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Topic: Being hated by the same sex
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PixieJane
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posted February 21, 2014 08:05 PM
  
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Originally posted by StarlightSmileSupreme:
I have seen really nice women turn into complete ******* as soon as a man enters the room.
What was interesting to me was some Dianic Wiccans I knew actually gave that as a reason why they were female only in their circles, because it was the only way to work together. There would always be a few women who, even if they weren't interested in a man, would still change their behavior that ruined the unity of the group if a man was allowed into their space while all were present. So I guess there must be something to that. And I guess it's easier to ban men from their group than just to kick such women (and men, if necessary) out as I'd have done.
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PixieJane
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posted February 21, 2014 08:07 PM
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Originally posted by StarlightSmileSupreme:
I always had the opposite problem. Women like me and guys don't.
Do you know why? (Not just your own traits that you think might contribute to that but also your environment, that is where you work at that creates its own social rules and attracts certain kinds of people, etc). Is this also true in family? For example, were you popular with moms and aunts but your dad and uncles made you feel uncomfortable? I've never known this to happen before. Until now EVERY person who complained about being unliked by their own gender while liked by the other has been female. Sure, there are guys who get picked on by other guys but females are usually cold or even treat them with contempt just as the guys do. So I'm curious what it's like. IP: Logged |
StarlightSmileSupreme
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From: neptune
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posted February 21, 2014 08:14 PM
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Originally posted by PixieJane:
Do you know why? (Not just your own traits that you think might contribute to that but also your environment, that is where you work at that creates its own social rules and attracts certain kinds of people, etc). Is this also true in family? For example, were you popular with moms and aunts but your dad and uncles made you feel uncomfortable?I've never known this to happen before. Until now EVERY person who complained about being unliked by their own gender while liked by the other has been female. Sure, there are guys who get picked on by other guys but females are usually cold or even treat them with contempt just as the guys do. So I'm curious what it's like.
I'm a female who gets along better with other women. I was raised without a male role model so I don't have that socialization and am used to dealing with women instead of men. I guess it's a vibe I give off to people. IP: Logged |
Odette
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posted February 21, 2014 08:16 PM
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but no, I won't let you step on me
That's what I meant by: don't give off weak vibes. Although for an average or unattractive person it's not such a bad thing. Average people generally 'blend in'... so others don't seem to notice if they are a bit of a "doormat".
We tend to encourage that kind of person.. Do you know what mean?
If the ugly duckling person is not confident, then you have desire to give her a big hug and encourage her.. or at least I do.. and it feels like 'most people' do. But if a strikingly good looking/attractive person acts like a doormat -- they will get a lot of abuse thrown their way. So in particular good looking people - need to make sure that they are never too nice.. or sickeningly sweet socially. IP: Logged |
Gabby
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posted February 21, 2014 08:16 PM
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Originally posted by PixieJane:
What was interesting to me was some Dianic Wiccans I knew actually gave that as a reason why they were female only in their circles, because it was the only way to work together. There would always be a few women who, even if they weren't interested in a man, would still change their behavior that ruined the unity of the group if a man was allowed into their space while all were present. So I guess there must be something to that. And I guess it's easier to ban men from their group than just to kick such women (and men, if necessary) out as I'd have done.
Men change my energy... When I'm with a man I have more energy and feel happier...I'm not talking about sexually with a guy or even in a relationship... I can be hanging out with my brother and it has the same effect...men give me energy some women drain my energy? Maybe it's because I have such masculine dominated chart?
