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Dancing Maenad
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posted October 15, 2014 02:36 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Dancing Maenad     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I was wondering if anyone would like to share insights/experiences about this. I am especially interested in the practical side of things, not the theoretical - are you or do you know anyone who is water void?

The man I am currently seeing lacks water completely. He is not insensitive or out of touch with his emotions. I think he might be the overcompensating type. He has a lot of Earth though, so he tries to overcome his inner desert by finding practical solutions to emotional matters. His only angle in water is his DC, so he does need the energy in his relationships, but I was wondering what exactly does it feel like, for a water void person?

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posted October 15, 2014 03:03 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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posted October 15, 2014 03:33 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
They lack the empathy of a high water person, in my opinion and experience.

They seem to have an emotional kind of ADD, too, in that they do not seem to pick up emotional cues well and this extends to subtle humor.

This is called subtext, as the technical word.

I know I am going to get flak for saying this, but I am always honest.

I could not be close to a water void, in any relationship, other than casual.

That is my opinion. Opinions are like noses. We all have one and they, often, have a few holes lol

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posted October 15, 2014 03:37 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Dancing Maenad     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Some people overcompensate what they lack. I think that is the case with my unaspected Venus. I guess we're both freaks like that. You have one too, no? We seem to become obsessed with searching for what we lack.

It doesn't feel like he lacks empathy, but whether he actually feels it or he learned it is expected of him in certain situations, it's hard to tell. He is neither insensitive or unemotional.. Very weird, I was surprised to see no water.

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posted October 15, 2014 03:50 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for aquaguy91     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
This is just my opinion on the matter. I think a Water Void can be a blessing because we don't have all the inner emotional turmoil that people with heavy water placements have so we are free to be the crying shoulder. I have noticed that water people can be so caught up in their own emotions that they just can't deal with your emotions. That's just been my experience.

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posted October 15, 2014 03:54 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Dancing Maenad     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
YOU are water void?? I didn't know that.

I am low on water myself (only 1 water planet).

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posted October 15, 2014 03:55 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for aquaguy91     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Dancing Maenad:
YOU are water void?? I didn't know that.

I am low on water myself (only 1 water planet).


Well I have pluto in scorpio. That's it.

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posted October 15, 2014 03:57 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Dancing Maenad     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Well, same here (Saturn in Scorpio), but I was talking about NO water whatsoever. I think a water singleton allows you to feel quite a bit, they tend to be pretty strong and can take over the chart if they're allowed. But no water?! Zilch? What is THAT like?!

Apparently a bunch of poets and musicians have it. Overcompensation.

I find it fascinating.

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posted October 15, 2014 04:04 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for aquaguy91     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Dancing Maenad:
Well, same here (Saturn in Scorpio), but I was talking about NO water whatsoever. I think a water singleton allows you to feel quite a bit, they tend to be pretty strong and can take over the chart if they're allowed. But no water?! Zilch? What is THAT like?!

Apparently a bunch of poets and musicians have it. Overcompensation.

I find it fascinating.



Well tbh i'm not sure if having 1 generational planet in an element is really a big deal. It might be different if it was a personal planet.

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posted October 15, 2014 04:06 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Dancing Maenad     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by aquaguy91:

Well tbh i'm not sure if having 1 generational planet in an element is really a big deal. It might be different if it was a personal planet.

IMO singletons are a big deal. They are powerhouses. Even if they're generational (they still affect us at a personal level).

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posted October 15, 2014 04:13 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Dancing Maenad     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The Absent Function

The Absent Function happens when there are no planets in an element, modality or orientation. When there are no planets in an element, there is a hidden grand trine; and when there are no planets in a modality, there is a hidden grand square. Both grand trines and grand squares, obvious or “hidden,” are closed systems. The person lives in his own self-created world and is inaccessible to others along the lines of the element or modality that is involved. He tends unconsciously to block out relationships in the area of the major configurations. For example, a grand trine in fire, either present of hidden, can bring great luck and taken-for-granted skill in areas of creativity and visionary intuition. As a closed system, other people cannot hook into the person’s dramatic and passionate world. It is a place within his psyche where he is complete within himself and does not need relationships. In this area, at least, he is self-fulfilled. The difference between the grand trine and the hidden grand trine is this: the first expresses with a natural easiness and grace, with nonchalance, while the absent grand trine comes up with urgency, intensity and passion. For example, Beethoven had no water; his music is intense and soul wrenching in its passion; Liszt had a grand trine in water and his music flows with ease, feeling and romance.

