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Odette
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posted February 22, 2014 02:38 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Odette     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Yes... There's a lot of comparing of pee pee sizes amongst men and I see that trend in the build-up to many a war.
I guess this kind of constant competitiveness can breed a kind of 'hate'..

I didn't think it was off topic SSS.


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Yuuup ^^ Could totally see that turning into WW3 haha

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posted February 22, 2014 02:41 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for summerlite     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by DeepFreeze:
How do you know?
Have you met them in person? Do you know them?
Where's your PHD? You seem to know everyone here better than they know themselves.

Maybe if you stop finding excuses then you'll find answers.

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Originally posted by StarlightSmileSupreme:

Who cares if she wants attention from men? Why do you or anyone else have an issue with that? You obviously want attention right now so you of all people should understand.

Why even reply in this thread then?

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posted February 22, 2014 02:45 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for DeepFreeze     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by summerlite:
Maybe if you stop finding excuses then you'll find answers.


Ok

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posted February 22, 2014 03:08 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for StarlightSmileSupreme     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I admit I should have quoted Odette that would have saved us all a lot of trouble. I apologize for that.

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posted February 22, 2014 04:04 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for next to neptune     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I have ascendant trine pluto

Moon opposite mars and very afflicted moon in general

But moon bi-quintile venus

And it's not like girls HATE me, they just don't wan't to see me getting popular…. I don't know why, cause I'm not that pretty and I'm always sweet and kind, but I get bored easily with people… I'm not the kind of type who can just small-talk with everyone I meet for hours…there is some girls I just feel I can't even talk to, because I get the negative vibes from them!

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posted February 22, 2014 05:20 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for PixieJane     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Faith:
Then Odette responded by talking about how her ex hated men. So SSS added another remark about men hating men. There was a little "men hating men" theme for a little bit.

Okay, I can sorta see it now...maybe tomorrow after I've had some sleep it might even make sense. For now I'll just say that if war is relevant then every single person is hated by their gender, everyone must expect their own gender AT ALL TIMES to gang up on them and treat them horribly because there are always going to be at least a few who will treat you that way, and that's what's tripping me up here.

The question is "why is my own gender consistently hostile to me as soon as they see me" not "why doesn't my entire gender like me?"

Granted, you may be blithely unaware of how many people automatically dislike you and would treat you horribly if they had the chance but it's there, and sooner or later you'll run into those who'd kill you as much as look at you, even if they're forced to repress their hostility toward you. Some will want to legislate against you or kill you for all sorts of reasons without ever having met you or wanting to meet you. And that has nothing to do with "why can't I get along with my own gender" (a reasonable question if your own gender is consistently unfriendly to you) because most people can...even though there are others of their gender who automatically won't like them. And that makes the question meaningless as it then applies to every single one of us, and it should instead read "why doesn't everyone (men AND women) in the world like me?"

Using Odette's guy not liking other guys that's more like a mass murderer on a shooting spree than military guy (if using a war analogy). He hates everyone, does not stand with anyone (unless you wanna get creative and have him in an army of Amazons ).

As for me, I get along with many women therefore I don't have to wonder why women keep turning against me as soon as I walk into a room the way the OP does. But there are other women who can't stand me, sometimes they hate me on sight, some times I can grudgingly understand why, other times it's not anything personal but religious or ideology inspired hate, but it's not many (at least not to my face). Yet using the war analogy then suddenly I am one of those who can't get along with other women because of the few I can't, which is completely different from what the OP described. And then I have to wonder, who the hell thinks they're going to be liked by everyone?

I don't know, maybe it will make sense after some sleep.

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posted February 22, 2014 08:25 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Faith     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
^ I think SSS was making more of a tangential remark in keeping with the way the tangent was headed and not strictly trying to answer the OP's question. It wasn't an answer to the OP's question.

If you try and see it as an answer to that question, you arrive at those conclusions you listed.

"Hate" can mean many things, not just personal clashes, or outright war, but all the nuances of meaning in between, all of which might have evolved into a giant subtheme in this thread...but none did, except SSS's remark.