My only receptive planets are my virgo moon and scorpio uranus! IP: Logged |
summerlite
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posted February 21, 2014 08:28 PM
The world's doomed if men are complaining about being hated by men.IP: Logged |
Odette
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posted February 21, 2014 08:48 PM
^ I don't know.. My ex was very hateful of men.It's an odd thing astrologically.... My ex was a Libra with Scorpio influence. He had something negative to say about every single guy... literally. I have a Libra friend who is gay - who likewise has Scorpio influence (pretty similar charts)... and he only seems to have male friends. I'm one of his few female friends. He does not complain about women though... but he doesn't seem to befriend many. IP: Logged |
StarlightSmileSupreme
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From: neptune
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posted February 21, 2014 09:21 PM
I think men are very hateful of men look at wars and destruction where they send men to die.IP: Logged |
summerlite
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posted February 21, 2014 09:25 PM
Haha. It's actually typical of Libras to complain because they care so much about popularity that whenever they sense they are not popular with their own gender, they think they are being hated.But I wouldn't say your ex being "hateful of men" is the same as "thinking they are being hated by men". Hating every men when you are a man is probably due to imbalance in his masculinity based on some observations. IP: Logged |
StarlightSmileSupreme
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posted February 21, 2014 09:26 PM
My Libra friend complained and usually had something negative to say but she has Virgo Venus.IP: Logged |
clovercharm
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posted February 21, 2014 09:33 PM
I think the Scorpio ascendant, Pluto in 1st and Moon square Pluto would make your Plutonic energy very apparent to people (especially females), and this might have something to do with it. They may think you look intimidating if they don't know you very well. I have Moon conjunct Pluto in Scorpio (and at 8-9 degrees, apparently this is a powerful position for fixed signs). I also have Sun in Capricorn, so despite my Libra ascendant, some people find me intimidating at first. IP: Logged |
Barbiegirl19
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posted February 21, 2014 09:39 PM
I've never been hated it's more like extreme jealousy on their part. I have always had more male friends than girls and when girls see me a 4'10" smirfette with a pack of a guys they automatically assume I'm screwing all of them  and me being the nonchalant Libra that I am couldnt give one d@mn  IP: Logged |
hannaramaa
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posted February 21, 2014 09:41 PM
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Originally posted by lioninash:
Does anyone else have this problem? What aspects do you think contribute to it?What about you guys? Ever experience anything similar? And if so, what aspects do you think contribute to this?
People hate anything extreme. Even if you're not beautiful, people will hate you because they perceive ugly with meek and therefore the bottom of the food chain. No power. Then again, I consider myself sexy and confident and women love me, all ages, I'm welcomed. I have Moon and Venus in the 11H. My friend has Venus conj. her ASC and women hate her. She also has a Capricorn moon which means the women in her life will teach her, have some kind of karma with them. She has problems with women all her life. Whatever the case, there's always a reason. Perhaps you're not aware of the vibe you give off, or every woman you've ever met is super insecure. What's your Moon doing? IP: Logged |
Faith
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posted February 21, 2014 10:14 PM
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Originally posted by StarlightSmileSupreme:
I think men are very hateful of men look at wars and destruction where they send men to die.
^ Good point. ------------------
6H Capricorn sun, 6H Aquarius Mercury, 8H Pisces moon, Leo rising IP: Logged |
summerlite
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posted February 21, 2014 11:02 PM
Only insecure people think this is due to jealousy.------------------
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StarlightSmileSupreme
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posted February 21, 2014 11:04 PM
I have seen women lash out at other women due to jealousy yes. It's a strong motivator.
This is why I believe in rationalism. It's better to recognize it in yourself than to be so petty and out of control. IP: Logged |
Faith
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posted February 21, 2014 11:05 PM
@summerliteI disagree, sometimes people really are jealous, and the person they are jealous of may be able to tell. So then it's just a fact. @SSS Right. I've recognized it in myself, a kind of bias against beautiful women, and sometimes have to remind myself to drop it. This was more of an issue when I was younger, though; I'm pretty much over it now, having encountered so many women who are beautiful both inside and out. I don't fear them like I used to. ------------------
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StarlightSmileSupreme
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posted February 21, 2014 11:13 PM
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Originally posted by Faith:
@summerliteI disagree, sometimes people really are jealous, and the person they are jealous of may be able to tell. So then it's just a fact. @SSS Right. I've recognized it in myself, a kind of bias against beautiful women, and sometimes have to remind myself to drop it. This was more of an issue when I was younger, though; I'm pretty much over it now, having encountered so many women who are beautiful both inside and out. I don't fear them like I used to.
It's always easier to deal with people who are nice no matter what they look like.