The grand square, when present in aspects between planets in the four signs of the same modality, tends to manifest as great energy and stability. People who found organizations or movements, like Mao Tsetung and J. Donald Walters (Kriyananda), have grand squares. Their downfall may come through their inability to receive or accept input from others that seems to contradict or criticize their ideas or ideologies. A hidden grand square, for example, Mick Jagger’s hidden cardinal square, often is overcompensated. Although Jagger has no planets in cardinal signs, he nonetheless seems to be a perpetual motion machine.

The absent function manifests psychologically most often in two ways. It is a source of great creativity, and it tends to be so in terms of overcompensation. A person with a missing element or modality is likely to be an overachiever in terms of the element or modality. He may be rather obsessed, driven to do something creative with it. The other response is to let the absent function become the source of the shadow, that repressed part of the self that is a source of great annoyance when it is encountered in other people. For example, a man with no water signs occupied may find himself inordinately offended or upset by emotional, sentimental weeping people, especially women or ethnic minorities whose culture permits much more emotional expressiveness than his mainstream standards allow. Bill Clinton has no water sign planets, yet he has a Singleton Moon in Taurus. Many Americans like him because he has “soul” and “rhythm”- two water element qualities. They feel he identifies with them with great sensitivity and compassion. Pain enduring and pain inflicting are also associated with the water element. We as a nation have had a year of pain and passion as a result of the Clinton soap opera.

The absent function tends to be all on or completely shut down. There is an extremist quality about it. Among the famous people with no fire are the flamboyant actors, Rudolph Valentino and John Berrymore. Writers and intellectuals like William F. Buckley and Oliver Wendel Holms often have no air in their charts. No water shows up in the charts of poets and composers. Water/emotion tends to be repressed in Western culture and the lack of it may show up as a tendency toward cruelty due to lack of awareness of another’s feelings, and combined with denial and projection, one may blame one’s own pain on others, then inflict it on them. Hitler had no Water. A lack of earth can produce a millionaire like J. Paul Getty, as well as substance abusers like Judy Garland and Dylan Thomas. Missing earth also gives a tendency towards abstraction. The charts of great modern astrologers, Marc Edmund Jones, Dane Rudhyar and Robert Hand are waterless.

When the absent function appears on the Ascendant or the Midheaven, the persona, personal or public tends to overcompensate; it is all façade. Often it is a case of false advertising: what you see is not what you get when you take the package home and unwrap it! Marilyn Monroe, with her Taurus Midheaven, is a good example. The public image she projected was the sex goddess. Inside she was air and water, all ideas, thoughts and emotions, with no way of “grounding” herself. In my own practice, I have noticed people with a missing function represented by the Ascendant sign to be very frustrated and uneasy. They may identify totally with the Ascendant personality and feel hollow inside, or feel that they have to put out a lot of energy to keep up the false front and, therefore, can never completely express who they really are.

When dealing with a chart that has missing functions, it is important to look at the progressed planets and the outer planet transits. For example, a person with no air may have a progressed Sun in an air sign,
at the same time outer planets may be transiting another air sign. That would be a time for the person to really use his or her hidden talents and experiment with communication, writing, speaking, relationships and group involvements. It is important also to look at the person’s relationships, especially family relationships that we do not consciously choose. For example, a woman with no fire was born into a family with a double Sagittarius (Sun and Moon) father, a double Leo (Sun and Moon) sister and a mother with an Aries Moon as part of a grand fire trine! She had to learn very early to overcompensate along dramatic, creative lines just to survive in that volatile household. Bill Clinton, with no water, has a water sign daughter (Pisces) and wife (Scorpio Sun and Pisces Moon). That is a case, perhaps, of “let Jane do it,” of projecting his own unexpressed emotional qualities on female family members.

We see again, as we did with Singleton planets, that missing functions correlate with uniqueness, talent, color and drama in the personalities and lives of the charts’ owners.

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posted October 15, 2014 04:14 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for 12th_House_Gal     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I am water void (minus Pluto & Saturn in Scorpio - but those are less personal). I'm all Fire/Earth/Air. I attract water types like a moth to a flame. I don't seek them out (at least consciously) but man do they love me! I help GROUND their water, they help "mush" my Earth, mist my intellectual air, and help cool my firey nature.

I have a lot of Leo, so I am DRAMATIC when it comes to feeling things. Oh the drama!!!

I like to keep things spontaneous, lighthearted and fun, I don't do serious emotional things well. Do I feel emotions with intensity? Oh yes. When I feel it, I feel it HARD. I feel to the point where sometimes a water person has to bring me back, like "Hey you it's just a feeling it's ok, it will pass!". Almost like I don't know HOW to feel at times. Also I want to know if what I am feeling is right or wrong. The moment someone tells me "I dont know why you feel that way", I flip on analyzing things and then hate on myself for feeling "wrong". Like tell me how I should be feeling then! Water types feel first. I think first or even do first. I feel later, after I've talked about it & analyzed it to death.