No big deal.

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posted February 22, 2014 08:32 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for nove731     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I generally tend to have a love/hate relationship with other men...and I don't mean that in the on-again-off-again sense, but pretty literally: they either seem to really like me to an almost uncomfortable degree or really hate my guts.

I sometimes wonder if it's a gay thing where some straight men seem to instinctively hate gays and/or some gay men just seem to be "catty" (for lack of a better word) toward anyone they're not interested in/jealous of/whatever, but I'm not really sure...Hmmm, further research required.

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posted February 22, 2014 08:40 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for LoVeLy     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by NeptunianSag:
I have Lilith conjunct asc, mars square asc. I think I'm hated by both sexes...

Hmmm I think a bad moon Pluto aspect could cause hate by women?


True but do you know why?

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posted February 22, 2014 08:41 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for florence     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
i reckon it goes back to survival because if a man left his family that could be life-threatening - in the past but even now too on a different scale.

i've noticed if you don't befriend a dominant female figure she'll attack and men pick up on this and join in - especially the weakest so in the past i think it would have been an ostracism designed to raise the value of a family against an outsider.

on that basis i reckon attractiveness does raise an alert amongst women but it's actually standing apart which is the root issue. so, i;ve known attractive women who are able to bond with other women escape that kind of treatment.

i think it is moon afflictions because personally having a moon afflicted i never had that girly bond with my mother and so don't think i transitioned into having that easily with other women. will always feel an outsider and sometimes cultivate that.

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posted February 22, 2014 01:39 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for libraschoice77     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Oh I can so relate to alot of whats being said in this thread lol. Have had the same problem all my life with other women jealous or disliking me, and don't know why since I am not sexy or really beautiful. Sometimes I just want to ask whats wrong with me, why are you like this towards me?? Most of my friends in college were male. If I went to a party the banter always went well with the guys, but as soon as I was around a bunch of other women I was often ignored and talked over. The only female friend I had then was a Sag girl and she had the same problem as I did with women being weird towards her.

Still have that problem today, and now that I am married naturally my Leo doesn't want me friends with just a bunch of guys, and since I have no women friends I am fine with not having any friends at all.

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posted February 22, 2014 01:48 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by lioninash:
@faith i know not EVERY female hates me.. Definitely a good portion though. And i am a very open, loving person, thats why i dont get why im hated. I believe that as women, we should stick together! We should love and support each other, not insult and belittle each other. Thats why this whole thing bothers me so much that i actually made a post about it :/

I have noticed something with woman. If you are an attractive woman but humble and caring about others, women won't hate you. If they feel you are all about me, they will.
I am not talking to you, per se. It just something I have noticed that women do.

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posted February 22, 2014 02:57 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for fauxcoat     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
When I was a kid, I had a lot of female friends. I wasn't popular but I didn't feel hate from females. In fact, the exact opposite. It is now that I am older that I feel the hate from females.

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posted February 22, 2014 03:43 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for lioninash     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Woooaaah. I went out last night and i didnt keep up with this post but uhhh yeah it looks like youre all fighting with each other lol. I dont get why the topic of war was introduced into this post.. People that fight each other in wars are doing that because its their orders, not because they just hate the other side. And some of you are confused about this topic. This was about receiving intense negative reactions from females (or males, if you are a male) without doing anything wrong to them.
Ill give an example.
I went out to the bar last night with my friend (a woman). After being there for about an hour, i went to the bathroom and as i was washing my hands this girl comes stumbling in, makes the bathroom door fly open and i look up into the mirror in front of me and she is staring at me with this b*tchy look on her face and says "welllll.. look. at. you. You ARE pretty, huh?" and she said it in such a demeaning way. I was nice to her anyways, and said thank you then complimented her on her shoes. She then gave me a smirk and said "yeah... Thanks." then proceeded to check herself out in the mirror. Like wth! She gave me a poor attitude for no reason whatsoever. I never even met her before in my life. This is what im talking about.

