posted March 17, 2014 01:15 AM            

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Originally posted by Mystic_Cat:

I change the Sun sign and leave the rest as they seem to be accurate but i could be mistaken but is what is recommended. ... Making a 13sign Tropical chart is the next logical step, the aspects would remain the same, the 13th house would be Pisces, Sagittarius would be the 10th and Ophiuchus the 9th, i'm not sure how the axis works.

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I would think all the planets would change though since it wouldn't make sense to only have Ophiuchus Sun signs... Think about the Pluto in Sag generation.. Pluto in Scorpio will tear down the old structures but Pluto in Sag will be the ones who really establish new ones, Ophiuchus would show the shift..

Eta: @arcturiann, Pisces relies on "blind faith" (Christianity, believing in charts without really understanding them beyond symbolism...) I don't think it's arrogant or ignorant to say it's possible to expand our viewpoints since there's actually a lot more to understand. That's one of the things that drives me crazy about astrology even though I definitely believe there's truth in it, but is it just seems like hitting a brick wall... I want to understand more than just how lines and symbols effect our lives.. And I don't think there's "only one" right system, same with all beliefs and religions...

posted March 17, 2014 01:21 AM            

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Originally posted by Mystic_Cat:
Why does it matter that that is how tropical astrology works? All that matters is there are signs and people that are not fully compensated for in the tropical zodiac, thus it needs to be updated, I;e progressing onto a new chart, that covers all recent changes in astrology and humanity.

I take it you are born under Pisces? I don't understand why every single person born under Pisces starts explaing how tropical astrology works, i don't care how tropical astrology works i'm trying to get across that it does not cover every part of astrology in humanity! And that we can progress and develop better systems, if you are a Pisces you should take in that Neptune does rule delusion, beliefs, spirituality, illusion and the past and Uranus rules genius, inventions, the future and freedom

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Sorry. You can't just call people "piscean" to make up for your own personal ignorance. And of course you don't care what tropical astrology is, you're ignorant. All you care about is pretending to be some kind of spiritual leader and delusions of grandeur where you think you're reforming the old astrological system that you don't even understand. And you are "compensated for", you are a sagittarius, and true to one as you are zealous and ignorant to beliefs apart from your own.

posted March 17, 2014 01:54 AM            

You think you are being original, but the truth is every other week there's one of you dopes who don't even understand the basics or foundations of astrology and want to come in and change things to your own personal ideas after taking a hit of acid, and then insult people who see through your BS to the reality of an egotistical teenager who thinks they are creative and original, but really are delusional and on a bipolar manic up-swing. [QUOTE]

posted March 17, 2014 01:55 AM            

I'm saying Piscean because you are born under Pisces! The same as i'm born under Aquarius!

posted March 17, 2014 02:02 AM            

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Originally posted by FireMoon:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Mystic_Cat:
[b] And you are "compensated for", you are a sagittarius, and true to one as you are zealous and ignorant to beliefs apart from your own. \

You think you are being original, but the truth is every other week there's one of you dopes who don't even understand the basics or foundations of astrology and want to come in and change things to your own personal ideas after taking a hit of acid, and then insult people who see through your BS to the reality of an egotistical teenager who thinks they are creative and original, but really are delusional and on a bipolar manic up-swing. [QUOTE]

And why are you so hostile about this? That's a lot more egotistical and dogmatic than a "typical" Sag not willing to listen to anyone's beliefs other than their own...[/B]

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Haha - I'm not meaning to come across that way - My Jupiter is conjunct Pluto on the ascendant in Scorpio squared by Mars in Leo/Regulus in the Ninth, so i do come across as to strongly pushing my own beliefs but is not the meaning it comes from - My Sun/Mercury are in Ophiuchus in the first house conjunct Kaali/Antares, my Saturns in Pisces in the Third - Nord node conjunct Atlantis exact in the 12th.

posted March 17, 2014 02:11 AM            

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Originally posted by arcturiann:
Sorry. You can't just call people "piscean" to make up for your own personal ignorance. And of course you don't care what tropical astrology is, you're ignorant. All you care about is pretending to be some kind of spiritual leader and delusions of grandeur where you think you're reforming the old astrological system that you don't even understand. And you are "compensated for", you are a sagittarius, and true to one as you are zealous and ignorant to beliefs apart from your own.