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peachbeigeblue
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posted February 21, 2014 11:17 PM
I have BML conjunct sun and MC and have this with girls who don't really know me. I'm kinda of oblivious so other people point this out to me IP: Logged |
summerlite
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posted February 21, 2014 11:25 PM
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Originally posted by Faith:
@summerliteI disagree, sometimes people really are jealous, and the person they are jealous of may be able to tell. So then it's just a fact.
People get jealous because they are insecure.
Insecure people always think others are jealous of them. If you hang out with boys only and assume people are jealous over you, it shows you are the insecure being. That's what i'm trying to say. IP: Logged |
StarlightSmileSupreme
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posted February 21, 2014 11:26 PM
When people make up stories about a woman who is friends with more than one man it does show some jealousy and insecurity on their part this is why they choose to make up stories. They want some attention for themselves.IP: Logged |
Sandra018
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Registered: Dec 2012
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posted February 21, 2014 11:39 PM
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Originally posted by Gabby:
Yes, an annoying power struggle that totally catches you off guard because you had no intention or idea that you were antagonizing someone? You weren't! It's just Pluto doing it's thing...your energy alone is enough to make ppl feel intimidated and on guard! It's frustrating!
Then when you try to compensate by being extra nice they take that as your inferiority to them and make a big production of you being less than them....meanwhile your standing there going....Huh? When did all this happen... i didn't even realize I'd entered a battle??
Lol!!! It's fun...Not!You couldn't have said better regarding the guys wanting to break you...omg! They do try to make you out to be this wild creature that must be tamed...all we want is just let us be who we are and you won't have to tame anyone...we will come to you without a fight!
First off- fantastic thread!!
great replies..i have always been wondering why girls don't generally like me, and reading your replies I figured it out 
Its my Sun conj ASC and it Pluto as well.
Pluto oppo Sun/Mars and Venus- I come off strong, and I m being myself and they cants stand it!!
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geminigal2805
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posted February 21, 2014 11:44 PM
Sometimes i think its just me. I mean i dont enjoy ALL THAT MUCH sittin and talking about clothes,men etc. After ten minutes i look for an escape route. Women can perceive that. At the same time i think i do my share of girly things. Eg. I always help them pick a great outfit for a date,i would listen to them, i cook for my girl friends too.But i dont enjoy it as much as i do when im out with the guys watching a match or playing snooker or just out with them.I get along better
with guys. Gals do get that part of me. Nasty comments & veiled insults happen only when i get attention from guys.Maybe it is cause i dont look good in an accepted way. My looks are a bit different n they pick on it. Eg Im not fair. I have a tanned complexion. Women would make fun of it at the same time they would call me a hottie.My own sister calls me ugly right in front of me. So maybe its me. But then i do have few great gal friends who mean a lot to me.IP: Logged |
geminigal2805
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posted February 22, 2014 12:15 AM
I came back and read my posts and realised how offensive the first few lines were,maybe the rest are offensive too : (
Im not saying when women sit down to talk they discuss only clothes and men. What im saying is maybe my sign is too masculine and i dont belong with a group of women(even tho a part of me wants it) cuz my heart yearns for something to DO and behave like a guy.Arrrgh Im struggling to put it into words.
Also im sure jealousy also plays a huge part cuz men have noticed it and told me to not to them n their comments seriously. IP: Logged |
PixieJane
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posted February 22, 2014 12:17 AM
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Originally posted by StarlightSmileSupreme:
I think men are very hateful of men look at wars and destruction where they send men to die.
Obviously, that has nothing to do with anything said in this thread. A woman hated by other women but not men means there's a strong tendency for other women to ignore her at best, and often treat her coldly or worse. Yet she's still popular with the guys. This will happen in or out of the military, during peacetime and war (meanwhile, if in combat she shares the same antipathies as everyone else but that's not related to gender). In contrast, a man who is hated by other men is bullied, but unlike the woman he's not attractive to the other gender either. Females are just as likely to be cold and contemptuous of him, and that's true in the military as well. This has nothing to do with armies where men stand with men stand with men against other men. Everyone has enemies, and war is something more political than social. For it to be at all related then it would have to deal with cliques (or better yet, gangs), not gender. That is, a female goth or artist not being liked by female cheerleaders, for example, as opposed to just not getting along with females period. IP: Logged |
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