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posted February 22, 2014 03:50 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for hannaramaa     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
"I dont get why the topic of war was introduced into this post.. People that fight each other in wars are doing that because its their orders, not because they just hate the other side."

Most political leaders who declare war are men. So..it's men sending men out to war, to fight with other men, who are risking their lives.

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posted February 22, 2014 03:57 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for lioninash     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
yes but there are reasons behind wars. maybe its for economical gain, maybe its to help another country be free from oppression. there's a million different reasons for war, but it never just boils down to 2 countries going to war because the leaders just don't like each other. if that was the case, every country would probably be at war right now. its not like a leader goes "yeah i really hate that guy, and he has perfect hair which really ****** me off so lets go to war." it just doesn't happen like that.
once again, this post was about receiving negative emotions from the same sex repetitively, not about receiving negative emotions because the person doesn't like you for obvious reasons.

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posted February 22, 2014 04:07 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for StarlightSmileSupreme     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by lioninash:
yes but there are reasons behind wars. maybe its for economical gain, maybe its to help another country be free from oppression. there's a million different reasons for war, but it never just boils down to 2 countries going to war because the leaders just don't like each other. if that was the case, every country would probably be at war right now. its not like a leader goes "yeah i really hate that guy, and he has perfect hair which really ****** me off so lets go to war." it just doesn't happen like that.
once again, this post was about receiving negative emotions from the same sex repetitively, not about receiving negative emotions because the person doesn't like you for obvious reasons.


Then why continually bring that post up if it if is off topic? How many posts so far have been about that one??? Who's keeping count? Move on.

I am not really sure what the point of this thread is anyway lol.

Everyone on earth is a pain-in-the-you-know-what from time to time and everyone's gotta deal with it. Aint nobody perfect anyway. So?

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posted February 22, 2014 04:37 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for lioninash     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
because its annoying. i posted on this site for feedback, and to see if anyone has the same problems and what aspects could contribute to it. and everyone just goes off topic. so annoying like if youre gonna talk about something completely different then just make a new topic about it. damn.

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posted February 22, 2014 04:38 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for lioninash     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
well, not everyone went off topic. a huge thank you to the people that actually contributed to what i intentionally posted this for. its greatly appreciated <3.

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posted February 22, 2014 04:56 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for StarlightSmileSupreme     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by lioninash:
because its annoying. i posted on this site for feedback, and to see if anyone has the same problems and what aspects could contribute to it. and everyone just goes off topic. so annoying like if youre gonna talk about something completely different then just make a new topic about it. damn.

Actually no. This thread was more on topic than usual. Now we have something like ten posts talking about it being off topic and people commenting on others who have stated so which is totally and entirely off topic.
If you were specific in your title, like, "women who are hated by other women," for example then I doubt there would be any posts about men.

I guess what you really wanted was for women to get on here and start complaining about other women and since not everyone did that (and you didn't state in you o p that is what you wanted anyway) you are saying posts are off topic because people have stated astrological reasons then you just continued to state examples from your own life that are not astrological and you don't seem that impressed.

You should also understand everyone has to put up with disrespectful people from time to time, not just you.

Are you wondering about what transits might trigger women being rude since you brought up last night in particular? Look for transits to natal moon and Venus, particularly conjunctions, oppositions or squares. Also look and see if you are ruled by either of these.
I take it you are a solar Leo which means sun is strong in your chart. Sun rules ego and men in general so you might feel more comfortable with them than you would women unless one of the feminine planets are strong.

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posted February 22, 2014 05:25 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for lioninash     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
@sss i didn't post this to hear other women complaining about woman. I just wanted to see if anyone else struggled with the same things i do. And i only posted examples to show what i meant for this post. I didnt mean to come off rude, so im sorry if i did to you or anyone else. This is just something thats followed me through out my life, and im just looking for reasons why and if it could be seen in astrology. And thank you for the information about transits. I will definitely look into that.

