posted March 17, 2014 03:24 PM            

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Originally posted by Mystic_Cat:

From my perception in life, right now, if you're deep enough to understand that, i am trying to share what i know to be correct astrologically to help the astrological society develop, as Serpentarius is a real sign. It has been released officialy ON THE NEWS which means the current professional astrologers are also aware of this change that is currently happening.

Now you, seem to be some idiotic moron who's viewing what i'm doing from the complete wrong perspective, doing everything you can to make me look wrong, when all i'm doing is spreading facts. Have you understood anything i'm talking about? Has anyone that is disregarding what i'm saying actually understood it? From where i am sitting it doesn't look like it.

Arturian you're obviously just jealous of my good look's

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WELL. If you were doing it right then you wouldn't be coming off as a zealot now would you? I know where you're coming from because I've worked with a lot of people with mental illness so I do understand.

posted March 17, 2014 03:33 PM            

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Originally posted by arcturiann:

WELL. If you were doing it right then you wouldn't be coming off as a zealot now would you? I know where you're coming from because I've worked with a lot of people with mental illness so I do understand.

Also, I am a female and I have no interest in little boys who think justin beiber is the second coming (LOL, WAS THAT SH*T FORREAL??)

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It's coming across as a Zealot because you're viewing it from the perspective of a Sagittarius and not Serpentarius which must be doing the complete wrong thing, plus you have no ******* idea who i am so what are you talking about being a zealot this is all factual knowledge not truths and beliefs haha!

posted March 17, 2014 03:40 PM            

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Originally posted by Mystic_Cat:
[b]Then someone comes along and tells me Ophiuchus is a Scorpio/Sag influence, did i not just clearly explain that it's not? I am influenced by both aswell as the traits that are individual to Ophiuchus.

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You say it isn't. I say it is. Now what?

They are not individual to Ophwhatever. They are just taking bits of both signs. Early Sags / late Scorpios will / can have those traits, particularly those with Scorpio rising or vice versa. Again, bringing nothing new.

I'm a Sag with Scorpio influence. Nothing you say will make me an Ophwhatever. If you want to be that, then go for you. And I find it insulting that you tell me what sign I regardless of everything you've posted.

You still haven't said why we would squish Scorpio down to 6 days.

I'll put it bluntly you are wrong.

posted March 17, 2014 03:41 PM            

All i've been doing is helping out on this forums with my view on astrology and you're having a ******* hissy fit about it!

Most of what you're saying has absolutely no factual value and is a load of over exaggerated and delusional insults.

posted March 17, 2014 03:41 PM            

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Originally posted by Mystic_Cat:
- You say ROFL.

You're like one of those little small terriers that never back down and really **** everyone off because they never stop barking

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posted March 17, 2014 03:50 PM            

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Originally posted by LucieLemonade:
You say it isn't. I say it is. Now what?

They are not individual to Ophwhatever. They are just taking bits of both signs. Early Sags / late Scorpios will / can have those traits, particularly those with Scorpio rising or vice versa. Again, bringing nothing new.

I'm a Sag with Scorpio influence. Nothing you say will make me an Ophwhatever. If you want to be that, then go for you. And I find it insulting that you tell me what sign I regardless of everything you've posted.

You still haven't said why we would squish Scorpio down to 6 days.

I'll put it bluntly you are wrong.

'Round we go.

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No Scorpio isn't squished into 6 days in the tropical, but in the terms of how large the constellations are across the ecliptic, Ophiuchus is larger than both Scorpio and Sagittarius, Scorpio has a tiny area and in terms of how it effects humanity it is far smaller than that of Ophiuchus, but the tropical does still work and i've already said i don't know how it ties together and astrologers are still tryin to figure it out ..

Ok, well Serpentarius is the Bum/Sacral Plexus joined onto the thighs and Sagittarius is the thighs alone. If you want to choose one then is slightly inaccurate in any depth then you can, but i am saying that Serpentarius is a real sign at the early degree's of Sagittarius and if you understand that and research it yourself you would probably see that aswell.

posted March 17, 2014 03:50 PM            

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Originally posted by LucieLemonade:
You say it isn't. I say it is. Now what?

They are not individual to Ophwhatever. They are just taking bits of both signs. Early Sags / late Scorpios will / can have those traits, particularly those with Scorpio rising or vice versa. Again, bringing nothing new.

I'm a Sag with Scorpio influence. Nothing you say will make me an Ophwhatever. If you want to be that, then go for you. And I find it insulting that you tell me what sign I regardless of everything you've posted.

You still haven't said why we would squish Scorpio down to 6 days.