Now my Cancer husband (with Moon conj ascendant) his moods are way too much. Our whole house is at the mercy of his moods, which gets INCREDIBLY annoying. He's in a bad mood, oh hell it's over. We're all going to be in a bad mood. He doesn't want go somewhere? Everyone there is going to know. He can be a pain in the tookas, but he is so good for me. He can't hide his emotions which is something I find very watery people can't do. They just ARE their emotions at times, if they are feeling something, everyone knows it. At least in my experience.

HIGHLY watery people, ehhh I can't do those relationships. So you could say I am the opposite of Ami Anne. If you have TOO much water I just can't handle you, and probably will not like hanging with you much (although I will appreciate you and love you for who you are). To me, those people come across as if they are at the mercy of their emotions, and they know emotion so much they play chess with them. I don't like that. It appears to me that there is little to no practicality in their lives, and I love being practical. Non-practical thinking for practical matters bothers me. Most really watery people I know personally have paired up with an Earthy type.

Now the funny thing is, my son has a massive Pisces stellium with a Scorpio Ascendant. He's like a mega pisces, with all the intensity that Scorpio Asc provides. He is HARD to handle. I have had a hard time with him from the get-go, because he doesn't make sense to me half the time. He has taught me a lot about myself. It's like I birthed all that water and emotional intensity I didn't have.

My water "houses" are full. I have a stellium in 12, a lot going on in 4 and a lot going on in 8. I bring practicality, impulsivity, and intellect to these areas of life. I rationalize them but warm them up and try to make them practical. However watery concepts are 10 times harder for me to grasp. Watery planets are highly aspected in my chart, the Moon and Neptune being two of them. I tend to analyze emotions, I try to make logic out of matters of the heart. Often my OWN emotions are hard for me to understand, because I am trying to understand emotion which is intended to just be felt. I am not cold, distant, or unfeeling. I have too much Leo for that, I warm it all up. I just don't know how to makes sense of what I feel. I have to TALK about emotions to understand them (Gemini Moon).

I don't know if any of that helped! I overtype and ramble... Hopefully it did!

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posted October 15, 2014 04:15 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for 12th_House_Gal     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Well now that I typed that all out I see you really meant what you said, NO water. So my Pluto/Saturn would not count. At least my personal planets may give some perspective though Sorry about that!

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posted October 15, 2014 04:16 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
One water planet is not a true void. It is low water.

I think the Unaspected venus is a whole other can of worms, DM.

With that, one needs to learn the lessons of love as a kind of strong pursuit.

An elemental void is a lack of an element, which is very different imo

I am a true earth void, so can speak to that.

Earth and all it's practical details are very hard for me.

I have to force myself to organize etc.

It is a true LACK. That is how I see the Voids, anyway,

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posted October 15, 2014 04:28 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Dancing Maenad     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by 12th_House_Gal:
Well now that I typed that all out I see you really meant what you said, NO water. So my Pluto/Saturn would not count. At least my personal planets may give some perspective though Sorry about that!

Haha, no, you helped! I loved reading your story and thank you for sharing it! I am low on water myself, but I sadly don't have water houses activated (except for Chiron in the 4th), so I can't lean on that to help me. I don't relate very well with people who are heavy on water either, I appreciate them from a distance but yeah, I find they are slaves to their emotions and eventually we need to get a grip to move on. My aunt is a Pisces with Cancer Moon and she can get overly emotional and manipulative a lot, plus very clingy which I dislike. But I do love her to pieces regardless.

What I was wondering was indeed different. I have no idea how these people function. Like I said, I am low on water too, but I don't lack it, I can, if I must, extract something out of it and use it, it is accessible to me. I also have water angles (MC and DC) and that also helps. I find it amazing how they overcompensate something they don't have. It's probably the progressions, like Eleanor Buckwalter says.

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posted October 15, 2014 04:33 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Dancing Maenad     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
One water planet is not a true void. It is low water.

I think the Unaspected venus is a whole other can of worms, DM.

With that, one needs to learn the lessons of love as a kind of strong pursuit.

An elemental void is a lack of an element, which is very different imo

I am a true earth void, so can speak to that.

Earth and all it's practical details are very hard for me.

I have to force myself to organize etc.

It is a true LACK. That is how I see the Voids, anyway,


One lacks aspects, the other lacks an element or modality - I see resemblance between them even if you don't.

