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Belage
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posted February 03, 2014 02:05 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Belage     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Woody Allen is on the news again! His estranged daugther Dylan has publicly accused him of sexual molestation in a major newspaper. So I thought it was a good time to look up his chart. What I saw was very interesting.

I don’t have all the facts though I have followed this case since it began years ago. Putting aside my personal opinion, if I am looking at this through the prism of astrology, I would have to say: guilty as charged!

The following is his chart. I have added a few pertinent asteroids: Child, Dylanyoung, Nessus, Dejanira, Karma to get more insight. Here are the results:

The asteroid CHILD falls in his 8th house (of sex.

The asteroid DylanYoung and Nessus are conjunct at 23 and 25 degrees of Aries
The asteroids Dejanira and Karma are also conjunct at 19 and 20 degrees of Sagg.

Asteroids aside, natally he has

Venus square Mars with Pluto positioned opposite Mars and Square his Venus. Power struggles all around. Manipulation, obsession. And yes potential for abuse.

Asteroids DylanYoung and Nessus are the 4th party in that grand cross formed by Venus, Mars, Pluto.

Mars in the 5th house of Children.

Your astrological thoughts?

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posted February 03, 2014 08:21 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for summerlite     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I thought NAME asteroid conjunct nessus would mean she brings abuse to him.

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posted February 03, 2014 08:47 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Orange     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Belage:
Putting aside my personal opinion, if I am looking at this through the prism of astrology, I would have to say: guilty as charged!


Well, you seem biased, because obviously you already hate his guts.

He does have the jovial Sun/Jupiter/Mercury conjunction in his house of home, which makes him a pretty good-at-heart fella, with bubbly happy-go lucky personality. His Moon is nice and warm with a trine to his Venus, no other aspects to Moon.
Saturn, however, is the ruler of his 5th house of children and it is very harsh in his chart - it squares his jovial Sun/Jupiter/Merciry conjunction from the house of marriage. Difficulties and problems with his children and spouse. People with Saturn in square to personal planets are very disciplined and hardly go against the rules. Mars in opposition to Pluto across his 5th-11th houses could be the hallmark of a victim, but Pluto-Mars can go both ways - the native either is the victim or the abuser. The people I personally know in my life with a Mars -Pluto are usually the victims.
Venus-Pluto aspect is too wide.
I am not convinced he is guilty. But im not exactly sure he is innocent, either.

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posted February 03, 2014 08:49 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for summerlite     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Karma cjt Dejanira
I think it means it's his karma to be victimized
The Nessus sq Mars and Pluto is of concern. I don't know how to read that.

some others I found

He has Sun-Proserpina exact. I would read as he has a tendency to kidnap and save maidens by giving the transformation (not sexual but he seems to adopt a lot of kids. That's giving them a new life.) needed but others would read it as kidnap and predatory nature.

He has Ophelia-Moon exact. I wonder if it means he views women to behave irrationally or he feels helpless towards women.

He also has Sedna-Priapus exact. This is the tricky bit. I don't really know how to read Sedna in a guy's chart to be the father in the story or project the "self-victimized" daughter on his daughter.


I don't think we can get the full story until you have his daughter's chart.

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posted February 03, 2014 12:50 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Belage     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I appreciate everyone's opinion as it brings more insight on this.

I too would love to see Dylan's chart.

But perhaps we should also check Mia Farrow's chart...

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posted February 03, 2014 01:01 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Belage     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
This is Mia Farrow's chart. I have included the pertinent asteroids, and I am also adding the asteroid Lie.

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posted February 03, 2014 01:04 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Great thread, Belage. Thank you!

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posted February 03, 2014 01:07 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Belage     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I am also redoing Allen's chart, this time adding the asteroid LIE

I do see that it is conjunct the asteroid Child by 4 degrees. Not exact, but close enough. So now I am revising my opinion as an astrologer. I would not vote guilty anymore.

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posted February 03, 2014 01:19 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Karma cjt Dejanira
I think it means it's his karma to be victimized

Powerful observation!

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posted February 03, 2014 01:20 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for StarlightSmileSupreme     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
His Lie conjuncts my Chiron. I don't trust him.

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posted February 03, 2014 03:07 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for summerlite     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Mia has Nessus cjt Kaali. iQ said it can mean victim in a woman's chart if there are squares. I don't know how to interpret it from here. She has Nessus sq Mercury/Pluto. (abusive in communication perhaps?) She also married several times so it's hard to tell from which marriage.

If that's her real ASC, Nessus cjt ASC comes off as abusive to people. Her Sun-Dejanira however shows more of a victim possibility.

Dylan is close to her heart (moon).

In synastry, interestingly,
her Venus cjt his Child asteroid
her Karma cjt his Saturn

I put in an asteroid for his wife SY. The Name asteroid cjts his Child asteroid.

