soon-Yi was not Allen's adopted daughter. She was the adopted daughter of the woman he was having a long term relationship with.I know, I know. For me, it's morally the same thing, but I guess for him and those who support him, it's not. Anyway, not sure what to believe about Soon Yi's intellectual capacities. I would have loved to see her chart, though. ------------------
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StarlightSmileSupreme
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posted February 04, 2014 03:22 AM
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Originally posted by Belage:
^^^ I think we've already established that Soon-Yi was not Allen's adopted daughter. She was the adopted daughter of the woman he was having a long term relationship with.I know, I know. For me, it's morally the same thing, but I guess for him and those who support him, it's not. Anyway, not sure what to believe about Soon Yi's intellectual capacities. I would have loved to see her chart, though.
They will say anything to avoid legal responsibility. Technically it's his adopted daughter and you don't treat an adoption agency like a bridal one. Not the same thing by far and that's pretty much what he did in this case.
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Bluejay
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posted February 04, 2014 06:31 AM
I'm not suggesting that children NEVER make false abuse allegations, but the child should ALWAYS be given the benefit of the doubt. Most child molesters are not the shifty-eyed pervert in the trenchcoat, luring children with candy in the park. Most child molesters are a parent, teacher, neighbor, someone whom the child trusts. They are master manipulators, and they often groom their victims to think that the abuse is acceptable behavior. Most abuse goes unreported, and we ALL know people who have been molested that don't talk about it. Many people don't even tell their spouses, and it's one of the few crimes where the victim feels ashamed. That's why I'm inclined to believe the accusations. This story really strikes a nerve with me. My father is a child molester. He has a spotless criminal record despite having countless victims. He's had charges brought against him, but they never stuck due to lack of evidence. He molested my older half sister at the age of 12, after raising her as his own daughter for years. He also had a child with a 15 year old girl when he was nearly 45. A fact that he will deny until his dying day, although they are still together over 30 years later. It's not romantic star-crossed lovers, it's sick! Our families knew each other and she even babysat me as an infant. Their son is just 13 months younger than me. Growing up everyone thought we were twins, and I distinctly remember the raised eyebrows when I would tell them we weren't even related. He still has the nerve to deny it's his son! I've seen recent pictures of their grandchildren, and it's heartbreaking. Their pain shows in their eyes. I believe that she is involved, or at the very least turns a blind eye to the abuse to stay with my dad. That's what happens when a young woman's self worth is destroyed by a deviant sexual predator. Child abuse is cyclical, the abused often become the abuser. I don't know why people fail to understand this when it comes to sexual abuse. Just like verbal and physical abuse, if the abuse is not acknowledged and dealt with, the pattern of abuse is likely to continue. My dad is the most charming man, and was granted joint custody, even though the judge was aware of the abuse allegations. His level of denial is astonishing! He cannot face the monster in the mirror, and claims he's a victim of false accusations. He's such a good liar, he believes his own lies. I cut my dad out of my life over 20 years ago, but I did try to get him to get help. I think he's beyond help, since he seems to be able to convince himself and everyone else of his innocence. Woody Allen has a public image to uphold, so he's going to deny any allegations. I'm sure even if there was evidence he would claim it was falsified to destroy him. I'm seeing a pattern here. The fact that he was never married to Mia, or that his now wife was not his adopted daughter does not change the fact that it is very inappropriate. Woody does not see their marriage as being a scandal, showing his altered sense of reality. Interesting that my dad was born in January 1936, a little over a month after Woody. Also, when I was 17 my Mom's boyfriend propositioned me that when I turned 18 he wanted to have a relationship with me. He was obsessed, but was trying to avoid a jail sentence, so he was waiting until I was of legal age. He was not married to my mom, nor was he a father figure to me, but that does not negate the major creep factor!!! He was a pervert. My mom is horrible at picking men! Dylan needs to be given the benefit of the doubt here, not Woody!!! Innocent until proven guilty, yes, but many are accusing Mia of coaxing Dylan to make false claims. Where is her presumption of innocence? IP: Logged |
Orange