I'll put it bluntly you are wrong.

'Round we go.

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No Scorpio isn't squished into 6 days in the tropical, but in the terms of how large the constellations are across the ecliptic, Ophiuchus is larger than both Scorpio and Sagittarius, Scorpio has a tiny area and in terms of how it effects humanity it is far smaller than that of Ophiuchus, but the tropical does still work and i've already said i don't know how it ties together and astrologers are still tryin to figure it out ..

Ok, well Serpentarius is the Bum/Sacral Plexus joined onto the thighs and Sagittarius is the thighs alone. If you want to choose one then is slightly inaccurate in any depth then you can, but i am saying that Serpentarius is a real sign at the early degree's of Sagittarius and if you understand that and research it yourself you would probably see that aswell.

posted March 17, 2014 03:54 PM            

If i come across as being an egotistical wanting to be something special etc that's probably because i have a first house stellium with Jupiter conjunct Pluto on the ascendant in Scorpio conjunct a first house Mercury connecting to a first house Sun-Eros/Kali/Antares with Mars conjunct Regulus in Leo in the 9th house.

I don't want to be sitting here arguing when obviously no one is trying to understand my point of view.
In reality, Serpentarius is a sign in the human Dna or astrological spirit, whatever you want to call it, so regardless of the fact that the tropical only covers the 12 signs through the seasons erc, the fact that Serpentarius is a sign that is not being included is the problem i am discussing, which is the reason it has been released in the news etc to change the Sun dates to the 13 Sun sign dates.

posted March 17, 2014 03:56 PM            

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Originally posted by Mystic_Cat:

No Scorpio isn't squished into 6 days in the tropical, but in the terms of how large the constellations are across the ecliptic, Ophiuchus is larger than both Scorpio and Sagittarius, Scorpio has a tiny area and in terms of how it effects humanity it is far smaller than that of Ophiuchus, but the tropical does still work and i've already said i don't know how it ties together and astrologers are still tryin to figure it out ..

Ok, well Serpentarius is the Bum/Sacral Plexus joined onto the thighs and Sagittarius is the thighs alone. If you want to choose one then is slightly inaccurate in any depth then you can, but i am saying that Serpentarius is a real sign at the early degree's of Sagittarius and if you understand that and research it yourself you would probably see that aswell.

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I have researched it because if it were added then I'd be one as well. I'm sorry. I just don't see it bringing anything more. In fact, as I've said before you're just combining the two Sag/Scorpio energies. That's my opinion.

posted March 17, 2014 04:06 PM            

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Originally posted by LucieLemonade:
I have researched it because if it were added then I'd be one as well. I'm sorry. I just don't see it bringing anything more. In fact, as I've said before you're just combining the two Sag/Scorpio energies. That's my opinion.

And see if you speak more normally and with less of the crazy, it's easier to have a normal discussion.

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Ok that makes sense. But are you thinking about it physically? Scorpio is the genitals, then you go to the next step, Ophiuchus is your ass and sacral plexus, THEN Sagittarius, is your thighs. Astrology is really based through the physical. Ophiuchus is your ass, and therefor physically it has a place the same and if not more important than the rest.

Then look at the constellation of Aquarius on the previous page, the towel is covering Scorpio, and purposely showing Ophiuchus, realizing that, and that they are both ruled by Uranus - put those together and you should be able to see it in those terms. Ophiuchus is intertwined with the Aquarian age deeply. Ophiuchus is one hundred percent not Sagittarius and Scorpio i don't understand how you are still saying saying that... the way i am saying "understand" is Ophiuchus. It is like saying Cancer is just Gemini and Leo.
Ophiuchus is a sign of it's own, wether or not it is actually classed as an official sign in natal astrology, in terms of how it effects the human being physically, psycologically and spiritually, it is the exact same as the others.

The reason that Ophiuchus isn't being changed in the first place, is because of this reason, every single Ophiuchus has been told eternally that they are a Sagittarius Scorpio hybrid, which is just dismissing the Ophiuchus sign in its self. Because there are vast differences in Serpentarius to the other two, the first being physically they are ruled by a different body part, which is what separates the signs in the first place.

posted March 17, 2014 04:15 PM            

The one main point that needs to be seen is that Serpentarius/Ophiuchus is in humanity, different from Scorpio and Sagittarius.
So from that equation, the tropical chart isn't fully compensating for the full astrology picture.

posted March 17, 2014 04:21 PM            

Though i do understand that Scorpio and Sagittarius does make Ophiuchus look like a hybrid, it shouldn't be that way because it doesn't fully fit into those categories and has it's own persona on earth individual to itself...