You think you are being original, but the truth is every other week there's one of you dopes who don't even understand the basics or foundations of astrology and want to come in and change things to your own personal ideas after taking a hit of acid, and then insult people who see through your BS to the reality of an egotistical teenager who thinks they are creative and original, but really are delusional and on a bipolar manic up-swing.

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posted March 17, 2014 02:12 AM            

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Originally posted by Mystic_Cat:
I have absolutely no idea what you're talking about!

I'm saying Piscean because you are born under Pisces! The same as i'm born under Aquarius!

Where are you gettin these idea's that you're saying about me, all i'm doing is expressing my knowledge that the Aquarian generation needs to start developing astrology for ourselves and hoping that the elder Pisces generation will see this, but it seems to be the exact opposite as you are sticking to your old views and beliefs and actually coming back at me with insults etc instead of trying to understand what i'm saying, do you even see the facts in it? Thats because you're Regulus is in Leo and you're Antares is in Scorpio,(Strong Pride and Defence) where as Aquarians Regulus is in Virgo and Antares is in Ophiuchus. (Strong service and understanding)

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Piscean age? Do you know what year I was born in? You're the only one here sticking to your own views, you straight up told me that you don't care about tropical astrology or what it is, so clearly you wont even make attempts to understand something because you want to feel cool in thinking that youre using some revolutionary new system that you don't even understand. What do you do, meditate on the stars at night and ask them to tell you what **** means? No, you look up old texts and beliefs and base your opinions on those.

posted March 17, 2014 02:15 AM            

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Mystic_Cat:
[b] Lol I'm not trying to be like that - My Jupiter is conjunct Pluto on the ascendant in Scorpio squared by Mars in Leo/Regulus in the Ninth, so i do come across as a zealot but it's only the way i express and not the meaning it comes from as my Sun/Mercury are in Ophiuchus in the first house conjunct Kaali/Antares and my Saturns in Pisces in the Third - Nord node conjunct Atlantis exact in the 12th.

I just disagree with most Pisces views on life as they sit back on culture and tradition, getting high on Neptune and beliefs where as Aquarius progress's and develops humanity itself for the benefit of society and life on Earth basis on reality - while they are both equal there is a reason Aquarius is the next step from Pisces, to advance humanity. [QUOTE]

posted March 17, 2014 02:18 AM            

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Originally posted by FireMoon:
Lol I'm not trying to be like that - My Jupiter is conjunct Pluto on the ascendant in Scorpio squared by Mars in Leo/Regulus in the Ninth, so i do come across as a zealot but it's only the way i express and not the meaning it comes from as my Sun/Mercury are in Ophiuchus in the first house conjunct Kaali/Antares and my Saturns in Pisces in the Third - Nord node conjunct Atlantis exact in the 12th.

I just disagree with most Pisces views on life as they sit back on culture and tradition, getting high on Neptune and beliefs where as Aquarius progress's and develops humanity itself for the benefit of society and life on Earth basis on reality - while they are both equal there is a reason Aquarius is the next step from Pisces, to advance humanity. [QUOTE]

No sorry that comment was directed at arcturiann... My phone really doesn't want me writing in this thread lol so many issues with quoting and posting.. And yes I definitely agree, I do think there will be scientific validation of astrology, and even ideologically it just doesn't make sense to not consider the facts and look at the whole picture... Which is why I was asking why Ophicius stopped being considered if it was an original sign?[/B]

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posted March 17, 2014 02:24 AM            

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Originally posted by arcturiann:
Piscean age? Do you know what year I was born in? You're the only one here sticking to your own views, you straight up told me that you don't care about tropical astrology or what it is, so clearly you wont even make attempts to understand something because you want to feel cool in thinking that youre using some revolutionary new system that you don't even understand. What do you do, meditate on the stars at night and ask them to tell you what **** means? No, you look up old texts and beliefs and base your opinions on those.