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posted February 04, 2014 10:47 AM
Jamie Weinstein, senior editor of the Daily Caller, said that there was a six-month study at the time of first accusation, and experts came to the conclusion that Dylan had not been molested. Dylan was interviewed nine times, and Allen took and passed a lie detector test. Mia Farrow did not take a lie detector test.Kelly pointed out that Allen’s defenders say Dylan believes that she was molested, but that she may wrongly believe it. They say she have been manipulated by her mother. So, end of story... the whole thing was thoroughly investigated the first time around and Woody was cleared. IP: Logged |
summerlite
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posted February 04, 2014 11:41 AM
Yes Woody has Valentine-Child cjt in his natal chart. But it doesn't mean it as literally as you think that it means child predator since you are thinking with bias. It can mean true love to him is loving his inner child. It can also mean he loves kids or people who are simple as kids. Or it can mean it takes loving kids to learn what's true love.The strange thing is Mia's Venus cjt his Valentine-Child and yet their relationship didn't work out. Ever wondered why? I just notice Mia's Sun-Dejanira cjts his Moon-Ophelia. It seems to be she could be someone constantly victimizing herself and drove Woody nuts reminding him of "Ophelia". I found Woody's Moon-Ophelia interesting and a brief reading on his wiki seemed to show that it stems from his poor relationship with his mother. Mia also has Mercury- Persephone-Prosperina. That's like crazy. I checked that she has 15 kids. Her move to shame Woody could very well be because of child custody for Dylan. You never know. IP: Logged |
StarlightSmileSupreme
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posted February 04, 2014 12:16 PM
Right and all that marriage stuff to Soon Yi? If that never happened, I'd believe you. It wasn't to shame him. It was because of his relationship with his adopted daughter, dubious to say the least and entirely inappropriate.
Anyway, he managed to finagle his way out of all of it. He's not a victim of anything but his own corrupt ways and bad judgment.
No one shamed him as much as he did himself just by doing what he did. Most people do not think highly of that kind of behavior.IP: Logged |
Delilah423
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posted February 04, 2014 01:42 PM
"Technically it's his adopted daughter and you don't treat an adoption agency like a bridal one." Baloney. Mia adopted Soon-Yi with her husband Andre Previn long before she was involved with Woody Allen. Woody Allen never married Mia. He never lived with Mia and her children, and supposedly never spent the night in their home. I'm not saying it wasn't a betrayal of Mia, and more than a little skeevy to take up with her adopted daughter, but you need to get your facts straight. Soon-Yi is not, and was not, his adopted daughter or his step-daughter. She was the adopted daughter of his non-live-in girlfriend. IP: Logged |
StarlightSmileSupreme
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posted February 04, 2014 01:46 PM
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Originally posted by Delilah423:
"Technically it's his adopted daughter and you don't treat an adoption agency like a bridal one." Baloney. Mia adopted Soon-Yi with her husband Andre Previn long before she was involved with Woody Allen. Woody Allen never married Mia. He never lived with Mia and her children, and supposedly never spent the night in their home. I'm not saying it wasn't a betrayal of Mia, and more than a little skeevy to take up with her adopted daughter, but you need to get your facts straight. Soon-Yi is not, and was not, his adopted daughter or his step-daughter. She was the adopted daughter of his non-live-in girlfriend.
All I can say is who cares about all that? What he did was sleazy no matter what you think. He should not have taken advantage of his non-live-in-girl-friend's mentally- handicapped-adopted-daughter. To be honest I was so disgusted when I heard she was mentally handicapped I stopped paying attention because I knew he would just get away with his disgusting behavior and I didn't want to know about it. None of these little details make any of this appropriate behavior and if you think they do, then maybe you should get some counseling :s
Because they DON'T.
It's a sleaze bag thing to do. End of.
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Delilah423
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posted February 04, 2014 01:49 PM
A learning disability (if she had/has one) and mental handicap are not the same thing. By any stretch of the imagination.IP: Logged |
StarlightSmileSupreme
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posted February 04, 2014 01:52 PM
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Originally posted by Delilah423:
A learning disability (if she had/has one) and mental handicap are not the same thing. By any stretch of the imagination.