I think we seek some form of balance, if we have too little of something we become obsessed with it, we crave it, it becomes the central theme in our lives. Whether we rely on other people to fill the void (aspect our Venus or interact with their water or have them put planets in our water houses) OR we somehow manage to fill the void ourselves (HOW? that is what I am wondering!) I think it's remarkable.


I think voids, unaspected planets, even singletons, they all are hidden gifts - or horrible burdens. But they are pretty special.

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posted October 15, 2014 04:37 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The difference I have seen with the water voids is that they do not see the lack of water in themselves.

I see the lack of earth and the fire void seems to see the lack of fire but the water void does not seem to SEE it.

The Air Void would be second on this list, in terms of not seeing it imo

This is just my experience with the Voids.

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posted October 15, 2014 04:43 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for theunknown     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
One water planet is not a true void. It is low water.

I think the Unaspected venus is a whole other can of worms, DM.

With that, one needs to learn the lessons of love as a kind of strong pursuit.

An elemental void is a lack of an element, which is very different imo

I am a true earth void, so can speak to that.

Earth and all it's practical details are very hard for me.

I have to force myself to organize etc.

It is a true LACK. That is how I see the Voids, anyway,



well, then no one in the Scorpio Pluto generation really lack water then?

I personally think that if Neptune or pluto are heavily aspected in one's chart, the person pick up emotional cues pretty quickly.

However, the distinction here is how the water influences play in one's life. A person with high water is highly influenced by his/her moods. Things can intuitively affect them while someone with heavy pluto might just pick these up as observations of external events and not become internally affected.

A high water person also has higher needs to talk things out, to discuss feelings, to connect emotionally and spiritually (all the piscean, scorpio, cancer qualities).

A person with low water or void won't have these needs. They might need mental stimulation (air) or stability (earth).

But I really doubt that low water people miss emotional cues. They rather dismiss emotional cues as not important while the high water person is left to feel dismissed and ignored, and thus think that the low water person misses the cues.

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Ami, do you have any progresed planets in Earth? Did you feel more organized when the progressed Moon was in Earth signs?

The man I am seeing has prog Sun in Pisces and his prog Moon at the very last degree of Scorpio - so I think this is why he doesn't feel like he lacks it, at all. His prog Mercury is in Pisces. His Venus will go into Pisces in a few years too. I think it made a lot of difference in his case.

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Yes DM

I have Progressed Mercury in earth and it may make a difference in the mental realm but not the physical.

I can not SEE broken pans. I have one pan I use for heating water for coffee.

It's handle broke off a long time ago. Someone who is super into details came over and could not believe I use that pan.

I don't see it until someone tells me.

I had the tag on the sofa for months before this same person clipped it off

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You make good points, theunknown!

His Moon is a Fixed singleton, so it becomes important. His Neptune is on an angle, again pretty important. He has Pluto in his first house.


I can see what Ami was saying too, about them being unaware of their lack, especially with water because it is more unconscious than the rest. He does miss *some* emotional cues, but not all. But he thinks they ARE important..

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My only water is Uranus and North Node if that works for you.
Oh wait, my MC is water.

Well anyway... I'll answer still if you want.

So I'm not VOID.... void. But close!

Pullen does say that I'm even though.

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Yes DM

I have Progressed Mercury in earth and it may make a difference in the mental realm but not the physical.

I can not SEE broken pans. I have one pan I use for heating water for coffee.

It's handle broke off a long time ago. Someone who is super into details came over and could not believe I use that pan.

I don't see it until someone tells me.

I had the tag on the sofa for months before this same person clipped it off


Lol. Apparently Earth voids are good with money though. I don't know how they manage to become the epitome of what they lack, I just want to understand.

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I only have Pluto in Scorpio and Pisces as my MC.

I'm balanced emotionally but I do lack empathy a lot of times. I have to have been through the exoereince first before I will understand why you feel like you do, otherwise its natural for me to dismiss problems with a common sense approach.

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Originally posted by DeepFreeze:
My only water is Uranus and North Node if that works for you.
Oh wait, my MC is water.

Well anyway... I'll answer still if you want.

So I'm not VOID.... void. But close!

Pullen does say that I'm even though.


Do if you must. If the Leo must roar. I kid. I do want to know about the void-voids, I know plenty of low-voids. I am low on Water, Air AND Earth. 1 planet in each, but I am no void of anything. I understand the low element psychology, what I'm really interested in is how people who completely LACK an element of modality can become such masters at expressing it - sometimes MORE than people who are heavy in that element/modality. Don't you find it strange?

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