Also, Regulus didn't enter virgo until the end of 2011, so unless you're a very intelligent and gifted 3 year old you're full of **** .

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Alright if you're around my age then then explain why you think the other constellations sitting on the ecliptic that also have a direct impact on Humanity can't be put into an astrological system? Ptolemy created the 12 sign calender, 4 seasons etc as the beginning of the age of Pisces when Christ was apparently born etc, either Ophiuchus wasn't in the ecliptic or Ptolemy purposely left it out to create masculine power, either way Ophiuchus is now in the ecliptic and has a strong influence in humanity in the Aquarian age, more so than Scorpio. The fact that the tropical zodiac is the basis for astrology doesn't mean can't create a ******* better zodiac now we're 2000 years ahead in time and can actually see the stars through a telescope, Ptolemys system could only be that way because they had no technology and wern't able to develop a system any other way, why would we fall back on a system that was created 2000 years ago when we can quite easily make a more advanced one.

posted March 17, 2014 02:26 AM            

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Originally posted by FireMoon:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by FireMoon:
[b] [QUOTE]Originally posted by Mystic_Cat:
[b] Lol I'm not trying to be like that - My Jupiter is conjunct Pluto on the ascendant in Scorpio squared by Mars in Leo/Regulus in the Ninth, so i do come across as a zealot but it's only the way i express and not the meaning it comes from as my Sun/Mercury are in Ophiuchus in the first house conjunct Kaali/Antares and my Saturns in Pisces in the Third - Nord node conjunct Atlantis exact in the 12th.

I just disagree with most Pisces views on life as they sit back on culture and tradition, getting high on Neptune and beliefs where as Aquarius progress's and develops humanity itself for the benefit of society and life on Earth basis on reality - while they are both equal there is a reason Aquarius is the next step from Pisces, to advance humanity. [QUOTE]

No sorry that comment was directed at arcturiann... My phone really doesn't want me writing in this thread lol so many issues with quoting and posting.. And yes I definitely agree, I do think there will be scientific validation of astrology, and even ideologically it just doesn't make sense to not consider the facts and look at the whole picture... Which is why I was asking why Ophicius stopped being considered if it was an original sign?[/B]

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Don't worry about it, clearly this mystic cat guy doesn't know his sh*t because he is full of it, he just claimed to have been born while regulus was in virgo which could have been at latest december 2011, which would barely even make him 3 years old if that were true. If you want to know WHY i'm so hostile about this stuff its because a$$holes like this go around and confuse people when they act like they're experts and have stumbled on the "next big thing" to hit astrology. You know, its one thing to talk about and experiment with different ideas, im all up for that, but its another thing to go around and try to discredit tried and true systems using flawed logic. Asking questions, experimenting, having an open mind is all great, but please don't go around acting like a spiritual guru passing out false information and confusing people who are just learning... and then insulting everyone who challenges you claiming they are delusional and "piscean", which further insults piscean people who are some of the most advanced and evolved souls there are.

posted March 17, 2014 02:28 AM            

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Originally posted by arcturiann:
Don't worry about it, clearly this mystic cat guy doesn't know his sh*t because he is full of it, he just claimed to have been born while regulus was in virgo which could have been at latest december 2011, which would barely even make him 3 years old if that were true. If you want to know WHY i'm so hostile about this stuff its because a$$holes like this go around and confuse people when they act like they're experts and have stumbled on the "next big thing" to hit astrology. You know, its one thing to talk about and experiment with different ideas, im all up for that, but its another thing to go around and try to discredit tried and true systems using flawed logic. Asking questions, experimenting, having an open mind is all great, but please don't go around acting like a spiritual guru passing out false information and confusing people who are just learning... and then insulting everyone who challenges you claiming they are delusional and "piscean", which further insults piscean people who are some of the most advanced and evolved souls there are.

I'm all about learning new systems, just not from idiots. I come from a scientific background and if I was closed minded I definitely wouldn't be studying astrology or metaphysics to begin with. I'm very saturnian but i'm not as old as this fool insinuates either.