For those who don't know, Child asteroid can mean inner child in you. So it can mean she brings out his inner child.


I suppose M's relationship with W just went downhill after Mia discovered someone else was making Woody happier. Things snowballed from there.


There are kites and grand squares in their natals. Does anyone know how to read those? Would it mean there's control when it comes to Mars-Pluto opposition?

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posted February 03, 2014 03:11 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Belage     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I had to come back and say, maybe we are not looking at it correctly. Maybe Child conjunct Lie means Allen lies about the child, not the child lies.

The chart ruler of Woody's is Mercury. He has mercury conjunct Jupiter which is nice, but still, it is in its detriment in Sagg. And it is squared by Saturn, so there will be Karma to pay when it is not used properly.

His Neptune is in his 1st house, and squares Dejanira and Karma in his 4th house. I do not see Allen as Dejanira. Dejanira are the women tucked away in his home life, away from the public's eyes. He confuses and deceives them with his Neptune.

Neptune in 1st can also gives him the ability to deceive the general public. It is interesting that transiting NEptune is approaching a conjunction to his Natal Saturn. Can we say Karma?

He has Saturn in the 7th house. People with this aspects usually marry very late, or not at all, or they marry much older partners, or they have marriages of convenience or with ulterior motive. They rarely marry for love. He married Soon Yi who was considerably younger than him, imo to give a veneer of respectability to their relationship.

So no I am still not convinced he is not guilty.

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posted February 03, 2014 03:22 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for summerlite     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Child cjt Lie is too wide.

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posted February 03, 2014 03:22 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for StarlightSmileSupreme     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I agree.

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posted February 03, 2014 03:40 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Belage     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by summerlite:
Child cjt Lie is too wide.

4 degree is too wide an orb for asteroid?

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posted February 03, 2014 04:16 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Belage     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Neptune in the first house is a very remarkable placement.

It can gives extreme compassion because there is a lack of boundaries with the outside world, but imo this is dependent on how close Neptune is to the ascendant. I do not believe Allen has exhibited extreme compassion, just by looking at his movies. I remember being very disturbed by a movie where he was portraying a gang of thugs beating up an elderly person, and it was supposed to be funny. People around me were cracking up, but as a Pisces rising, I was livid. I think the movie was "Bananas."

When Neptune in 1st house is not teaching compassion and dissolving ego fences, it is used to deceive and create illusions. Quite useful when you are an actor or singer. Woody Allen has always been physically unattractive, yet he has managed to carefully craft a sexy persona by pairing himself onscreen with attractive women. It worked so well at some point he was named one of People's sexiest men!!

Therefore, I am suspicious of the victim stance he is taking. I am very suspicious of it.

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posted February 03, 2014 04:32 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for summerlite     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Belage:
4 degree is too wide an orb for asteroid?


Yes.

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4 degree is too wide an orb for asteroid?


I do use up to 4° for conjunctions with asteroids though.
In my experience the effects are still felt, though a bit subtly.

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posted February 03, 2014 04:45 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Belage     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I use up to 4 degrees for conjunctions too. It's possible that a 4 degree orb points to a possible union but one that will not happen. In Magi astrology, an orb of 5 or greater points to a possibility that will not materialize. They call it a misleading orb.

Anyway, I noticed that the asteroid LIE is EXACTLY trine Allen's Mercury. I would deduct he is the one lying about the Child.

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posted February 03, 2014 04:48 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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I want to pick your brain about how you would think Child conjunct Lie would mean something very different from Child trine Lie. Thanks so much and great thread! I like these substantial threads!

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Saturn sq Jupiter. Bad luck and bad things happening TO him from which he learns lessons.

This may bode that he did not abuse but got set up. Does that fit for anyone?

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I would say that Deja conj Karma would make HIM the victim and go to his being framed. You have to remember in any marriage break up, it can get super dirty, so must take everything with a sense of reticence, imo

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posted February 03, 2014 04:53 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for StarlightSmileSupreme     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I think it makes him a victim of the media. I don't like it when anything is tried in the press. It victimizes everyone involved.

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posted February 03, 2014 04:54 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for swampys     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
You don't get accused for something like that for just no reason. He's still with his stepdaughter, too, which is completely disgusting.

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posted February 03, 2014 05:01 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Belage     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Belage
I want to pick your brain about how you would think Child conjunct Lie would mean something very different from Child trine Lie. Thanks so much and great thread! I like these substantial threads!


You're welcome, Ami.

I honestly cannot answer your question with great confidence. So I will just give a guess. In Allen's case, the Child conjunct Lie orb is 4 degree so perhaps this conjunction is not significant. Perhaps it is a deceiving orb. If it was a tighter orb, I could mean that the child is a liar.

Child Trine Lie would mean that it is easy for the Child to lie. Or that the Child benefits from Lie.

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