Oh yes they are! Read what her tutor said. You are just making excuses it's really pathetic you cannot see this for what it is. IP: Logged |
Delilah423
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posted February 04, 2014 01:57 PM
A personal attack (with you thinking you can read my mind and know what I think or believe about this situation?) because I state a few facts? Wow!!!You are 100% wrong about the definition of learning disability and mental handicap. But I'm not going to waste my time explaining it further, since you obviously don't care. IP: Logged |
Catalina
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posted February 04, 2014 02:00 PM
Mia was 21 when she married Sinatra, old enough to be her father and a friend of her mother's. She got pregnant with Previn while he was married elsewhere, and he is Almost old enough to be her father too...so ley's not think these are conventional people with conventional morals. SoonYi was around 20 when she got together with Allen, hardly pedophiliac.To get at the truth or even close one has to suspend one's personal judgements of their lifestyles... IP: Logged |
StarlightSmileSupreme
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posted February 04, 2014 02:02 PM
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Originally posted by Delilah423:
A personal attack (with you thinking you can read my mind and know what I think or believe about this situation?) because I state a few facts? Wow!!!You are 100% wrong about the definition of learning disability and mental handicap. But I'm not going to waste my time explaining it further, since you obviously don't care.
There was no personal attack. I did not attack you. I just said it's pathetic making excuses and not seeing the behavior for what it is. This is not attacking you, just the fact people cannot see it. IP: Logged |
StarlightSmileSupreme
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posted February 04, 2014 02:05 PM
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Mia was 21 when she married Sinatra, old enough to be her father and a friend of her mother's. She got pregnant with Previn while he was married elsewhere, and he is Almost old enough to be her father too...so ley's not think these are conventional people with conventional morals. SoonYi was around 20 when she got together with Allen, hardly pedophiliac.To get at the truth or even close one has to suspend one's personal judgements of their lifestyles...
She adopted the child and agreed to provide a nurturing, functional, stable home. I agree the morals are sad in Hollywood and agencies should screen out these people but they won't when money is involved.
And if you don't think lifestyle is a factor in deciding adoptions...try adopting a baby in the US. It's one of the most difficult things to do. They scrutinize everything! That's why people like Mia Farrow look elsewhere.
Like it or not, lifestyle is and should be a factor because, again, it's about trust. The agency is trusted to find the most stable, nurturing, loving home it can. IP: Logged |
Catalina
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posted February 04, 2014 02:10 PM
Dyslexia is a learning disability, not a mental handicap. IP: Logged |
StarlightSmileSupreme
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posted February 04, 2014 02:19 PM
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Originally posted by Catalina:
Dyslexia is a learning disability, not a mental handicap.
I have not read anywhere that's what she has and if you have and the info sites Woody Allen as the source, I wouldn't believe that's all especially when it is well known Soon Yi had more profound handicaps and might not be capable of consenting. You are never going to hear any of this from Woody Allen he has absolutely no interest in admitting in any of it. It would only hurt his case, so why would he. You will never get the truth. IP: Logged |
Belage
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posted February 04, 2014 02:22 PM
May this serve as a gentle reminder to keep the posts astrologically related. I don't want this thread to be closed. Thank you. IP: Logged |
StarlightSmileSupreme
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posted February 04, 2014 02:25 PM
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Originally posted by Belage:
May this serve as a gentle reminder to keep the posts astrologically related. I don't want this thread to be closed. Thank you.
Well in that case, you could say he's a sociopath. Look at his Sun and Mars.
And then look at Venus. IP: Logged |
VenusDiSirius
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posted February 04, 2014 02:39 PM
An astrological witch hunt!!! Joy!!! Do his H12 & H10 rulers receive hard aspects? Either natally (transits) or in progressions? tSaturn could be in Sq to his pSun (H12 ruler), that can be telling. Not necessarily guilty but it should be compared to the period of the first investigation, what was Saturn doing back then. Maybe it's a closure. IP: Logged |
VenusDiSirius
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posted February 04, 2014 02:39 PM
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StarlightSmileSupreme
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posted February 04, 2014 02:45 PM
An afflicted Sun/Jupiter/Mercury conjunction in Sag.
In his eyes he's right he can do no wrong and he most likely has a persecution complex. Probably thinks he's a genius, too. IP: Logged |
VenusDiSirius
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posted February 04, 2014 02:51 PM
Aww, whatever happened to innocent until proved guilty.. He's genius at what he does. IP: Logged |
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