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posted March 17, 2014 02:38 AM            

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Originally posted by Mystic_Cat:
Buddy you're ******* annoying me you're not even explaing **** you're just throwing Nessus all over the place.

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Yeah, because I already tried to explain **** to you and you know what you did? You told me that you didn't care and that it didn't matter. So why would I waste my time and write an essays worth of information with cited sources just so some narcissistic ******* can skim over it and tell me it doesn't matter because of their own circular logic and semantics?

posted March 17, 2014 02:40 AM            

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Originally posted by Mystic_Cat:
I don't really know, i think it was either not a part of the big picture in the age of Pisces and sexual power (Scorpio) was a prime aspect which is the reason Women had no rights for most of it or that Ptolemy purposely left it out of the tropical as he created the 12 sign calenders, 4 seasons, 12 signs to sort of create masculine power, as Ophiuchus is the sign of the Male that respects the female, haha

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Lol well damn wouldn't that be nice! It's funny how mostly women are interested in astrology and a lot of it centers around relationship problems and men who won't comit or whatever the issue is... But if you pay attention even on LL I think that's starting to change... More straight guys are becoming interested in astrology and questions about relationships too. And I think I see what you mean about the 12 signs if everything is symmetrical there's always going to be a power struggle between the opposite sides. But 13 would make it more of a free for all and power wouldn't be centralized the same way...

posted March 17, 2014 02:41 AM            

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Originally posted by Mystic_Cat:
Throwing away worked systems? What are you talking about you're just not talking to me directly and are pretty much bypassing every single ******* thing i'm saying haha. I'm sharing knowledge that needs to be learnt and developed so people are aware of this current gap in astrology. The current professional astrologers and astronomers are all in the Piscean generation and are barely aware of the updates happening in the system, or they are and choose not to make in public. Either way the tropical system to be used as the main zodiac with people criticizing any attempts to make a movement on a new one are taken down and Ophiuchus is given no place in astrology, to leave out signs that have an effect on the human species the same as every other is idiotic and ignorant. A book i read about Ophiuchus that was written by another person who had come onto this forums to get Ophiuchus known of had the exact same reaction haha.

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posted March 17, 2014 02:47 AM            

"Ophiuchus is one of thirteen constellations that cross the ecliptic.[20] It has therefore been called the '13th sign of the zodiac'. However, this confuses sign with constellation.
The signs of the zodiac are a twelve-fold division of the ecliptic, so that each sign spans 30° of celestial longitude, approximately the distance the Sun travels in a month, and (in the Western tradition) are aligned with the seasons so that the March equinox falls on the boundary between Pisces and Aries.
Constellations, on the other hand, are unequal in size and are based on the positions of the stars. The constellations of the zodiac have only a loose association with the signs of the zodiac, and do not in general coincide with them. In Western astrology the constellation of Aquarius, for example, largely corresponds to the sign of Pisces. Similarly, the constellation of Ophiuchus occupies most of the sign of Sagittarius. The differences are due to the fact that the time of year that the sun passes through a particular zodiac constellation's position has slowly changed over the centuries from when the Greeks and Babylonians originally developed the Zodiac.[21][22] This phenomenon is due to the Earth's axial precession."

posted March 17, 2014 02:48 AM            

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Originally posted by arcturiann:
Yeah, because I already tried to explain **** to you and you know what you did? You told me that you didn't care and that it didn't matter. So why would I waste my time and write an essays worth of information with cited sources just so some narcissistic ******* can skim over it and tell me it doesn't matter because of their own circular logic and semantics?

And there you go trying to use astrology to create insults when you've never even seen my chart, honestly I think if this is how you use astrology then you have no business studying it. You want to use astrology to exalt yourself to a place above others using planetary and fixed star placements as your justification, while trying to disregard others by making baseless attacks on them based off of their ******* fixed star signs? I only insulted you as a sagittarian because of your use of your offensive and derogatory use of the word "piscean", but you seriously need to get your head together if you think that's how astrology works buddy. Its an offensive and perverse manipulation of what should be a sacred study that you've turned into some egotistical fanatical bullshittery.

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