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Boys either scared of me or are all over me...
I can see the uncomfortable look in their eyes and they usually down around me or try and ignore me..
The other day during this rain storm this seemingly attractive confident guy was uncomfortable as per usual.
I told him it's crazy outside.. and gave the typical no eye contact and after we ran outside together we were laughing and than became uncomfortable again -___-
idk it would be nice to be acknowledged sometimes.... but whatever I kinda enjoy the anti-attention now.

But I noticed I get more respect from men around 30ish and older. They are genuinely nice to me and see me.
Thou my cousins husband always use to awkwardly point out my looks and tease me but he was very much like a boy but he's kinda chill now I think he's like 50 though..

I have mars sextile saturn.
So maybe that can attribute respect from men.

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posted February 22, 2014 09:07 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for PixieJane     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Faith:
No big deal.

True enough. I did go off on my own tangent but at least to me it was obvious how it applied to what was said and at least nominally related to the thread as a whole...but she went so far off topic as to be blazing new trails as far as I could tell that I found myself rereading the entire thread twice to figure it out and feeling lost, which is frustrating because I try to understand what I read. I guess I was trying too hard.

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posted February 22, 2014 09:07 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for PixieJane     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by lioninash:
@sss i didn't post this to hear other women complaining about woman. I just wanted to see if anyone else struggled with the same things i do. And i only posted examples to show what i meant for this post. I didnt mean to come off rude, so im sorry if i did to you or anyone else. This is just something thats followed me through out my life, and im just looking for reasons why and if it could be seen in astrology

I don't know anyone real well who has that problem (I'm not counting those women who obviously have an attitude problem to other women who naturally get their contempt returned). It might not be astrological, especially if you're stuck to about the same town (reps have a way of getting ruined, even when undeserved, and following the person for the rest of their lives), or are in your teens (or even early 20s in some places) where the "gender police" are much more prevalent. As I say I did have a lot of problems getting along with girls growing up but once I was an adult (and had moved over a thousand miles away) I no longer had that problem. I've dealt with hostility from absurd women just as bad as school girls (typically raging insecurities on their part who assumed I was going to steal her guy or even just draw his eye) but it's become the exception to the rule (especially after I stopped going to bars where such women were likely to be in backstabbing cliques of frenemies much like school).

As a kid I'd say all my placements that made me something of an uninhibited (not to be confused with promiscuous) tomboy contributed to a lot of it, but may not have in other countries or even other parts of the USA (I'm thinking culturally but then even cities and nations have their own astrological placements that might make a difference) where such traits would not have been considered as threatening to my peers and adults. I also think that both guilt (such as a cheater) and insecurity (always feeling judged) play a lot into why many people look for others to judge and treat poorly which is much more common among the young (though some never outgrow it), which also helps explain why I had to put up with it more when I was younger.

If you're in your early 20s then I'd say there's hope that this won't keep happening (unless you're in a small town with a long memory and live there for the rest of your days) and that it's only more intense now because of competition for jobs as well as men. In short they're trying to vote you off the island before turning on someone else until they no longer feel the heat of competition for money & men and when the economy improves, you're married, etc, then it won't be you they focus on.

If that guess can't apply then I can only speculate (saturn & uranus square venus & moon?) because I don't know anyone who was treated like that outside those circumstances without an obvious reason.

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I have awesome relationships with women..
(Moon conjunct venus)
They don't find me as a threat obviously but they just really appreciate me.

But I think girls should know some of their boyfriends probably secretly fantasize about me gathering from the way they look at me.. You'd be surprised.
That's something they would not expect so I guess that's why I'm not a threat.

but again I'm just the taboo curiosity and they will ultimately marry the guy that fooled with a boy.
That does not bother me, it really amuses me.

I'd rather be the inhibited experience than the mundane, everyday.
Hmm I think only one girl has ever hated me..
That's cause I stole her mans heart lmfao.

I still don't know how that's my fault.. I'm not really a threat.

Funny with BML conjunct dsc Opp venus
I should be a proffesional homewrecker
but I would feel bad because I like a lot of women I get to know anyways lol.

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