The Tropical chart was created for the age of Pisces alone in my belief, it does not compensate for the changes that have moved us into the Aquarian age.

One of the main points of this is that Scorpio was a primary sign in the Pisces age, which is why male power and sexual dominance/Women having no rights was such an agenda.

posted March 17, 2014 05:54 PM            

We would have to look at all Sags / Scorpios born in that time with no influence of the other in the charts.

Again, I personally do not see myself as Ophiuchus because I see the Scorpio and the Sag parts of me. You maybe do as well.

So, my guess is you'll have to continue your research with others that fit the description above. Sag/Scorp in the date range without Sag/Scorp asc and low Sag/Scorp influences. Of course that won't be easy either because I think we have lots of influences from other placements/aspects/houses, etc.

And... um, not... not ruled by my a$$.... LOL.

posted March 17, 2014 10:31 PM            

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Originally posted by LucieLemonade:
I still don't see it like this. Because people who are born on my same birthday different times and different years do not have the same Scorpio influence that you and I have. They are just Sags with influences from the rest of their chart.

We would have to look at all Sags / Scorpios born in that time with no influence of the other in the charts.

Again, I personally do not see myself as Ophiuchus because I see the Scorpio and the Sag parts of me. You maybe do as well.

So, my guess is you'll have to continue your research with others that fit the description above. Sag/Scorp in the date range without Sag/Scorp asc and low Sag/Scorp influences. Of course that won't be easy either because I think we have lots of influences from other placements/aspects/houses, etc.

And... um, not... not ruled by my a$$.... LOL.

Another question: What house would Ophiuchus rule?

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Not really, you can just go deep into the being to see what's what, Do you not find it easy to differentiate the planets within you?

I'm finding to difficult to tell wether, Ophiuchus is a sign within itself, or a constellation that has come and joined on to Sagittarius, shrinking the effect of Scorpio.
I known i am primarily ruled by the Ophiuchus constellation, as are you, but it's difficult to tell wether in terms of Signs that it is Ophiuchus or Sagittarius that we would fall under.

The signs are degree's don't really exist, it's all ******** invented by the Romans that has created a patriarch society. All the months, seasons, days and years are created under what the Romans did, and the Romans were not good people.

I'm hoping we start to advance some of these things ourselves in the Aquarian age to bring some change in.

Ophiuchus doesn't have a house, it has been given absolutely no place in astrology when it is one of the most important signs. In terms of astrologically physically the Ass/Sacral Plexus is what enables harmony and peace in humanity.

As anyone under 25 is really the first Aquarian generation, these things, or just anything in general won't start changing until we do it ourselves, so it's just the matter of time.

I've already spent a very long time studying Ophiuchus in humanity and am very aware of the place it has, it is completely different to that of Sagittarius and Scorpio, they are 3 different body parts and 3 different astrological, spiritual, and psychological persona's.

posted March 17, 2014 10:42 PM            

I can't think of any other word but idiotic and blinded in life for that.

posted March 17, 2014 10:56 PM            

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Originally posted by LeeLoo2014:
So Serpentarius is actually the symbol for Kundalini rising.

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posted March 18, 2014 12:07 AM            

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Originally posted by Mystic_Cat:
In all ******* reality - we are all people on the other ends of our laptops each trying to get the other to understand things through a complete different perspective that is failing miserably.

If i come across as being an egotistical wanting to be something special etc that's probably because i have a first house stellium with Jupiter conjunct Pluto on the ascendant in Scorpio conjunct a first house Mercury connecting to a first house Sun-Eros/Kali/Antares with Mars conjunct Regulus in Leo in the 9th house.

I don't want to be sitting here arguing when obviously no one is trying to understand my point of view.
In reality, Serpentarius is a sign in the human Dna or astrological spirit, whatever you want to call it, so regardless of the fact that the tropical only covers the 12 signs through the seasons erc, the fact that Serpentarius is a sign that is not being included is the problem i am discussing, which is the reason it has been released in the news etc to change the Sun dates to the 13 Sun sign dates.

If you're denying that Serpentarius is actually a real sign then you obviously havn't spent enough time researching and delving into the subject because i have studied both my self and other people INTENSELY.

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posted March 18, 2014 02:58 PM            

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Originally posted by FireMoon:
Why only the Sun signs though?

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Well according to Parke Kunkle only the Sun is large enough to pass through Ophiuchus and be currently given a sign under it (Or they havn't created a 13 sign tropical yet - we'll see in time ) because we are still using the natal, for the Sun signs it is the Natal positions with Serpentarius also pushed in to create the the accuracy of signs - I think for the next age.